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LadyOfAvalon 
Posted: 16-Aug-2007, 08:06 PM
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Hello Celtic Rose,I do sympathize with you very much as an animal lover I know and certainly understand what your going through. But I have a question that you may found stupid but why do they have to put the animal under complete anesthesia for dental cleaning? Why can't they just put him under partial anesthesia like sometimes they do with humans that have heart problems or when they have to operate on the human brain? The patient is not under complete anesthesia and is aware while don't feel anything.

I've had two dogs in the past, one was a Siberian Husky who lived to the honorable age of 15 years & 4 months and his friend who was a female terrier died 2 years after him of the same age. These animals went to the vet in the beginning and near the end, I decided to let life take its course and never regretted it because they had a very good life with us and we were fortunate to have had them with us that long.
And I still have a female cat that is now over 16 years and it is going to be same with her.

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Posted: 16-Aug-2007, 10:33 PM
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Now see?! I NEVER thought of that, LOA! You bring a very good point and excellent question! I will have to call my vet with that exact question.

I am sure you know how hard it is. Either way I feel like I am killing my dog if I don't get the cleaning done and allow the bacteria in his teeth build up or if I choose not to take the risk of him going under and maybe never awakening again. It's a hard call. I have always been very good about my dogs dental health, but some just seem to build that tartar more than others and neither of them would ever allow me to brush their teeth. I was even giving them Aquadent, which is a mouth wash type of solution that you put in their drinking water to help cut down on the tartar...but it happened anyway. Sigh...

Many thanks, LOA! I may hear a no from the vet, but I think it was a great question despite the answer.


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Posted: 17-Aug-2007, 09:48 AM
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OMG Celticrose. I am so sorry. I so hate some of the decisions we have to make for our beloved pets. As you know we have been going thru "these decisions" lately. I wish I could help make it easier for you.
Lady of Avalon asked a good question. Please let us know what the vets say to it.
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Posted: 17-Aug-2007, 05:25 PM
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Glad to be of help Celtic Rose if not by giving you a solution at least a moral support. smile.gif LOA
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Posted: 18-Aug-2007, 08:57 PM
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That's all one can ask for, LOA, is support. I did a lot of research on the internet the other night, went back to the vet yesterday and had another long talk about the pros and cons. What we have decided to do at this point in time is get x-rays done of Nikki's heart. This will be done Monday morning. Depending on the results of that, we will make a final decision. The Vet won't do anything without looking at his heart. I did ask them your question and they said no way. The dental cleaning is too painful and if extractions are involved, you definitely need anesthesia. I keep hearing about these "anesthesia-free" dentals, but I know of no one here in Arizona who does them and/or if they are as good as advertised.

My vet did give me a business card of an animal dental specialist up in Phoenix to talk to for a third opinion. I did talk to someone there already, but once we know more about the heart, I will talk to them further. So that's the latest! Many thanks for your support. If anything, it just helps to talk/write about it. Bounce ideas off one another..you know. All us animal lovers are faced with this at one time or another and it is dreadful, isn't it?

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Oh no Celtic Rose, I am so sorry to hear this about your Nikki. I had to get my sheltie put under while the vet cleaned her teeth and that was several years ago..I think the Sheltie breed is common for the bacteria in their mouth.
You mentioned X-rays. I think that is a good idea. Most vets will do blood work on older pets before thinking about putting them under anesthesia for any reason. Your vet knows how much anesthesia to give him. I really feel for you under these situations. I remember when I had to decide to put mine down. She just got so sick...poor thing.. A decsion I certainly hope it doesn’t come down to that.

I am also here if you need me..please let us know the minute you find out anything..

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Rose, I'm afraid I can think of nothing to help in your situation, but know that I'm thinking of you and your Nikki. You have a good spirit and I know your decision will be based on Nikki's best interest. Hang in there, Kiddo.

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Rose, my heart goes out to you. I definitely feel your grief. I will have you and Nikki in my prayers.


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Posted: 20-Aug-2007, 06:49 PM
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QUOTE (CelticRose @ 18-Aug-2007, 09:57 PM)
All us animal lovers are faced with this at one time or another and it is dreadful, isn't it?


