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Posted: 19-Jul-2004, 08:36 AM
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While the research so far is inconclusive, Volkow believes that cannabinoids affect the developing brain and that stronger pot, combined with earlier use, could make children and teens anxious, unmotivated or perhaps even psychotic.


First of all the research so far is inconclusive that ends any logical debate right there secondly they may become unmotivated or psychotic. I LIKE my psychos unmotivated. Yes I do disagree with minors using drugs though but once they reach the age of majority they should be able to burn off all of the brain cells they want to within limits (e.g. not operating a motor vehicle).






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Stronger Pot May Make Reefer Madness Real, U.S. Fears



By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Alarmed by reports that marijuana is becoming more potent than ever and that children are trying it at younger and younger ages, U.S. officials are changing their drug policies.

Pot is no longer the gentle weed of the 1960s and may pose a greater threat than cocaine or even heroin because so many more people use it. So officials at the National Institutes of Health (news - web sites) and at the White House are hoping to shift some of the focus in research and enforcement from "hard" drugs such as cocaine and heroin to marijuana.


While drug use overall is falling among children and teens, the officials worry that the children who are trying pot are doing so at ever-younger ages, when their brains and bodies are vulnerable to dangerous side effects.


"Most people have been led to believe that marijuana is a soft drug, not a drug that causes serious problems," John Walters, head of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, said in an interview.


"(But) marijuana today is a much more serious problem than the vast majority of Americans understand. If you told people that one in five of 12- to 17-year-olds who ever used marijuana in their lives need treatment, I don't think people would remotely understand it."


JUMP IN POT-RELATED DETOX


The number of children and teen-agers in treatment for marijuana dependence and abuse has jumped 142 percent since 1992, the National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia University reported in April.


According to the report, children and teens are three times more likely to be in treatment for marijuana abuse than for alcohol, and six times likelier to be in treatment for marijuana than for all other illegal drugs combined.


And it found the age of youths using marijuana is falling. The teens aged 12 to 17 said on average they started trying marijuana at 13-1/2. The same survey found that adults aged 18 to 25 had first tried it at 16.


For National Institute on Drug Abuse director Dr. Nora Volkow the final straw was a report her institute published in May in the Journal of the American Medical Association (news - web sites) showing the steady growth in the potency of cannabis seized in raids.


According to the University of Mississippi's Marijuana Potency Project, average levels of THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, rose steadily from 3.5 percent in 1988 to more than 7 percent in 2003.


Volkow said many studies have shown the brain has its own so-called endogenous cannabinoids. These molecules are similar in structure to the active ingredients in marijuana and are involved in a range of activities and emotions ranging from eye function to pain regulation and anxiety.


GETTING INTO THE BRAIN


Brain cells have receptors -- molecular doorways -- designed specifically to interact with these cannabinoids.


The cannabinoids in marijuana may use these ready-made doorways into brain cells and this is why they cause a high and reduce pain sensations. But Volkow believes the effects may go beyond the general feeling of well-being that most marijuana users seek.


"I would predict that stronger pot makes the brain less likely to respond to endogenous cannabinoids," Volkow said in an interview. The effects could be especially marked in young brains still growing and learning how to respond to stimuli, she said.


While the research so far is inconclusive, Volkow believes that cannabinoids affect the developing brain and that stronger pot, combined with earlier use, could make children and teens anxious, unmotivated or perhaps even psychotic.

 



As an analogy, Volkow said opiate addicts are more sensitive to pain, as their overuse of drugs have raised the threshold at which the body responds and their own bodies produce fewer natural opiates.

NIDA is seeking proposals from researchers who want to investigate such possibilities for cannabis, she said.

Proponents of legalizing marijuana disagree with the official line. Krissy Oechslin of the Marijuana Policy Project disputes the finding that cannabis products are stronger.

"They make it sound like the THC levels in marijuana were almost nonexistent, but no one would have smoked it then if that was true," she said.

"And there's evidence that the stronger the THC, the less of it a person smokes. I don't want to say it's good for you, but I'll say (more potent marijuana) is less bad for you."

