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Posted: 09-Dec-2002, 04:02 PM
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Yeah have seen that many times and it's something I live by. I do hate the US Government but they do not make up America!

IN fact was listening to a recent tax protest and in it they quoted one of the fouding fathers in which they said "Discent is the highest form of patriotism." Because that means you're willing to stand up and protect what this country stands for not what the government would wish you to believe it stands for.
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Posted: 09-Dec-2002, 06:19 PM
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I saw a bumper sticker recently that sums it all up for me:

I LOVE my COUNTRY,
It's the GOVERNMENT I HATE!

I've seen that one. The best political bumper sticker I've seen though was "A WORKING MAN VOTING FOR BUSH WOULD BE LIKE A CHICKEN VOTING FOR COLONEL SANDERS. I thought that was hilarious.


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Posted: 09-Dec-2002, 06:55 PM
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LOL that's also a good one.  ::funny
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Posted: 10-Dec-2002, 06:23 PM
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Thanks, Scottish2. (d)  :D
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Posted: 10-Dec-2002, 07:39 PM
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Yeah it's fun ot make fun of the government.
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Posted: 11-Dec-2002, 09:56 AM
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::viking the best trueism is "I love my country! I fear my goverment".  I think all the public servants (includes the politiacians) should have to make a report, showing what good they did, in order to get paid. More people should get involved in the Washingon Watch. Hey, why can they say what our children need to learn. Were are those school vouchers, we were promised? Our local schools should teach, what the people, who pay for them say. Not some dribble, from some feel good, think tank professor that has no value to the kids ablity to read, etc. Where do teachers, get off being unfireable. If they don't produce, sack them.
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Question should be why is the Federal Government even involved in Education? Here is Article 1 Section 8 of the US Constitution can you show me anywhere where in these very limited powers congress has been given the authority to control education? I will tend to wager you can't at least not without stretching the Section/Clause to mean more then it says. Clause 8 (Note clause not section. CLauses are subparts of sections. Just wanted to clarify that being it is section 8 clause 8 I am refering to.) is the closest you will find and even this doesn't relate to education but to science in the essense of advancing technologies and that sort of stuff but doesn't include schooling or education.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibit....on.html

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Section. 8.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
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Posted: 11-Dec-2002, 04:59 PM
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Yeah it's fun to make fun of the government.

I know, Thistle :D . BTW, I corrected your spelling.
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Yeah that's the problem when I start typing about the gubermint (not a typo  :p )
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The USA needs to become more ecologically aware. Not just single people like Scottish2 - but your central government and local government, too.

Ok, I've been away from the forum for a while, but I will jump right in!

I know it is easy to bash the U.S. for consuming more than its fair share of oil, but alot of good has come from the technology generated by the economy for the past 10 years.

A top priority of the current administration is developing a viable fusion reactor within 35 years. So what is fusion you may ask? It is what powers the sun, it is what will save humunity from polluting the earth. There is no nuclear radiation or waste generated from a fusion reactor. Of course, there are many scientific milestones that will have to be passed in order to build a fusion reactor, but we know from theory it is possible. It is physics and it will work.

Once the fusion problem is solved we will have a virtually unending supply of energy and fosil fuels will become a thing of the past.

I found this article at Ancestry.com...

Clipping of the day...From the Fayetteville Daily Democrat (Fayetteville, Arkansas) 11 December 1922:

Lack of coal drives people to new interest in the scientists' promise that some day we'll tap the heat of the sun. But no sooner do we start looking into that source of supply than we find the sun's got a huge hole in it, growing bigger.

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Posted: 27-Dec-2002, 10:32 AM
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Have been meaning to post this and it got lost in the hoiliday mails

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/12/16/channel.wreck/index.html

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DOVER, England (CNN) -- A cargo ship has run into the sunken Tricolor, the vessel that sank in the English Channel in one of the world's busiest shipping lanes.

The Nicola, a 3,000 tonne ship registered in the Dutch Antilles, struck the Norwegian vessel, which sank off Dunkirk on Saturday after a collision with another vessel in thick fog.

The Nicola was stuck on top of The Tricola for several hours before being pulled free by two tugboats on Monday morning, .

A French Maritime Authority spokesman said The Nicola was not believed to have suffered serious damage. It is currently anchored nearby.

The Tricolor, a Norwegian-registered car carrier, was carrying 30 million ($47.7m) worth of luxury cars when it sank in the English Channel in the early hours of Saturday following a collision with another vessel in fog.

Although all of its crew escaped unharmed, the tanker -- and its cargo of almost 3,000 BMWs, Volvos and Saabs -- lay just below the surface.

A team of eight and a vessel from salvage company Smit Tak are in position about 20 miles east of the Kent coast to check the Tricolor for oil leaks.

High winds and strong sea currents prevented divers from going down to the wreck to assess damage on Sunday.

The 95 metre-long Nicola, which was built two years ago and had seven people on board, hit the Tricolor at about 2 a.m. as it travelled from La Coruna in northern Spain to Rotterdam. It is not known what the ship is carrying.

 
The damage to the Kariba illustrates the force of the collision  



French coastguards are dealing with the Tricolor as it is lying on its side in French waters.

The French warship Geranium, sent from Cherbourg, was alongside the Tricolor to alert other ships to the wreck. A single buoy marked the spot.

When weather improves, three or four buoys will be placed around the wreck.

The Tricolor was carrying the cars from Zeebrugge, in Belgium, to Southampton, England.

In a statement, Per Ronnevig, spokesman for shipping firm Wilhelmsen Lines, which owned the carrier, said as well as the cars, the Tricolor was also transporting 77 other cargo units, which mainly consisted of tractors and crane parts.

The vessel was estimated to be worth 25.1 million ($39.9).

Ronnevig said the the cargo would probably have to be written off.

He said: "I think we must consider it lost. She probably capsized when she went down. It means that all the cars are probably lying in pieces down there."

The Tricolor sank after colliding with the container ship Kariba, which was said to be severely damaged.

The 175-metre, 20,829-ton cargo vessel Kariba was carrying containers and was on its way from Antwerp, in Belgium, to Le Havre, in France.

After the incident it limped back to Antwerp for damage inspection.

Investigators are due to question the crew of both vessels.
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