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Athalay 
Posted: 30-Oct-2006, 01:46 AM
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Im looking for pictures about medieval weapons and armors. I made a chain armor but i heard about that was a variant which was opened at the front (like jackets). Do you know everything about it?

The another theme is weapons. Im fencing with one-and-half handed sword (longsword) and there is some good pictures of them:

http://www.albion-swords.com/

Which is your favorite weapon/armor? What do you know about it? Write down, discuss it... enjoy the Medieval Age smile.gif


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Athalay 
Posted: 08-Nov-2006, 12:45 AM
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Do you know? The first steel armor was the chain armor. The crusaders use it in Jerusalem and in the VIII - XIII. Centrury. It was made little rings (the most simple form is 4 to 1 - It means one ring connect in 4 ring). It was very strong and it defense against the cut and puncture (but not perfectly agains the puncture). It was a big error: the crush. The chain armor haevy, but felexibile. If you get a big crush usually broken some bones or die in inner hurt.

So it started to get up armor coat which was abaout 1-3 centimeter thick textil under the armor. It defence against the crush but was very hot.

The plate armor started to favorite araound XIV. century. In this time the steel was good enought to forge exellent steeel plates to armors. About one generation (Maybe 40-60 years) the chain armor went out the fashion and the plate begin the main armor type. Until the XVI-XVII it has good defense but with te handgun it cant competation so it went out. From this time the soldiers wont wearing any armor exept helmet (until XX century).

If I remember anything aaout this i will write down, and if you get any question: dont hesitate smile.gif
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Posted: 15-Nov-2006, 05:14 PM
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Nobody reply it? Nobody has questions?
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Posted: 15-Nov-2006, 09:57 PM
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I can agree with chain maile being heavy and hot. I've tried it but the temperature of the local Ren faires always manage to get into the high 80's/low 90's when I show up. One web site i visited suggest using PVC pipe to make the rings. It's lighter, less expencsive, and can be painted to look like the real thing. I have even heard of it being use for several movies. So looking forward to my kilt coming in so I can catch a little breeze. I've since had to adapt to a more rougish garb (shirt,doublet,etc). I'm still foil fencing at this point but my classes kept interfering with fencing practice. I'll probably end up favoring the rapier. Here is a site of a rennie friend of mine. Good site with lots of info.
http://www.sirclistro.com


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Posted: 15-Nov-2006, 10:01 PM
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You might also want to check out the links page at
www.renaissancemagazine.org

You'll find a few amour and sword merchants there. Check out Museum replicas also
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Posted: 17-Nov-2006, 01:38 PM
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From PVC?? No... i have to say no. I made my own chain armor (abaout 16.000 circle in, and the weight is only 12 kg {abaout 25 pounds} and its comfortable). I cant make it from PVC... the swords that we use can destroy easily the pvc. Dont forget: the steel dosn't cut the steel: so if you use it to make really useful, you might to made by steel:).

I dont like the films: they are usually far away from the real armors, swords, culturals and persons. I dont understand why they dont ask only one museologist... or a knight.
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Hi Athalay and Roberto.

I just wanted to say I just received my first claymore 17th century battle ready and I am in awe. I bought it from a place called Armour Class Swords out of Scotland. Here is there site. Really very well made and they are wonderful to deal with. I would love to have one of those targes also..

htpp://www.armourclass.co.uk

Does anyone else collect swords?

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Posted: 14-Dec-2006, 08:16 PM
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Nice site. I wouldn't mind one of those targes either. I have a couple of swords-mostly decorative stuff for the ren faires. The only one I can do any fighting with is my fencing foil but I'm hoping to get into rapiers later on. Trying to learn to do it right and that's not easy with the lack of teachers up here.
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Thank you. I am really pleased with them. Aren't those targes beautiful?

Roberto, you mean to tell me there isn't a sword instructor on every corner..."just kidding" I think its a great art-


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Posted: 14-Jan-2007, 01:05 AM
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Here is a picture of part of my sword I just purchased. It is a 18th century sword. The handle is made of yew wood. It is all handmade. This sword took me 18 weeks to get and it was so worth the wait. It is 55 inches long battle ready "sharpe" It's the most beautiful sword I have ever seen


The name claymore is thought to be from claidheamh mor- a Gaelic term meaning "big sword" ha they got that right. However another theory suggests it comes from "claidheamh da lamh"' literally two-handed sword.. Claidheamh is ultimately conate with Latin gladius.


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The two handed claymore was a large word used in the medieval period. It was used in the constant clan warfare and border fights with the English from circa 1300 to 1700. The last known battle in which it is considered to have been used in a significant number is Battle of Killiecrankie in 1689.
It was somewhat smaller than other two handed swords of the era,, and was widely feared because its lightness may if faster in combat than its European counterparts. It was also and effective disarming weapon because of the design on the cross guard, which allowed for maneuvering the weapon in such a was that it could wrench an opponent’s sword free. The two-handed claymore seems to be an off shoot of Early Scottish medieval swords which had developed a distinctive style of a cross-hilt with down-sloping arms that ended in spatulate swellings. Claymores often had a ricasso to allow half-sword usage.

The average claymore ran about 55 inches in over all length with a 13 inch grip, 42 inch blade and weight approx 5.5 lbs. Fairly uniform in style the sword was set with a wheel pommel often capped by a crescent shaped nut and a guard, with a straight, down sloping arms ending in quarter foils and languets running down the center of the blade from the guard.

Another common style of two handed claymore (though lesser known today” was the “clamshell hilted” claymore.
It had a cross guard that consisted of two downward curving arms and two large, round concave plates that protected the fore grip. It was so named the Basket-Hilted Claymore The second later, sword to be designated “claymore” was a much shorter, one handed basket- hilted broadsword popular with Scottish troops from the 18th century onwards, even seeing combat on beaches of Normandy during World War II. The basket was designed to protect the hand in combat. The Scottish basket hilt sword was distinguished from others by the velvet liner inside the basket (often red) and also sometimes by additional decorative tassels on the hilt of pommel. This latter from of “claymore” (unrelated to the first) can be seen in some forms of highland traditional dance as well as on the dress uniforms of British Army regiments drawn from the region. A Claymore was carried in World War II by Lt. Col. Jack Churchill
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Posted: 28-Jan-2007, 02:16 AM
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Sorry for my question but how many centimeter is one inch? 2,5?
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Posted: 28-Jan-2007, 01:15 PM
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Hi Athalay No apologizes.. Think your pretty close..I think it's 2.55...

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Posted: 09-Mar-2007, 07:28 PM
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I heard something that caught my attention. The Celts went into battle totally naked as the leather and such would go into the injury and cause infection. I just thought I'd pass that along. lol wink.gif
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My targe (home-made):

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My dirk (also home-made):

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Would dearly love a proper basket hilt broadsword to replace my cheap 1831 pattern backsword, but can't afford one. I'll have to stick to bagpipes.


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Posted: 24-Apr-2007, 03:43 PM
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Hi Emmet. Sorry it's taken me so long to comment. I think you did really well on your targe. I love your dirk. What did you use for wood on that?

would like a basket hilt broadsword also. Swords can really get costly. I had no idea. Then the shipping WOW...but I will say Armour Swords worked through it all. Thanks Iain!!! My next sword will be a basket hilt and not as heavy or long...lol

Emmet would love to see a picture of the basket hilt that you have.

I would love to see pictures of every ones swords...and knives, dirks ,targes and battle weaponry.

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