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LadyOfAvalon 
Posted: 08-Aug-2007, 06:54 PM
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I did not listen to all of it but I have to say that I totally agree that global warming is political propaganda and again the media plays a wonderful role in this as well.

And unfortunately even in our modern society people just falls for it because they don't understand or just want to believe that television is all true. When I discovered celtic radio at first "global warming" was a topic that I started just to ear what people had to say about it.(which I deleted since)
And I received an e-mail from someone who did not identify him or herself answering my question about the media and the influence it has on our society.Here was the answer from my anonymous sender.

Greetings:
Most of the global warming dialog is really a rant.
People still believe what they wish to believe.
True, the Earth's climate changes...no kidding. All the evidence points to this.
The bone of contention is the cause of global warming. The current climate trends are not human induced!!!![ Despite the true believers to the contrary.] That big bright yellow thing in the sky is most probably the prime driver.
If I wrote a grant to the National Science Foundation proposing to increase the Earth's temperature by 1 degree, I would be laughed out of the Academy.
Human hubris never fails to amaze me.
A much more profitable discussion should be taking place along the lines of what we are going to do with a booming population, a sky-rocketing demand upon natural resources
[especially from China and India]...and conservation in general.
Thank you, dear Lady, for daring to point out the naked emperor.


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Posted: 10-Aug-2007, 12:00 PM
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FWIW

I just heard about this i havent had a chance to watch the whole thing yet but i will this weekend

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3...847519933351566

it is called the "Great Global Warming Swindle"

these are all well known climatologists i dont think "an inconvenient truth" used a lot of them. if you are truly interested in the climate change it should be worth watching.


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Could it be? That Bushes recent 360 on global worming, is a sign of repentance? I doubt it, because I donít think he knows the meaning of the word. And whatís worse, I donít think he cares.

Iím sorry dundee, but I think the titleÖ ďInconvenientÖ TruthĒ, is reason enough not to include those climatologists.

Like Iíve said before, it all comes down to who, and what you believe.

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yep your right john... just "dont throw the baby out with the bathwater"... i never would expect anything posted to change anyones mind who has made up there mind. it is more for the people that are not sure. i would encourage you though to watch it ... it will cost you nothing but a some time... then you can say you looked at both sides... ahhhh judy collins just came to mind... i really dont know clouds at all.....

oh by the way i dont see how your comment about bush had anything to do with what i posted. but seeing as you brought it up check out this site.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp

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You guys are funny subject from global warming to Georges Bush to Judy Collins.
One would believe himself in a tavern.(just teasing).But I totaly agree that in the book M.Gore did not include these scientist.As for your M.Bush well in my eyes he's another puppet who can't even pronounce the word properly anyways...I don't have too much respect for the man..Sorry no offense.

But I will certainly listen to it entirety because I'm still very curious about what the British have to say. Because they too like to put it on human activity like flying and such. They've been doing some pub while I was there telling no...asking people not to take the plane if you don't have to but your car or the train.Hmmm

If you prefer reading ,there is this book that I bought called "Climate" and is written by two scientist one is climate scientist the other geologist-biologist.It is a very interesting book that explain the climate through the ages.
Authors are Jennifer Hoffman and Tina Tin.
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Oh yes the Judy Collins (both sides now) is a perfect analogue. But you see, dundee. One could say that Iím from Oklahoma, even though I was born in Brooklyn, because I canít help but to believe my own eyes. So, as much as it pains me, nothing is going to change the fact, that I believe that I saw demolition on 9/11. Oh yes, planes flew into those towers, but I donít believe that was what brought them down.

As what Bush has to do with your post about global worming? All I know is that Bush has ignored the subject until recently. Gee, do you think Al Goreís Incontinent Truth had anything to do with that? Come on man, it all quit obvious.
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QUOTE (John Clements @ 11-Aug-2007, 11:45 AM)


As what Bush has to do with your post about global worming? All I know is that Bush has ignored the subject until recently. Gee, do you think Al Goreís Incontinent Truth had anything to do with that? Come on man, it all quit obvious.
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john take look a at my last link...
snopes is pretty reliable and unbiased.
would seem to me that bush has a bit of
an upper hand on gore at least with his life style.

and are you trying to make me laugh "Al Goreís Incontinent Truth"
you describe it very well... laugh.gif peace

and i dont know how we got into 9/11...
there isnt a ghost on everydoor knob ya know...

