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Posted: 08-Jul-2008, 11:14 AM
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It just dawned on me, a MacNaughton budding into the Campbells topic!!!!!!!!

Now if I could just find were you keep the cows and chickens!!!

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I was just looking at my Clan map. You poor buggers caught between the Campbell and the MacArthur. It's a wonder you survived. BTW. The MacArthur have the sheep and chickens. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

I was looking at some old marraige records from Scotland that are now available online and was amazed to see how many MacNaughton, Campbell intermarraiages there were. I guess if you are neighbors, you either marry your cousin or you look at another clan across the ways a bit.
Clan MacNaughton did take a beating in Scotland and finally left to Ireland after losing all of their ancestral lands. Not to say you can't find any still there though.

USN; You also realize that they had a quaint custom of stealing women in those golden days of yore.


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Posted: 08-Jul-2008, 12:15 PM
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It just dawned on me, a MacNaughton budding into the Campbells topic!!!!!!!!

Now if I could just find were you keep the cows and chickens!!!

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I was just looking at my Clan map. You poor buggers caught between the Campbell and the MacArthur. It's a wonder you survived. BTW. The MacArthur have the sheep and chickens. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

I was looking at some old marraige records from Scotland that are now available online and was amazed to see how many MacNaughton, Campbell intermarraiages there were. I guess if you are neighbors, you either marry your cousin or you look at another clan across the ways a bit.
Clan MacNaughton did take a beating in Scotland and finally left to Ireland after losing all of their ancestral lands. Not to say you can't find any still there though.

USN; You also realize that they had a quaint custom of stealing women in those golden days of yore.


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Women, children, goats, sheep, cattle, chickens, geese and all manner of items from wooden beams for your roof to utensils and everything in between.

I was just reading that it was a bigger crime to not assist in the recover of stolen goods than it was to actually steal the goods. Stealing was an accepted practice across the board. Apparenty this is where the phrase "Hot to Trod" originates from.
A Campbell steals a MacNaughton cow, the MacNaughtons give chase and stop at your cottage and ask for your assistance in chasing down the thief, if you did not join in Hot to Trod, you could legally be struck down on the spot.

Today Hot to trot has sexual overtones to it, but refers to being ready and willing , eager to partake.

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Posted: 08-Jul-2008, 01:58 PM
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USN; MY Dad once told me a story, whether it is true or not, of how the MacArthurs' a neighbouring clans Kirk.


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Posted: 10-Jul-2008, 12:05 PM
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USN; MY Dad once told me a story, whether it is true or not, of how the MacArthurs' a neighbouring clans Kirk.


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Camac you mean stole the whole kirk??!!
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USN;  MY Dad once told me a story, whether it is true or not, of how the MacArthurs' a neighbouring clans Kirk.


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Camac you mean stole the whole kirk??!!

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According to the story,which no one knows is true or not, the MacArthurs not only stole the Kirk stone by stone, but the priest also. Had the whole thing carried back to their lands and rebuilt. Now knowing the MacArthurs as I do I could well believe they would do this. My Dad , after the war went to Inverrary in Scotland looking for his roots and in the town library when he asked the librarian for help she answered :What would you be wanting with that gang of robbers, looters and rapers". When he told her he was a MacArthur she left him standing there.


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you're damn right we stole your kirk, although what we'd want a priest for is beyond me, and we'd do it again. lol

You know now that I think about it, I've only met on Campbell that I've ever really gotten on with...maybe it's genetic...no offence or anything- it's just my family seems to excelle at holding grudges FOREVER dry.gif what a family legacy that is...blah.


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Posted: 11-Jul-2008, 07:32 AM
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QUOTE (0Ash0Tree0 @ 10-Jul-2008, 10:30 PM)
you're damn right we stole your kirk, although what we'd want a priest for is beyond me, and we'd do it again.  lol

You know now that I think about it, I've only met on Campbell that I've ever really gotten on with...maybe it's genetic...no offence or anything- it's just my family seems to excelle at holding grudges FOREVER dry.gif  what a family legacy that is...blah.

OAshOTreeO;

One must remember that at the time of this alledged larcenous act the clans were newly converted to Catholicism and what use a Kirk without a Priest. Its a good thing there was a Convent attached to the Kirk. rolleyes.gif

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Posted: 11-Jul-2008, 11:33 AM
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laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif Boy, the Campbells and the MacArthurs sure are a cantankerous group, eh!!!!!!! and 0Ash0Tree0, you with MacNaughten blood too!!
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QUOTE (UlsterScotNutt @ 11-Jul-2008, 11:33 AM)
laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif Boy, the Campbells and the MacArthurs sure are a cantankerous group, eh!!!!!!! and 0Ash0Tree0, you with MacNaughten blood too!!
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When you consider that the Campbells are an offshoot of the MacArthurs I guess that is to be expected. Hey maybe the Kirk was the MacNaughtons'. rolleyes.gif laugh.gif cheers.gif


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you should meet my family laugh.gif eh, their not that bad. But your right Camac we should get back on topic...I have found nothing new... sad.gif
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QUOTE (0Ash0Tree0 @ 13-Jul-2008, 06:22 AM)
you should meet my family laugh.gif eh, their not that bad. But your right Camac we should get back on topic...I have found nothing new... sad.gif

To get back on subject, I believe Amergin was enquiring into the Campbell Clann.
There are four main branches of the Campbells, Argyle, Breadalbane, Loudon, and Cawdor. Breadalbane is the senior branch and the Dukedom of Argyle usually springs from that branch. Argyle, Breadalbane, and Loudon all sit within Argyllshire whereas Cawdor is located mainly to the North and east. In order to really trace ones family you have to first determine which branch you stem from. Each branch has its following of septs. In searching for the history of Clann Campbell you will find that there is argument as to who is a sept of whom when int comes to the Campbell-MacArthur relationship. Even the renowned historian Skene, in my opinion, got it wrong and places the Campbells as senior. The history of the MacArthurs' goes back long before the Campbells show up. Even to-day the argument persist but it seems the evidence is pointing more to the MacArthur Clann. As the saying in Argyleshire goes "There is Nothing Older,unless the Hills, MacArthur, or the Devil".


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Has anyone here participated in any DNA projects?

Ex: http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_det.a...?group=Campbell

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QUOTE (UlsterScotNutt @ 13-Jul-2008, 08:59 AM)
Has anyone here participated in any DNA projects?

Ex: http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_det.a...?group=Campbell

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No. Bit hesitant as I might find out I'm more English than Scot and then I would have to end it all death.gif rip_1.gif lol.gif lol.gif lol.gif
               
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Did anyone see the program "Battle of the Clans" on the history international channel?

I found it very interesting but didn't know if it was accurate. The DVD is available for sale but I would like someone's opinion before I buy.

Could someone also give me direction for researching ancestry for the surname Flora? Finding it difficult to weed through all ladies by the first name of Flora.

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QUOTE (flora @ 14-Jul-2008, 07:59 PM)
Did anyone see the program "Battle of the Clans" on the history international channel?

I found it very interesting but didn't know if it was accurate. The DVD is available for sale but I would like someone's opinion before I buy.

Could someone also give me direction for researching ancestry for the surname Flora? Finding it difficult to weed through all ladies by the first name of Flora.

Thanks,

Flora

Flora;

The only thing I can think of is to Google "Surname Flora" and see what results you get.


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