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Posted: 15-Mar-2005, 02:40 PM
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You are very welcome Wizard, it looks nice and long!! biggrin.gif


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The Egyptian "ank" ( not sure that is spelled right ) was a cross with a circle ( more an oval ) on top and signified eternal life, the cross is not new to religions. As for the swastika it was originally a native american symbol for life, the bent cross it became during Hitler's reign!

Symbolism and charms have been at man's beck and call since the begining of time, it (as I have said before ) is all dependant on who is in control at the time. I do not wish to demean anyones faith or beliefs, just use the god given brain you have to see what is real.


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QUOTE (IrishBecca30 @ 15-Mar-2005, 02:40 PM)
You are very welcome Wizard, it looks nice and long!! biggrin.gif

Thanks Irishbecca! I will have to print it out and read it too when I have more time.

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QUOTE (CelticRose @ 15-Mar-2005, 02:05 PM)
Thanks Irishbecca! I will have to print it out and read it too when I have more time.

BTW, I LOVE your new avatar!

Thank you CelticRose! This avatar is a little more uplifting, or so I thought. i'm glad you like it!
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QUOTE (Shadows @ 15-Mar-2005, 02:45 PM)
The Egyptian "ank" ( not sure that is spelled right ) was a cross with a circle ( more an oval ) on top and signified eternal life, the cross is not new to religions. As for the swastika it was originally a native american symbol for life, the bent cross it became during Hitler's reign!

Symbolism and charms have been at man's beck and call since the begining of time, it (as I have said before ) is all dependant on who is in control at the time. I do not wish to demean anyones faith or beliefs, just use the god given brain you have to see what is real.

Now, I used to wear the Egyptian ank (I think that is how it is spelled) a long time ago. I was just so fascinated by Egyptology and read anything I could on it and even went to the King Tut exhibition in Los Angeles many moons ago. I think its sympbolism is eternal life, if I am not mistaken.

Did not know the origins of the swastika though, Shadows. Thanks! And, yes from what I am read symbols and charms have been around since the beginning of time. Interesting, eh?


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QUOTE (IrishBecca30 @ 15-Mar-2005, 03:38 PM)
QUOTE (CelticRose @ 15-Mar-2005, 02:05 PM)
Thanks Irishbecca!  I will have to print it out and read it too when I have more time. 

BTW, I LOVE your new avatar!

Thank you CelticRose! This avatar is a little more uplifting, or so I thought. i'm glad you like it!
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Yes! Irishbecca! I said something to you about it in the avatar thread, I liked it so much. Really beautiful and very uplifting and very Irish too! wink.gif
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It is more then interesting it is insightfull!
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Posted: 16-Mar-2005, 12:45 PM
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CelticRose, I feel like it's Deja vu when i'm in these forums!

It's fun though.
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I've been continuing to study this topic, it's not a trivial subject since it goes to the heart of keeping Christian doctrine pure and not mixed with paganism.

Not to bore you all with pages of references, let me just conclude that while I have been hard-line against crosses for 30 years, I am now satisfied that neither the cross symbol or the celtic cross is anything but a Christian symbol.
There is no real evidence that I have found that it was borrowed from the heathen or any other culture or religion.

It's worth remembering that God, through His forknowledge determined that His Son should die for the sins of man on a cross long before the man was even created.
In that sense..nothing predates Christianity (or the worship of the God of the Bible to be more correct).

For those interested in further study, read The Babylon Correction by Ralph Woodrow www.ralphwoodrow.org


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Hey Graham! How ya doing? I hear what you are saying, but it was St Patrick that supposedly drew the symbol of the cross through the sun god symbol that the ancient Celts worshiped, was it not? That's what makes it a Celtic cross, different from other crosses. It is still a Christian cross in my opinion, but a Celtic cross. I hope I am making sense. unsure.gif
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QUOTE (Tassiecelt @ 16-Mar-2005, 05:24 PM)
It's worth remembering that God, through His forknowledge determined that His Son should die for the sins of man on a cross long before the man was even created.
In that sense..nothing predates Christianity (or the worship of the God of the Bible to be more correct)...

Hi!

I remember when it first dawned on me that in Genesis, God says man will be created 'in our image'... Christ was there at the beginning. Awesome!

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At one time I think part of it was a pagan symbol but when Christianity reached Britian and Ireland the bottom part was extended to resemble more of a cross so the inhabitants could be taught Christianity easier.


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well as a personal addition to this discussion, God Willing, next month I plan to be travelling around Scotland with my wife, a highlight will be a visit to Iona and I plan to buy a celtic cross there (small and silver). It would be special to have such a thing from such a place which has been the very centre, if not cradle, of celtic christianity.

very excited, that's what i am. biggrin.gif
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I think the main point here is that there are a couple of differing opinions on the origin of the celtic cross. The only research I have done is reading this thread. I think it was clearly shown that the cross itself is a wholy christian symbol. Now the original explanation givin with the piece of jewelry about the the four corners and their meaning could very well have been the original meaning behind the divided circle of the celts, however is that what a celtic cross repressents anymore? Judging from the majority of posts no one here actually associates the celtic cross with pagan beliefs. tha average person will see a christian cross that carries with it the artistic flair from a specific culture. i believe this falls into one of the warning given by Paul, I think - I cant remember the exact reference. We tells people that there is no problem eating food sacrificed to idols, its just meat. However, if you can't eat in good conscience then don't eat it. If you know someone else cant eat in good conscience then don't tell them where you got the meat. Let them enjoy the meat. Unfortunatly the explanation from the Jewelry maker has affected your conscience.
The way I look at it, and no offense to the jewelry maker, but he might not neccessarily be christian or he is trying to cover his bases and turn a larger profit. If the symbol works only for Christians he is only attracting a portion of the market. If he inlcudes pagan symbolism then he appeals to a larger audience. He probably hasn't studied symbolism or how the cross has been viewed, he is just interested in getting a larger profit. More than likly he included the pagan part not neccessarily because its true but because it sound good.

no matter the why's of the explanation you will have to reconcile it with your own conscience ( i realize that is what you are trying to do) But what works for my conscience might not neccasarily convince yours.

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QUOTE (Tassiecelt @ 13-Jun-2005, 10:58 AM)
well as a personal addition to this discussion, God Willing, next month I plan to be travelling around Scotland with my wife, a highlight will be a visit to Iona and I plan to buy a celtic cross there (small and silver). It would be special to have such a thing from such a place which has been the very centre, if not cradle, of celtic christianity.

very excited, that's what i am. biggrin.gif


Oh wow, are you really?? That is wonderful! clap.gif
Summertime should be a wonderful time to visit; I was in England in late June a few years ago and it was so pleasant weather-wise.

I totally agree, a cross from Iona would be a treasure. I always wear a celtic-style silver bracelet I purchased in Kinsale! And I often wear a celtic cross inlaid with Connemara marble that is from Dublin.

Have fun on your trip,
and say hello to a haggis for me -

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