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Posted: 01-Apr-2010, 06:31 PM
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I do not know that they "will" only that the idea of "our manifest destiny" which we used steam roll those that got in our way as the country grew, is not dead. I did not say it "would" happen, but that it could. If things get really tough, I would not trust the D's or the R's to NOT move on either Canada or Mexico. Your quote/stormiel is only a small portion of a post to Camac.
Both your country and Mexico have vast reserves of untapped resources. Many of ours are tapped out Look at what just took place with oil drilling in the gulf and off shore in the Atlantic. No one would have believed this could take place 18 months ago. This happened because of the economy. It flies against the core of obama's support and if he would do that to his own party, I would advise that you not trust him. I would further not trust "any" president that may be in the future at this time either. Remember obama's "Buy American" slogan. Most
Americans considered buying Canadian products the same as supporting America. but that hurt Canadian sales and obama never rescinded the statement.
My experience with government is that it will always act to preserve it's self. Not necessarily in the interests of it's citizens or it's neighbors. I suspect bush was less likely to engage in any activity that would be detrimental to either you or Mexico than is the case with obama and I base that on his policy reversals re: war, oil drilling and etc.
If you want more information on "Manifest Destiny" a goggle search will provide more information than you would care to read. Looking at what this administration has done in ignoring the will of the majority of Americans so far, you should be very concerned about what it will do in dealing with non Americans.
As for Politics Live Online, You would have first come here under the bush administration I assume. I was here under that administration too and the only difference I see is who is feeling pressured today. The conservatives felt they endured nasty attacks then and liberals feel they do now. I went back to different time frames to see what was happening at each point. You & American liberals have been treated no worse than others were back then. Most here have held your government and social systems to be off limits though we did not agree with the Canadian opinion as to how ours should be run. I will readily challenge and attack "ideas" and expect mine to be treated the same. The people here, are in my opinion, "off limits" re: attacks If you want to review posts, you will find that all do not feel that way. This forum has the warning, "Enter at your own risk." It is admittedly not for everyone. I hope this provides you with enough information to understand a bit more about our government and what you might expect of it. I believe you will find most Americans will stand with you against our government not "against you."
Slàinte,
Patch
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| oldraven |
Posted: 01-Apr-2010, 06:52 PM
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You are officially the .... GAH! bloody (damn TOS violation) enemy. The blatant fact that we shamelessly supply your nation with so very much of our resources isn't enough, now you feel that if we say no you have the right to take it? That's a militant empire, man. Make no mistakes. The US was NOT founded on that philosophy, and you're lying to yourself if you believe it was.
We are a SOVEREIGN nation. End of story. Stay in your sandbox and we'll play good neighbours. If you think our military might is a joke, just try and step over the border and see how fast millions of able bodied citizens take up arms for their country against you. We have no sizeable military now, because most Canadians don't think there's any real reason to take up arms. The United States COULDN'T annex Canada if they tried, knowing the reality of the Commonwealth, and most of Europe, who have their own debts to cash in on that front, and I'm sure I'm not the only person in this world who would really enjoy seeing some humility on Uncle Sam's face for once. You would fail, and you would be occupied, just like some other Militant superpower we all remember from back in the day. And the saddest part is, you don't even see that right now, your too-proud nation is teetering on the bloody BRINK! Just turn on the news to see how much the citizens are just waiting to go into complete revolt.... against itself. You've got enough problems without making enemies of your friends.
Try and you will DEFINITELY fail! The US would be the laughing stock of the planet for a century.
Patch, you are an extremist, and I'm not trying to score points here! Saying that brings me no pleasure. From here on, I don't know you, and don't wish to.
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Posted: 01-Apr-2010, 06:58 PM
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I might be in my late sixties but I still remember which end of a rifle the bullets come out. I will stand shoulder to shoulder with any one on the border to stop them if it came to that. BRAVO MY FRIEND BRAVO.
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| oldraven |
Posted: 01-Apr-2010, 07:04 PM
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I left this forum because of all the topics I commented on in this community, it was only these that left me angry and depressed. Maybe you should step out for a bit. My time here since has been wholly pleasant, up until this moment.
I'm not a violent man, but I'm not a pacifist. If you, personally, stepped across our border with the intent to take the Nation, I would shoot you cold myself, and not feel a moments remorse. We're no cowards. Just not eager to kill.
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Posted: 01-Apr-2010, 07:24 PM
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| QUOTE (oldraven @ 01-Apr-2010, 08:04 PM) | I left this forum because of all the topics I commented on in this community, it was only these that left me angry and depressed. Maybe you should step out for a bit. My time here since has been wholly pleasant, up until this moment.
