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Posted: 01-Aug-2006, 08:55 PM
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And I'll need a postal address to send that Gordon letter, my scanner is "sick" right now.
Seems the gist is that the Clan is badly fractured and split and these people want to tighten it up and restructure it in the US.


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Thanks, Emmet. That's really kind of scary . . . it's just exactly what I was referring to. Complicates things tremendously. The link in the column to the right, in the article you linked in, called "Pew Forum," lays the statistics out in an illuminating way.


Ahem, well. Here is a calendar for the month of August that will let you check the breaking news as it comes out of IDF official sources and into globalsecurity.net. You may agree, disagree, or think it's a bunch of unmitigated propaganda -- but it's a pretty prominent voice in the debate that ought to be assessed, and this is a nice compact place that's being updated constantly.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/lib...6/08/index.html

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QUOTE (Dogshirt @ 01-Aug-2006, 08:55 PM)
And I'll need a postal address to send that Gordon letter, my scanner is "sick" right now.
Seems the gist is that the Clan is badly fractured and split and these people want to tighten it up and restructure it in the US.


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And does Saudi Arabia count? Nice people, country is a little dry for my tastes, but it was okay!

Saudi? What were you doing there unsure.gif Anyway I'm not talking Govt. contractors I mean as a citizen who is not of the Muslim faith.
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had the IDF home page open earlier, but it won't open for me now. No doubt they sent a hagana-bot to my hard drive and found out I was talkin' with y'all, and I'm a poor security risk. 




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or think it's a bunch of unmitigated propaganda -- but it's a pretty prominent voice in the debate that ought to be assessed, and this is a nice compact place that's being updated constantly.

If he disagrees with it, then he'll probably think it's propaganda! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE (Nova Scotian @ 01-Aug-2006, 09:14 PM)


If he disagrees with it, then he'll probably think it's propaganda! biggrin.gif

Hey, hey, I'm not peddling it myself, just providing a source that's tracking developments closely and reporting/interpreting them. smile.gif Still gotta keep eyes open.

Eh, it's opening again. Take your chances:
http://www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/homepage.asp...d=-8888&force=1


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I'll say again for the 4th time look at how these "civilized folkes " acted when those cartoons of Mohamad were published. But those sympethitic to Hesbula don't want to aknowledge that.


Perhaps no one wants to encourage another racist diatribe about how evil, wicked, and bloodthirsty all Muslims are.


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QUOTE (Dogshirt @ 01-Aug-2006, 06:01 PM)
We should all remember that the bible was written BY jews FOR jews. The fact that the bible as you know it was pieced together from a LOT of jewish texts by a Roman emporer and others to suit them selves should NOT be overlooked. ANYTHING that they didn't like simply wasn't included! The bible is NOT an anceint book, just a book pieced together by men to suit themselves. Do NOT expect to get any wisdom from a book WRITTEN by men, COMPILED by men, and EDITED by men. There is FAR too much man and not enough god in the bible to take seriously!


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No, we should hang on your every word and take that to our graves. I see.

I agree, wrong thread.


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Perhaps no one wants to encourage another racist diatribe about how evil, wicked, and bloodthirsty all Muslims are.

Might as well. Israel seems to be getting their fair share of harsh commentary.
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QUOTE (SCShamrock @ 02-Aug-2006, 02:23 AM)
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Perhaps no one wants to encourage another racist diatribe about how evil, wicked, and bloodthirsty all Muslims are.

Might as well. Israel seems to be getting their fair share of harsh commentary.

I'm responding to you because I refuse to respond to Emmet. I think those cartoons and they reaction they bought showed just how a big majority of how Islam is. It's not a religion of peace in my opinon. Ut's too bad that the ones who practice it peacefully get a bad rep for it and they are in fear to stand up and speak out against the violence those cartoons started. At least those in the Middle East.
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Ut's too bad

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Perhaps no one wants to encourage another racist diatribe about how evil, wicked, and bloodthirsty all Muslims are.


Might as well. Israel seems to be getting their fair share of harsh commentary.


Harsh perhaps, but well deserved (with citations), and directed at the policies of the political state of Israel, not Jewish people in general.

What if I were to propose that Fred Phelps was truly representative of all Christians?
I see no discernable qualitative difference in stating that all Muslims are murderous than in stating that all Jews are cheats, all Blacks are lazy, all Latinos are thieves, or all Irish are drunkards, and I fail to see how such statements contribute anything of value to the conversation.
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QUOTE (Dogshirt @ 01-Aug-2006, 08:51 PM)
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What do ya say we just TRY to keep the Bible out of it. I do believe it to be true but tried to seperate it the best I can. I'll say again, Israel is no angles in this, but neither is Hesbula who DID start this current conflict. I'd like to put all those who sympithize with these muslim extreamist in and Muslim country for about 10 years and see for themselves what kind of people Israel is dealing with. I'll say again for the 4th time look at how these "civilized folkes " acted when those cartoons of Mohamad were published. But those sympethitic to Hesbula don't want to aknowledge that.



I'm not the one who brought it in, just trying ro keep it in perspective.
And does Saudi Arabia count? Nice people, country is a little dry for my tastes, but it was okay!


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I was actually referring to the validity/accuracy/trustworthy of the Bible issue.

It does have a bit to do with this discussion as a historical document and likely as a prophetic document. But this would be the wrong thread to get into any of that.

Can you please accept my humblest apologies Dogshirt unsure.gif

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