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Do you believe "abstinence only" sex education programs work?
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Do you believe that abstinence-only sexual education programs, like those espoused by President Bush, work?

My belief is that they do not. I think educating abstinence is good, but it doesn't go far enough. Children, and especially teenagers, need to learn about contraceptives as well.

A statistic that is routinely ignored by abstinence-only advocates is that of all college students who make "virginity pledges", more than half of them have broken it. Moreover, those who broke the pledge were less likely to use contraceptives.


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This is a little bit different but I just started college at 29 and the other day I was taling to a few other students and most of them were below 21. We started to talk about drinking and several of them stated that they feel that the only reason that they enjoy drinking so much is because of the thrill of doing something that is illegal, I feel that Abstinance only education provides the same "forbidden fruit" motivation and on top of that the kids still wouldn't have the education to PREVENT a pregnacy or a STD that can kill them. To not provide the education needed is tantamount to saying to a teenager here is a loaded pistol don't play with it or shoot it. Well kid kills his-self or someone else and you come back and say we told you to abstain rather than teach them how to safely fire the weapon.


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I think that abstinence programs should be taught in church, at home, and at school. On the same note, I also think that it should be up to Parents to decide what else they want to teach their children when it comes to sex. You never know what kind of teacher they'll get at school. Some guy who's gonna teach the boys that, "hey you'll get lucky sooner or later and here's what you should do to protect yourself." I'd rather take the approach of "I honestly hope you don't decide to do this, but if you do, or even when you get married, here's what you can do to not get her pregnant or catch any STD's." I really don't want some teacher that I don't know teaching my kids about sex...that should be my job unsure.gif


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I voted yes here, and will tell you why. I think tha sex education to any degree just makes it easier for parents to ignore their kids. I honestly believe that ANY knid of moral issue should not be taught at school. There are obviously a few unavoidable ones (no stealing, no cheating, etc), but for the most part, these should be taught at home.


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I voted no. I have a 13 year old boy and I have talked to him about sex. The only thing is he just rolls his eyes at me and is embrassed because I'm his MOM. My husband tries to talk to hi too and of course gets the same reaction. For my son I think it would be better to get it from a health educator. At least he will listen and if he has questions we hope the he will come to us. My son knows what will happen if you don't use protection because that's pretty much how he was conceived. He also knows that I gave up alot to keep him even though I had the option and was encouraged to have an abortion.

I jsut hope the parents who want to teach their children to abstain will also teach them that if they can't abstain to use protection.


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That's a hard question. I personally do not beleive in contraceptions at all. For Catholics it's as bad as abortion. But I don't want to get into that. I think abstinece should be the thing to be tought. There are too many teenage pregnancies out there due to kids not understanding the importance of pregnancy and the fact that protection doesn't always work. I think that people should teach it more seriously and often at home, church, and school. That's what I would like anyway......


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I voted yes...because abstinence should be taught to our children just as we should teach them it is wrong to steal, murder and lie. It is a moral issue, eventhough everyone doesn't obey the laws we still have to teach right from wrong.

I had the imfamous talk with my son when he turned 12. Yes it was a bit hard the first five minutes, then we started to dialogue. You have to listen to your kids and how they feel, but at the same time you need to make sure that you are communicating with them and not just preaching or dictating at them. My son is now 14, and we just had another talk about sex and the temptations young men face today (believe it or not). I told him about his personally responsibility to himself and to God. I also told him that the decisions he makes to today will affect the rest of his life. In addition, I told him that God has a destiny for his life and to make sure before he makes any life changing decision to pray and make sure he is doing what he knows God wants him to do.

In my opinion, to allow the schools to give our kids sex education without the moral dialogue and laying out the moral consequences is very dangerous. Your giving the children the blueprint for sex without the manual. Parents need to take their responsibilities of parenting their children serious---do the job God gave you to do! Quit waiting on the government or some non-profit to do it for you!


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QUOTE (Roisin-Teagan @ 07-Sep-2004, 09:24 PM)
In my opinion, to allow the schools to give our kids sex education without the moral dialogue and laying out the moral consequences is very dangerous. Your giving the children the blueprint for sex without the manual. Parents need to take their responsibilities of parenting their children serious---do the job God gave you to do! Quit waiting on the government or some non-profit to do it for you!

