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Do you think that children should be handcuffed when being unruly?
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Posted on 26-Apr-2005, 06:25 PM
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Recently a lot of children who have been causing a lot of problems at school and whatnot have had the cops called on them and then handcuffed and arrested. What is your opinion.

I think that it is going to far personally. I do not think that a five year old is so dangerous that the cops need to be called and that child be restrained by handcuffs. I come from a family of 12 and we can be pretty bad sometimes but never to that point, now if the child was a teenager or there abouts then that's a different question. But I have yet to know a five year old to be able to physically harm an adult, grant it that adult is capable of defense (aka no disabilities, etc.)

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Posted on 26-Apr-2005, 06:28 PM
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Wow...that was right here in my town (ok, city), and I didn't even hear about it. Maybe I should read the paper a bit more.


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QUOTE (Ceciliastar1 @ 26-Apr-2005, 04:25 PM)
Recently a lot of children who have been causing a lot of problems at school and whatnot have had the cops called on them and then handcuffed and arrested. What is your opinion.

I think that it is going to far personally. I do not think that a five year old is so dangerous that the cops need to be called and that child be restrained by handcuffs. I come from a family of 12 and we can be pretty bad sometimes but never to that point, now if the child was a teenager or there abouts then that's a different question. But I have yet to know a five year old to be able to physically harm an adult, grant it that adult is capable of defense (aka no disabilities, etc.)

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What is'nt told (unless you read the captions of the photos) is the tape is 30 minutes long. On the tape, the girl is lterally tearing the office apart. At one point she even jumps onto a table and still takes a swing at the vice principal. The tape also clearly shows that the vice principal attempts to restrain the child by simply giving her a hug. Reasonble attempts to calm the girl down were made before the police were called.

In this day of political correctness, what is the vice principal supposed to do? Allow the child to continue with her tirade and possibly hurting herself? It's bad enough that any school personnel gets sued at the drop of a hat for just trying to maintain some order, but what are they supposed to do in this situation? And all this because the little girl didn't get to play the jelly bean game.


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Posted on 26-Apr-2005, 09:47 PM
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I am also one from a large family, 5th out of 6 and the youngest has Down Syndrome. So, needless to say my siblings and I caused quite a ruckus at times, but we knew when we had gone too far and even though was fought a lot while we were younger we still looked out for each other and even more so now.

To me, it seems that the problem with the little 5 year-old girl is that there might have been a lack of discipline at home. One of the reasons that my siblings and I turned out so well is that we were disciplined and it was explained to us why we were being disciplined and why we were in trouble. What seemed to lack with the little girl was a lack of respect and obedience.

Teachers have to be careful because of accusations that their students might make ie abuse, harassment, or racism. In some cases it is true, but in others it could not be farther from the truth. My mom and my older sister are teachers and they both have been accused of either racism or abuse and if you knew my family you would know that could not be further from the truth. My sister substitute taught at a public grade school and one of her students said to her, "You are making me do this because I am black." And my sister's response was, "Yes just like I am making him do this because he is mexican and her do it because she is white. I treat each one of you the same and everyone has to listen and do the work and if you honestly think that I am being racist I will let you go down to the principle and tell him because that is your right." The boy did not say anything more about it. As for my mom, a boy tried to say that she bruised him when she had not even touched him. The boy had been having problems with the law and was in and out of juvie. There was also some suspicion that he was being abused at home by his step-father. In the end, the boy was just trying to stir up more trouble and he was very successful.

I understand why the teachers called the police in because any way that they tried to restrain her could have hurt her and hurt them. Even when the teacher tries to protect herself by just putting her hand out to stop the little girl from hitting her could be seen as an assault on the girl just because she might have touched the little girl. The school was trying to protect themselves and its teachers from a lawsuit which is still probably coming. The police had the same issue when they got there. They needed to protect themselves as well as the little girl. They put the handcuffs on her than put her in the back of the car so that could not hurt anyone or herself. Either the police and the school get a lawsuit for hurting the girl by restraining her physically and actually hurt the little girl and get themselves hurt or still get a lawsuit for putting her in cuffs and the back of the police car while they protect the girl, themselves and other students. It really is a toss up.

In almost any other case I would say that the child should not be handcuffed, but
it was almost unavoidable. It really is a hard call.


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Posted on 27-Apr-2005, 02:42 AM
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I am really tired of all this bleeding heart garbage about how to discipline a child. Time-outs don't work, most of us grew up with getting spanked and punished for doing something wrong. Enough of all this you can't spank or hit of they act up. All this started because some idiots later in life decided that all their trouble were because their parents hit them as children. Granted, some children were probably abused when young, but it has now gone too far in that if a parent even threatens to spank a child, they have to worry about DCFS showing up. I really with the government would stay the heck out of my life and I'm sure plenty of other's feel the same. It really is 1984. And I also say to heck with the saying 'Spare the rod, spoil the child', I do believe they learn more from the well deserved spanking or slap on the hand if it is neccessary to get the point across. And most of these problems we have today with out children are from the liberals who had to put their nose where it doesn't belong!


