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Posted: 10-Feb-2006, 08:13 PM
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QUOTE (Antwn @ 10-Feb-2006, 07:52 PM)
Another irony here is that the Danish paper's circulation is about 150,000 weekdays and 200,000 weekends.  If Muslim extremists really wanted to limit an offensive exposure they would have been better off keeping quiet.  No one but some Jutland Danes would have noticed.  Instead they created a global firestorm out of an ember.

They want the exposure. It inflames the feelings of their followers, insures the silence of any "moderates", and intimidates wishy-washy liberals and politicians, here and in Europe, into compelling the press to "restrain" themselves (something they would never think of doing if the press were insulting Christians or Jews with similar cartoons).


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QUOTE (Shamalama @ 10-Feb-2006, 11:48 AM)
So what can we glean from these facts?
- If you are being critical of Christians or Jews then you are protected by free speech.
- If you are being critical of Islam, which is still stuck in the Middle Ages, then you are in danger of death by the jihadis.

Why do we allow this double standard to continue?

Resorting to their tactics would, of course, be stupid. However, should we stand up for what we find holy?

And again, the power of negative press. It has been said the muslims who wish to fuel this fire have been given the power to do so because their antics are news and are covered in the press worldwide. That old conundrum. Situations explode because they are given airplay and they are given airplay because they boost ratings and sell papers.

Do you ever want to just spank some people and send them to their rooms until they learn how to behave? Some people needed a strong mama to put them in their place. Man would that make some heads spin. rolleyes.gif Sorry for being flippant in this serious minded forum but really, it is just too ridiculous with tragic results.


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Posted: 11-Feb-2006, 03:13 AM
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QUOTE (celticfire @ 10-Feb-2006, 07:05 PM)
But simply because of the recent turbulence between the Danish and Muslims, gives no one the right to point fingers at every Muslim, Muslim FAMILIES, simply because of how they view God.

No, it doesn't. However, it does compel me to share my thoughts concerning what is being penned as "moderate" Muslims. Why exactly are they labeled this way? I think the general consensus would be that they are the ones that keep silent in situations such as this----non-participatory in the volley of death cries and violent outrage. Now I also wonder why that is. I suspect they are in disagreement with those who are viewed, in the most PC way, as extremists. If this is the case, then why are they silent? Why not speak their mind, and by so doing help prevent the continued tarnishing of Islam's reputation? Again, I have an idea. I believe it is because that the "moderate" Muslim is an incredible minority, and that the "extremist" is the religion's norm. Otherwise, why fear? Why not stand and defend your religion, exposing those who would kill in defense of a prophet as the wacked out lunatic he is? Certainly there is strength in numbers, and certainly if Islam was the benevolent religion some on the PC side of the aisle would have you believe, that there would be boldness on the part of the so-called "moderate." No, I believe it is as I have always said, this is not a religion of peace, but rather a breeding ground for the most hateful and dark hearts.

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One thing I can say will be a good thing about this whole issue is that the Islamic's are saying they are not going to take aid from anyone who is involved with this "cartoon". The Danish citizens are the major contributors of aid to that part of the world ( thought we were huh?).

If they refuse aid all they will have is oil and sand, can't eat them or use them for meds.

I said else where on this forum that "any" group or belief can turn such things in their favor and incite those that were on the borderline to change over to the cause.


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I love what I'm seeing here. Opinions. It's great! It's freedom and no one is going to chop anothers head of because of someone else disagrees. I'm a Christian. I do knoe what happened during the crusaides and it was wrong. Any Christian will tell you it was wrong and many during that time would have told you it's wrong. Muslems think because they are Muslems, they should be ruling the world and have all the gold. A big part of their anger is envy. The west has all the gold and influance and they hate that with a passion.
My wife is a Arab American and was born over there. Her Mum and Dad are both Palistinian and are Christian and have never been Muslem. They will tell Islam is evil and the main reason they live here now is because of how they were looked upon in the Middle East.
Also Christians here in the west have had distasteful cartoons drawn about Christ and of God. Not to mention the Jews have had the samething. Yes. There have been radicles that try to stir up unrest as a result but they are always pushed aside by the main stream. Islam as we can all see with the recient events has no main stream to push aside the radicles and millitants. They wish to force their view of their religion on the rest of the world and here is some key nations calling for an apology.
Well I give NO apologies! Way to go Denmark!


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QUOTE (celticfire @ 10-Feb-2006, 07:05 PM)
Islam is not an evil faith. I find that a childish way of phrasing the problem at hand. There are people who follow it who make the wrong desicions, sometimes for religious matters, sometimes not. But simply because of the recent turbulence between the Danish and Muslims, gives no one the right to point fingers at every Muslim, Muslim FAMILIES, simply because of how they view God. It was once noted in the Quaran that Jews and Christians are "brothers in the faith" because of so many similarities. The cartoons that "dis" other religions are foolish to be printed; how clever can you be if you even suspect how much of a catastrophe will result from it?

Have you ever live in the middle east? Or know anyone who has? My wife and her family are Christian Arabs and you saying Islam is not evil? They'd tell you otherwise.
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QUOTE (Elspeth @ 09-Feb-2006, 10:05 PM)
I don't know that Islam is a faith of evil, but there certianly are many out there who do evil in it's name.

I wonder, why are they so postal over a cartoon, and then I wonder if perhaps I should be more insensed when people mock Jesus.

It's their way to try to force their view on the world. I say Way TO GO DENMARK!!!!!
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QUOTE (haynes9 @ 10-Feb-2006, 08:16 AM)
As a Christian, does it bother me when I see a cartoon or a TV show mocking Christ and Christianity? Yes. Does it make me want to burn cars and buildings and hurt innocents? No. And the last time I looked, my God is not so insecure that He needs me to take to the streets and burn and kill to defend His Name. He has done a pretty good job of defending His Name Himself. Pity that they have such a weak, insecure god.

As for the Inquisition, those who tortured and murdered in the name of Christ neither knew Him nor had His blessing. They were very bit as vile and wicked as those we see on the news in the Middle East today.

Well Said. I heard a question asked, how would Jesus react to a simular cartoon featuring him. I think he'd probabnly laugh! Jesus does have a sense of humor I believe.
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I say lets have it out right now. After all, God is on all of our sides, so we can't possibly loose?

You know, I think we can all question our religion, without loosing faith!


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QUOTE (John Clements @ 14-Feb-2006, 06:22 PM)
I say lets have it out right now. After all, God is on all of our sides, so we can't possibly loose?

You know, I think we can all question our religion, without loosing faith!

Yes and in Christianity you're suppose to be able to question God as a matter of fact he welcomes it. Most of the time other Christians don't have a problem with it.
Now just try questioning Islam especially if your a Muslem. I've heard from former Muslem what use to happen when they were young if they ever qusetioned Islam or the Quoran. They got punished severly and I don't need to say how but one could figure it out. Even as an adult if you ever do such a thing it could cost you your life and convert out of Islam? You signed you death sentence.
Yes. There are some Christians who have done the same in the past but thank God thet are few and far between.
Yes. There are decient Muslems out there. I have a great friend who's Muslem but not a practicing Muslem. But I find ones like him are few and far between.

I'll close with this, Don't judge a whole group of people because of the actions of the majority.
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