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Posted: 30-Mar-2006, 11:58 PM
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Sorry. I can't remember his name. I'm refering to the Muslem from Afganistan that went on trial for converting to Christianity. Thank God he's safe. Many prayers were answered. This whole ordeal only shows how evil Islam is. I mean kill someone who converts to another religion? YES! Most Muslems believe it to.


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Posted: 31-Mar-2006, 01:16 AM
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From friends of mine in Islamic dominated countries, it seems the fear is that to allow Christianity would mean wholesale conversions.

If your belief system cannot stand up to scrutiny or, for that matter, challenges from other belief systems, I would want to find one that works!


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Posted: 31-Mar-2006, 07:01 PM
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That's awful. Sometimes people have trouble handling the idea of other religions.

Now, if a person of Middle Eastern descent converted to Islam directly in front of our government, how smoothly do you think that would go over?


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We have as a country have held some converted christians to muslim in prison since 9/11... re read the news of the last few years.


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I don't think Islam is evil as you say Nova Scotian. I think it is a very very controlled way of thinking about a specific religion. I agree that killing someone over their choice of changing their religion is completely absurd, but it isn't a completely foreign topic in Western Civilizations. Just think about the Crusades (I know, they were a long time ago, but are still relevant). Or for a matter of fact the Inquisition. During this time Jews were persecuted for not being Catholic, so how can you say that Islam is evil for pretty much doing the exact same thing that the Catholic church has done? I know this is a little more on the philisophical side, but I think viewing all Muslims and their religion as evil is stretching reality. It is just a very strict form of religion. After saying that let me add my thanks to Italy for accepting this man into their country after being released by the Afghan authorities.


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QUOTE (greenldydragon @ 31-Mar-2006, 08:10 PM)
I don't think Islam is evil as you say Nova Scotian. I think it is a very very controlled way of thinking about a specific religion. I agree that killing someone over their choice of changing their religion is completely absurd, but it isn't a completely foreign topic in Western Civilizations. Just think about the Crusades (I know, they were a long time ago, but are still relevant). Or for a matter of fact the Inquisition. During this time Jews were persecuted for not being Catholic, so how can you say that Islam is evil for pretty much doing the exact same thing that the Catholic church has done? I know this is a little more on the philisophical side, but I think viewing all Muslims and their religion as evil is stretching reality. It is just a very strict form of religion. After saying that let me add my thanks to Italy for accepting this man into their country after being released by the Afghan authorities.

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QUOTE (Shadows @ 31-Mar-2006, 07:11 PM)
Amen!!!! thumbsup.gif

Double amen from here! thumbs_up.gif

By the way, Novia Scotian, it's "muslim", not "muslem".
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First I stand corrected. I ment Muslim not Muslem lolol. OK so I sound like I have something against Muslems. The person that's a Muslem? No. As a matter of fact I have a very good friend who's a Muslim. By name only due to him not practicing. As far as you thinking I have little knowledge about Islam or Muslims, my wife is a full blooded Christian Arab. She and her family are from Amman, Jordan. She came to the USA in 1984 when she was 10. Her mom and dad are still here. Both her parients will tell you what kind of religion Islam is. They grew up being the minority and they'll tell you it is not a religion of peace. As far as the crusades and the inquisition are concerned, it was never ordered by God. Yes at the time many were told it was ordered by God but at that time very few asked a very common question a lot of Christians ask. That is WWJD? Now if you've ever read the Quran, there is no comparision between Mohamad and Jesus. Also I believe we should live at peace with everyone so like I said, I don't hate the Muslim, but I still do think Islam is EVIL!

Also since my wife became part of my family, we now have an "Arab Celt" if there was ever any such thing. If there wasn't well there is now.
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Posted: 31-Mar-2006, 08:27 PM
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QUOTE (celticfire @ 31-Mar-2006, 07:01 PM)
That's awful. Sometimes people have trouble handling the idea of other religions.

Now, if a person of Middle Eastern descent converted to Islam directly in front of our government, how smoothly do you think that would go over?

If a person of Middle Eastern descent converted to Islam in front of our Government? I don't think to many people would care. Besides, it's their right to do so.
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Are you convinced that Muhammed began the religion as a black faith?
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Posted: 31-Mar-2006, 08:47 PM
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QUOTE (celticfire @ 31-Mar-2006, 08:35 PM)
Are you convinced that Muhammed began the religion as a black faith?

Looking at the history, I'm sure he ment well. I studied Islam in my Humanities class is college and by the sound of it he had no spiritual guide or accountability. I studied that he was illiterate and he tried to memorize the writings of the for fathers. Abraham, Issac, Ishamlal, who was his decendant, Jacob, and the list goes on. Plus he was told he had the markings of a profit and I think that gave him sort of a big head so to speak and thought he could do no wrong and foregot he was still just a man. From there on out there is more but it's long and if you want to know more I suggest a book call Jesus among other Gods written By Ravi Zacharias. It's a book of research and is not intended to bash any faith. It only makes comparisions. I highly recomend it. You can get it on Half .com
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QUOTE (greenldydragon @ 31-Mar-2006, 07:10 PM)
I don't think Islam is evil as you say Nova Scotian. I think it is a very very controlled way of thinking about a specific religion. I agree that killing someone over their choice of changing their religion is completely absurd, but it isn't a completely foreign topic in Western Civilizations. Just think about the Crusades (I know, they were a long time ago, but are still relevant). Or for a matter of fact the Inquisition. During this time Jews were persecuted for not being Catholic, so how can you say that Islam is evil for pretty much doing the exact same thing that the Catholic church has done? I know this is a little more on the philisophical side, but I think viewing all Muslims and their religion as evil is stretching reality. It is just a very strict form of religion. After saying that let me add my thanks to Italy for accepting this man into their country after being released by the Afghan authorities.

I mentioned in a post earlier a book called" Jesus among other Gods" by Dr. Ravi Zacharias. I just want to say in response to you mentioning the crusades in the book he makes an observation that "Jesus' kingdom was not procured by military might or power. It's rule is neither territorial or political". It goes on to say that "history has proven that the spread of the gospel by the sword or by coercion has done nothing but misrepresented the message and bought dispute to the gospel. Just thought I'd share that.
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Neither territorial or political? Again, what exactly then is Rome and the power politically the pope has? Yes, at the moment the Pope is not exercising this power as much as former pope's have.
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QUOTE (greenldydragon @ 01-Apr-2006, 03:09 PM)
Neither territorial or political? Again, what exactly then is Rome and the power politically the pope has? Yes, at the moment the Pope is not exercising this power as much as former pope's have.

Maby "mans" Kingdom" but not Jesus' kingdom.
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QUOTE (Shadows @ 31-Mar-2006, 07:09 PM)
We have as a country have held some converted christians to muslim in prison since 9/11... re read the news of the last few years.

If you are refering to Jose Padila, well wasn't he held because of terrorist plots? I don't know of anyone who was detained just because they converted to islam.

Don't bring up Cats Stevens either. LOLOL
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