I'm not a violent man, but I'm not a pacifist. If you, personally, stepped across our border with the intent to take the Nation, I would shoot you cold myself, and not feel a moments remorse. We're no cowards. Just not eager to kill. |
In reply, if Canada ever tried to step across our border, many of my cousins, and good friends, would become my sworn enemies. I love Canada but Canada is Canada, and the USA is the USA. Nova Scotia is in my blood but I am and AMERICAN first and formost.
I too am disgusted with this forum. I post a tidbit or two here or there but for the most part I just look and laugh at the bias from BOTH sides.
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| oldraven |
Posted: 01-Apr-2010, 07:38 PM
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Nova Scotian, the good thing for you, then, is Canadians have no interest in crossing your border in that capacity. I've never met a Canadian who ever once spoke of invading the US. I've met a LOT who have spoken about keeping the US out, though.
I have heard a sad number of Americans say, thought jokingly, that they could 'take Canada so easy, if we wanted to'. Today is the first time I've heard one say that they did, or would.
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Posted: 01-Apr-2010, 08:16 PM
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Oh, I'm positive this is something that would never happen, in any of our lifetimes. I simply can't abide anyone who thinks they could ever justify it, though.
As far as politicians doing such a thing to preserve their government, it's just as you say, CSM. Any US government would know it was complete political suicide to try, therefore it won't happen, and he's just bringing up the scenario because he's FORKING (thanks Dogshirt  ) lost his mind completely. I can respect a differing opinion, and welcome it. This all just crosses my line.
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Posted: 01-Apr-2010, 08:17 PM
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Where did I state "I" would cross your border to take over. It seems that you are reading things into the post that are not there. I feel you have been treated poorly in the area of trade by our present administration and rumor has it that it could get worse. I would hope not but the pressure from unions which now have a strangle hold on this administration may result in protectionism. A bad idea with friendly trading partners. What countries would be hurt I do not know but do not be shocked if it happens. I have no intention of invading your country but as I said, I can not offer the same assurances for our government.
Look it up if you are actually interested, we justified our treatment of the native people and others by our government's belief in "Our manifest destiny" It was also the belief we used when we unsuccessfully attempted to invade Canada in the 1800"s. IE: it was our destiny to control this land from shore to shore in spite of who may have preceded us.
We Americans appreciate the resources that you supply and gladly pay the going price for them. The Americans I associate with prefer to support Canada over the middle east, China, Russia and Hugo Chavez.
You are now repeating the same things I have tried to tell all of you for a long time. I pointed out what could happen and between the economy and this administration, I would not want to assure anyone of anything at this point in time
You have missed the point, "I" will not try to invade Canada, thus "I" will not fail. It is what governments might do that you should concern yourself about.
I will continue to post and if you do not agree, say so or ignore me. My feelings will not be hurt.
As I previously said, this forum is about the same as it has always been, at least since I first posted and as far back as I have checked. I do not believe that the Politics online forum was ever intended to be a Sunday picnic. Politics and Religion have always been two "hot button" subjects and always will be.
I will heed your wishes.
Slàinte,
Patch
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| oldraven |
Posted: 01-Apr-2010, 09:04 PM
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Ok. So you are then trying to say that your current administration is capable of annexing Canada for its resources, but the last one wasn't? And if this government was impeached, the next wouldn't be just as capable? What's your point? What's your goal, with this threat? Is this before or after they turn the entire US into a Socialist Republic? Has the big bad black man started growing his horns yet? Get a grip is right.
You are saying the US of the past, the one you ally yourself with (and you can't deny that), is perfectly capable of justifying taking over Canada for its resources. So which is it, Patch? Do you want to see this old US come back, the one capable of committing those atrocities, or are you distancing yourself from the old US' 'Manifest Destiny'? Is the Obama government about to fall back into the old ways of the US history, or is it leaving it behind? I find it hard to see what you're getting at here. Unless, of course, you're just some old troll who likes to cause a controversy. Come on, man. You opened the can of worms. I'm the left, most of the time (politics in Canada isn't so ridiculously polar that we can't see the errors of those we voted for last time), and this is a moment where if we were to meet face to face, it may have already turned violent. That's the Canadian in me, not the 'lefty' or 'liberal'.
Politics and Religion are far different. You never hear nasty talk like this in the grove, or any other religious threads on this site. It gets truly ugly in here, and if things ever got this hot elsewhere in the community, it would be shut down, and those involved would either be warned or booted.
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