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I think warning them of the danger of sex doesn't mean to encourage them to do it.
I can be sure of myself, not of the others, so because I'm not sure they will be strong enough to resist, I prefer that if they have sex, it's safe sex.
I can explain sex is not a game, not just for pleasure, it's something that must be done because a strong feeling exists between two persons.


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I voted No, but I also will add it is up to the parent to lay the basics for this. I believe this should be taught at home first then the child has a better foundation based biblically or however the parents base their beliefs. This all needs to start in the home. Parents need to start taking more responsibilities when it comes to teaching their children.


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While I agree with all those who say it is the parent's job to teach these sorts of moral things, the fact is most don't. Take it from a teacher. Therefore, I don't see how we have a choice. A better informed public will be able to make wiser decisions than those whose knowledge is based on trashy magazines, Hollywood movies, and locker room BS!

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QUOTE (Irish Stepper @ 03-Sep-2004, 07:47 PM)
I'd rather take the approach of "I honestly hope you don't decide to do this, but if you do, or even when you get married, here's what you can do to not get her pregnant or catch any STD's."

The abstinence only program would not cover any of that. They would never approach the "if you do" question. That's why there are more unwanted pregnancies and STDs in students who were taught in the abstinence-only programs.

Let's face it, religious morals aren't taught in the schools anyway, and they shouldn't be (what do you do when the religious morals differ from YOURS?). That should come from you.

Morals should come from the home anyway, regardless of what the schools teach.

Don't like the literature curriculum? Teach your own and make your child read extra books of your choosing. Don't like the fact that there's a Halloween dance? Have an alternative activity. Don't want your kids to learn about contraception in sex ed? Tell them, "Your teacher may have told you how to use this, but I don't want you to ever have a need to use it." Then don't let them get into a situation where it's an option.

We're going to raise our own children to be abstinent. But at the same time, I don't want them to get caught up in their own passions and not know what they can do to prevent me from becoming a grandfather at 46. I've known plenty of Christians who did not follow the abstinence only lifestyles they professed, and paid for it later.

Think of it this way, if you teach a person gun safety, that doesn't mean you're encouraging them to go out and shoot people. But instead you're teaching them not to accidentally shoot someone, or themselves. Sex education is the same thing. You're not teaching them HOW to go out and have sex. You're teaching them not to ruin their own lives, or the lives of others.



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Exactly, Deckers. Better to be informed than to live in the dark becuase you are afraid to know how things work! I grew up in a relgious environment where we either lived in ignorance or fear - and there were tons of pre-marriage pregnancies and related heartaches that could have been avoided. Concerned Christians need to be informed, concerned Christians.

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I would like everyone to remember what the motivation is behind Planned Parenthood and other such programs that promote contraceptives. Money!
Why are businesses opposed to abstinence? Abstinence makes no money. Abortions make money; Selling condoms, pills, sponges etc. make money. OBGYN's make money when you go to them so that you can have your "freedom" to have sex.
I put freedom in quotes because I don't call being afraid of AIDS, STD's, etc. while having sex "freedom". One monogomous relationship is true freedom- any time, any where, and no worries.

Also, I do not think we should measure success by "pregnancy rates" and "STD rates". You can ruin your life and commit great regrets without ever becoming pregnant or getting one STD. This is risky behavior with or without contraceptives. What should be #1 is your attitude toward respecting yourself and others. But our culture promotes a "me, myself and I" feel-good attitude.

I know there are holes in this message, but it is what I think. And it is in the minority. Thank your for respecting my opinion.


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I'm not sure what this program involves, but this I believe:

Abstinence before marraige is God's way, it's not easy, but it's best. Anything else is fornication and sin.

Condoms are not the way to go, we should teach our kids the truth that they DO NOT fully protect against disease or pregnancy.
(eg. the AIDS virus is much smaller than the holes in the material condoms are made from).

I'm proud of my eldest daughter (21) who is still a virgin and intends to remain that way until her wedding night.


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