Unfortunately yes dear. We all know what we are in for with dogs and cats.
Their lifetime is shorter than ours and as animal lovers it is harder sometimes to accept. Some people would not understand that and find it a waste of money but our pets are the only true friends one can have in life because they just loves you unconditionally like I said in response earlier to the topic "Dog logic" .

But one can find solace in the fact that we have the power to not let our dog or cat or whatever,suffer like we humans do to ourselves.

All this said CelticRose I wish you peace and hope for Nikki.
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Posted: 20-Aug-2007, 06:55 PM
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Thanks to all of you for your kind thoughts, words and prayers.

I do have some good news today. Nikki's heart tests came back good. No sign of congestive heart failure. He does have that annoying murmur so the vet has put him on heart medication that he swears he has had excellent results with his other furry patients. So Nikki started that today. We are to wait two weeks and have kidney function tests to make sure the heart meds are not affecting the kidneys in a negative way.....always the side effects one has to worry about. If the kidneys are fine after the two week waiting period, then we are going to go ahead and have the dental cleaning under anesthesia. My hubby and I figure this way. If Nikki does not have it done, his heart health will go down hill from here and greatly shorten his life and suffer. If we do take the risk of the anesthesia dental procedure, it will prolong Nikki's life and quality thereof. The worse scenario is that Nikki does not wake up from the anesthesia. God-willing this will not happen but we look at it in the perspective of it was Nikki's time to go up yonder and he would not have suffered in the future if we had not done anything at all.

I will keep you posted! Many thanks again for all your support. Just helps, if anything, to talk to other animal lovers like myself.
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Posted: 20-Aug-2007, 07:38 PM
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Great news C.R. I'll keep my fingers cross and send good vibes your way.
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QUOTE (Lady of Avalon @ 20-Aug-2007, 06:38 PM)
Great news C.R. I'll keep my fingers cross and send good vibes your way.

Sending mine as well. Please keep us posted.
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Hi Celtic Rose, this is such good news. What a relief.. I am happy for you. Let us know how Nikki is doing. Been thinking about all the stress this has put you through so sorry. I went and played with my dog after I read this. Makes you really appreciate them...

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QUOTE (CelticRose @ 20-Aug-2007, 07:55 PM)
Thanks to all of you for your kind thoughts, words and prayers. 

I do have some good news today.  Nikki's heart tests came back good. No sign of congestive heart failure. He does have that annoying murmur so the vet has put him on heart medication that he swears he has had excellent results with his other furry patients.  So Nikki started that today.  We are to wait two weeks and have kidney function tests to make sure the heart meds are not affecting the kidneys in a negative way.....always the side effects one has to worry about.  If the kidneys are fine after the two week waiting period, then we are going to go ahead and have the dental cleaning under anesthesia.  My hubby and I figure this way.  If Nikki does not have it done, his heart health will go down hill from here and greatly shorten his life and suffer.  If we do take the risk of the anesthesia dental procedure, it will prolong Nikki's life and quality thereof.  The worse scenario is that Nikki does not wake up from the anesthesia.  God-willing this will not happen but we look at it in the perspective of it was Nikki's time to go up yonder and he would not have suffered in the future if we had not done anything at all.

I will keep you posted! Many thanks again for all your support.  Just helps, if anything, to talk to other animal lovers like myself.

Any news C.R. How's Nikki doing?
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Posted: 05-Sep-2007, 08:54 PM
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Hello all, sorry for the delay in writing.

Took Nikki in for his blood work yesterday and the results were really good. He is still on his heart medication and is scheduled to have the dental cleaning done on the 20th of this month. The vet thinks all will go well, but there are never any guarantees for any human or animal who goes under anesthesia. We will just trust in God. If all goes well, the vet says it will certainly improve the quality of Nikki's life and he is going to give me some tools on how to keep Nikki's teeth clean from here on as the vet will not put him under again.

He told me that Shelties have a propensity towards bad teeth and gums and unless they are tirelessly taken care of, it greatly shortens their life span. Probably why I have never had a Sheltie live past 13. 13-16 is their supposed life-span. Well I appreciate all your thoughts and prayers and will continue to keep you posted. He seems to be doing really well.

Many thanks again all!
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