lady of A i have no problem with your opinion of bush... *S*
i am pretty pissed at him right now myself. laugh.gif
just be sure to look at the whole picture... follow the money ....
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This article may be demonstrative of the fact that we just don't know as much about climate as we like to suppose, and that perhaps our certainty is tainted with hubris. This becomes more provocative when we consider how reliant many doom and gloomers have been upon computer modeling, which is only as effective as the data input into it, and is by no means reflective of interconnected matrices as complex as climate. Anyway -

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070815/sc_nm/...tralia_ocean_dc


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Well, defenders of catastrophic global warming via greenhouse gases - you now have an opportunity to make big bucks - but only if you can prove it.

Junk Science .com is offering $100,000 to the first person who can - prove it that is.

www.junkscience.com
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I remember in the 70's scientist were warning us about global cooling. Now a term that I here a lot is climate changes. I guess that is going to be the new term so all of the doomsday forecaster can be right about the weather.

With that said I do believe we should all be good stewards when it comes to taking care of the earth. It is our only home

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Well, I have done a 360 on the Global Warming Issue and I think unless things change very soon then we could be looking at a pretty significant Global Cool down.

http://www.leadertelegram.com/story-opinio...?id=BGMHH9IPD4Q

I've been following the fact that Global Warming/Cooling may indeed be mostly related to Sunspot activity.

Data from Nasa shows no significant sunspots this year:

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/sunspots/

If indeed we are headed toward a Maunder and Dalton climate minima, such as occurred in the 1600's, then we got bigger problems.

- Oil prices continue to rise.
- Crop reduction.
- Grain Shortages.

Global Warming could end up being the biggest consumer scam in history. We are paying at the pumps, the grocery store and in taxes to reduce emissions.

Maybe we need to start pumping as much CO2 in the atmosphere as possible to prevent a mini iceage. Better break out the AWD SUV's and get a wood stove!

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Well, I have done a 360 on the Global Warming Issue and I think unless things change very soon then we could be looking at a pretty significant Global Cool down.

http://www.leadertelegram.com/story-opinio...?id=BGMHH9IPD4Q

I've been following the fact that Global Warming/Cooling may indeed be mostly related to Sunspot activity.

Data from Nasa shows no significant sunspots this year:

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/sunspots/

If indeed we are headed toward a Maunder and Dalton climate minima, such as occurred in the 1600's, then we got bigger problems.

- Oil prices continue to rise.
- Crop reduction.
- Grain Shortages.

Global Warming could end up being the biggest consumer scam in history. We are paying at the pumps, the grocery store and in taxes to reduce emissions.

Maybe we need to start pumping as much CO2 in the atmosphere as possible to prevent a mini iceage. Better break out the AWD SUV's and get a wood stove!



AT LAST!!!!!!!!!!! Others see it for the crap science it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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QUOTE (Dogshirt @ 23-May-2008, 03:43 PM)
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Well, I have done a 360 on the Global Warming Issue and I think unless things change very soon then we could be looking at a pretty significant Global Cool down.

http://www.leadertelegram.com/story-opinio...?id=BGMHH9IPD4Q

I've been following the fact that Global Warming/Cooling may indeed be mostly related to Sunspot activity.

Data from Nasa shows no significant sunspots this year:

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/sunspots/

If indeed we are headed toward a Maunder and Dalton climate minima, such as occurred in the 1600's, then we got bigger problems.

- Oil prices continue to rise.
- Crop reduction.
- Grain Shortages.

Global Warming could end up being the biggest consumer scam in history. We are paying at the pumps, the grocery store and in taxes to reduce emissions.

Maybe we need to start pumping as much CO2 in the atmosphere as possible to prevent a mini iceage. Better break out the AWD SUV's and get a wood stove!



AT LAST!!!!!!!!!!! Others see it for the crap science it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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I personally believe we are looking at normal climatic cycles. None of us will live to know for sure though.

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Exactly what I've been saying all along. I'm glad others see this as well.
When the Norse colonized Greenland around 1000AD they farmed there. But 450 years later they had to abandon those colonies because the climate had change to the point they were getting 85% of their foods from the sea and had to import grains for bread. It was no longer feasible to raise livestock.
And that "cold" cycle didn't end until the mid 1800s. Yes! We ARE warming, for NOW, but it will turn again.


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