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Posted on 27-Apr-2005, 08:47 AM
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I saw the video, or at least part of it, on the news. That kid needed a cuff up side the head. She was beating on those cops. Would you take that? No. If someone my age tried that they'd get a bullet in the cheast. That kid should be taken from her mother. She obviously doesn't have the skills to raise a well adjusted child.

She's suing the cops, when she should be spanking her child. But no one wants to admit they're a screw up.


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Handcuffing isn't done lightly, it's a matter of both officer and perpetrator safety. What other options do the cops have? The only other options the cops have are pepper spray, taser or deadly force.

Every department I know of has a hard and fast rule. Anyone placed in custody for any reason is cuffed. Period!!!!

This is a frivolous suit that will likely be tossed out during the earliest of hearings.

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As one who is in law enforcement, I see this in an different light. First of all I haven't heard of this incident but I can tell you that from an officers point, that they will do whatever is necessary to get situation under control. But when it comes to a child, (say a five year old) there not going to pepper spray or taser them, but they will restrain them as gently as possible. There is one thing you need to know, a child or juvenal doesn't stop and think before they act, they just act and if not restrained someone will get hurt. This child needs some help now before its to late, if the parents or if the state doesn't step in and get her some help she will be in trouble the rest of her life.


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me thinks the lil girlie..... will think twice before she gets out of line again....
the mother was called and couldnt come to school.... not that she would have done alot of good...... this child learned this behavior. thumbs_up.gif


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QUOTE (Swanny @ 27-Apr-2005, 12:15 PM)
This is a frivolous suit that will likely be tossed out during the earliest of hearings.

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Swanny, I truly hope you're right. But with today's sue happy society and judges willing to accommodate (sp?) all levels of stupidity from the public and place the blame on authorities, I'm not so sure it will be tossed out. You wouldn't think a woman would get rich for dumping her own cup of coffee in her lap because it was hot, either! sad.gif


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First problem is they should never have let them out of the closets!!! biggrin.gif


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I also have to agree with putting the child in handcuffs. How far can these kids go today. If we showed disrespect in school - the parents were notfied and you got in major trouble at home. Besides getting grounded for weeks you got a good whipping / spanking and that was that.

And I have to agree that spanking a child is sometimes neccessary. When I see mothers these days and their kids do with them what they want, I can only think to myself that I am happy that my son got at the right time a smack on the behind before he fell into that behavior and he never did it again.

I am sure that there are plenty of abused children out there but like we used to say in Germany - light smacks on the back of the head - helps you think and gives the butt a nice rosy color!

When the need to protect the child is there and handcuffing is the only way I say go for it.


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I agree with handcuffs. It is a safety issue also. I just don't know how we are going to get a grip on the kids out there it is scary.. Not a lot matters to these kids who don't know the value of a life, nor do they want to learn..

Scary, very scary your dealing a lot with the drugs and not the child...

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QUOTE (VetteGal @ 27-Apr-2005, 02:42 AM)
I am really tired of all this bleeding heart garbage about how to discipline a child. Time-outs don't work, most of us grew up with getting spanked and punished for doing something wrong. Enough of all this you can't spank or hit of they act up. All this started because some idiots later in life decided that all their trouble were because their parents hit them as children. Granted, some children were probably abused when young, but it has now gone too far in that if a parent even threatens to spank a child, they have to worry about DCFS showing up. I really with the government would stay the heck out of my life and I'm sure plenty of other's feel the same. It really is 1984. And I also say to heck with the saying 'Spare the rod, spoil the child', I do believe they learn more from the well deserved spanking or slap on the hand if it is neccessary to get the point across. And most of these problems we have today with out children are from the liberals who had to put their nose where it doesn't belong!

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I think that its a situantional thing. The question can't' be answered with a simple yes or no.
If its just a child acting up like some do in school. then no.
But, if it is like the florida girl or some child (when I say child I am refering to anyone in school even the 15-17 year olds) fighting or being destructive then yes, handcuff them and beat the parents.

What more kids(and parents) need these days is a nice ,swift swat in the rear


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QUOTE (urian @ 27-Apr-2005, 09:04 PM)
AMEN!

I think that its a situantional thing. The question can't' be answered with a simple yes or no.
If its just a child acting up like some do in school. then no.
But, if it is like the florida girl or some child (when I say child I am refering to anyone in school even the 15-17 year olds) fighting or being destructive then yes, handcuff them and beat the parents.

What more kids(and parents) need these days is a nice ,swift swat in the rear

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