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Posted: 29-Sep-2004, 09:58 AM
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http://www.wicca.com/celtic/herbal/magickal0.htm

"...and God gave man the plants and herbs to use...."


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Posted: 29-Sep-2004, 10:08 AM
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Shadows: That is a great reference!
I noticed that there is no mention of tobacco, does that mean that the wiccan tradition does not use it for religious practices? If there is a use that you know of (other than the social aspects) could you enlighten me?


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Posted: 29-Sep-2004, 10:17 AM
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I can only tell of the legends on the use of tabacco I have heard:

Tabacco was the name of the hollow pipe ( often a tube ) used by the natives of the americas to smoke their blends of herbs.

The plant sold as tabacco is nothing more then a weed and was a minor ingredient in "some" smoking mixtures.

Tabacco was found only in the americas until trade routes were formed and seed exported.


There is one legend that says the natives laughingly told the explores that they were smoking the " stinking weed" ( tabacco ), when asked what was in their pipes, while it was various herb blends all along.

I have found very little tabacco in true native smoking blends.
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Tobacco is a sacred herb to the Natives. It is given in offering to the spirits and the ancestors, but rarely (if ever) smoked.


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It has always been my understanding that tobacco was grown in North America and used for "giving back" to the land and other ceremonial purposes by aborignal N. Americans. It was introduced to Europe after the "discovery" of the Americas. However, I have often seen pictures or other renderings of Europeans smoking pipes (from fairly early on). Does anyone know what they were smoking in Europe before tobacco was introduced?

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Posted: 30-Sep-2004, 01:46 PM
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I am very familiar with the native american I was also wondering of any wiccan/new age references.
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Could it be said that the Europeans didn't smoke until it was introduced to them from North America (or possibly, Asia)? It certainly caught on like wildfire. Too bad aboriginal attitudes towards the land didn't catch on with the Europeans as whole-heartedly.

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O'siyo,
~Tobacco was given to the Shaman of Native American tribes~ Reason, a lot of the Plains/Desert Indians thought of it as sacred of sorts because, the lands there did not produce such a 'herb'~ It was used to give Ni Ya We to Grandfather Eagle, the keeper of the Spirits..burned as an offering with other herbs before beginning a vision quest~
~Tobacco was given to the Chief of Tribes because, it was a gesture of respect~
~Tobacco was given to the Medicine Man/Woman so that teas/salves could be made~ Tobacco made a heavy, sticky salve that aided in the healing of punctures, (arrows and holes from bullets)..helped prevent infection and promoted healing~ A tea was brewed from tobacco and used to 'treat' cough/fever/induced vomitting..
~ Native Americans have been reported to have smoked Tobacco in pipes before Hunting, Wedding, Healing ceremonies~ Husks of Corn were also smoked in pipes~
~ Just wanted to share that tidbit of info from what I have been taught rolleyes.gif
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Went from herbs to Tobacco. Interesting information!


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I would like to see this forum go back to discussing the Magick of herbs and away from tobacco!

That weed is only one of the many wonderful plants that the creator gave us to use....
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Another good website for herbal uses is http://www.celticparents.com/herblore.html

I've noticed that different sources don't always concur about every herb, even common ones, and that leaves me wondering if the authors simply haven't had a broad-based experience with herbs in general, or if herbal use is linked to different traditions? Or both? My favorite reference is still Scott Cunningham's Encyclopedia, though I'm always on the lookout for new sources. You never know when you'll find something new or unusual mentioned.

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Posted: 27-Nov-2004, 09:29 AM
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Good source thanks!
My favorute herbal deals more with the healing powers of herbs then magick..." Back to Eden " by Jethro Kloss.
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Shadows, I'll have to find "Back To Eden". I've never heard of it before, so thank you in advance.

I'm currently reading, along with some books from our Library, "The Village Herbalist" by Nancy and Michael Phillips (I think). It's a really good book for those who may be thinking of growing herbs for healing uses for their families and/or communities, or for those thinking of taking the plunge into starting an Herb Farm. I don't know that I'd have the courage to do more than make a few teas or tinctures, or salves for my family, but it's been very informative and enlightening in many ways. I definitely, highly recommend it!!

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QUOTE (Dreamer1 @ 26-Nov-2004, 11:50 PM)
Another good website for herbal uses is http://www.celticparents.com/herblore.html

I've noticed that different sources don't always concur about every herb, even common ones, and that leaves me wondering if the authors simply haven't had a broad-based experience with herbs in general, or if herbal use is linked to different traditions? Or both? My favorite reference is still Scott Cunningham's Encyclopedia, though I'm always on the lookout for new sources. You never know when you'll find something new or unusual mentioned.

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~ Are you speaking of Scott Cunningham's The Complete Book of Incense, Oils & Brews? Was curious because if not I would love to find his encyclopedia for I simply love his work and information! happy.gif If you aren't speaking of that book you should, when you have the tyme, check it out..it's very informative! Right now I am simply addicted to the chapter on Herb Baths.. tongue.gif
~ White Spells by Ileana Abrev is another good source..a little more 'simple' if you will, but informative all the same biggrin.gif
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Hi Freekenny!

I'll have to find his Book of Incense, Oils, and Brews! I really enjoy reading his books because they're so informative, but conversational and friendly - never patronistic or tutorial. The encyclopedia I meant was his Encyclopedia of Magical Herbs. It's wonderful!! I've read my copy so much it's dog-eared already. (I've only had it about a year). Please try to find a copy of it. I can't imagine you'd be disappointed.

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