While Walters stresses that drug abusers are patients and not criminals, he hopes to crack down more on producers. And he says, there is a way to go in getting cooperation from local law enforcement officials. "For many in enforcement, marijuana is still 'kiddie dope'," Walters said.

Walters is quick to stress he does not want to overreact.

"We shouldn't be victims of reefer madness," he said, referring to the 1930s propaganda film "Reefer Madness" that became a 1970s cult classic for its over-the-top scenes of marijuana turning teens into homicidal maniacs.




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Posted: 19-Jul-2004, 09:54 AM
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Reefer madness was 250% anti-drug propaganda put out by the US government to try and scare parents into locking their kids in their bedrooms at night and scare kids away from 'going loco' on the pot.

If you actually study the chemicals and effects, (both short term and long term), and come to scientifically founded conclusions about why THC is so harmful (if it actually is that harmful) then they'd get somewhere. Todays cynical generation of youth can see through the propaganda smoke screen better than any other, thanks to the conspiracy theory becoming so popular. You'll notice the new anti-drug television campaign is once again relying on ideals and parental control, rather than cold hard facts and statistics. Seems they'll never learn.

The anti-smoking campaign uses actual research on the harmful effects of tobacco, and is much more respected for it. I'm all for 'let your neighbour do as his wishes, as long as he harms no one else', but if there is going to be an anti-drug campaign, at least go about it in a respectful way. Telling us, you'll go loco is an insult to our intelligence.

It's about time they started doing real research on this sort of thing. We need to know what this is doing to our bodies. Especially those of us who partake.

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Hey! Where was this really strong weed in the '60s, when I needed it? sad.gif


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Posted: 19-Jul-2004, 11:28 AM
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They're saying weed was weaker in the 60's, but I don't know how they could know that, since they weren't doing any serious testing of the drug back then. unsure.gif

But it's the same as alcohol. You drink a lot more beer than you do whiskey, right? The higher the THC content, the less you hoot.
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Posted: 19-Jul-2004, 06:06 PM
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QUOTE (oldraven @ 19-Jul-2004, 11:28 AM)
They're saying weed was weaker in the 60's, but I don't know how they could know that, since they weren't doing any serious testing of the drug back then. unsure.gif

But it's the same as alcohol. You drink a lot more beer than you do whiskey, right? The higher the THC content, the less you hoot.

They smoked it then and they smoke it now! Does that count as testing? tongue.gif
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QUOTE (maisky @ 19-Jul-2004, 06:06 PM)
QUOTE (oldraven @ 19-Jul-2004, 11:28 AM)
They're saying weed was weaker in the 60's, but I don't know how they could know that, since they weren't doing any serious testing of the drug back then. unsure.gif

But it's the same as alcohol. You drink a lot more beer than you do whiskey, right? The higher the THC content, the less you hoot.

The smoked it then and they smoke it now! Does that count as testing? tongue.gif

Sounds very logical to me... smile.gif


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Posted: 19-Jul-2004, 08:21 PM
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I heard Amsterdam is suposed to be wrangling in their smokers, with the same arguement that it is "stronger now" therefore more dangerous. Germany is complaining that too many of their people hop on the train get stoned an come back. As a Libertarian I say as long as their not driving who really cares and why.

The worst thing that they are doing is keeping the Super quickie mark empolyees busy at the slushee machine.

In fact I believe stoners are GOOD for the economy here is why.

1. Their buying a product without paying taxes (in the words of the Bush people) tax cuts are good for the economy.

2. They keep millions in the snack food industry working including American farmers where else do you think they get all of that high fructose corn syrup crap that they put into all foods.

3. They keep crime down by being high and apathetic. They become too laidback to be criminals and even if they do they are impared in their ability therefore making them less successful at criminal activities.

4. They are kind and always share I never met anyone with a stash that wasn't willing to cut someone in.

5. They are too paranoid to brake other laws (on a side not would they feel paranoid if it was not illegal? unsure.gif

I could go on and on except for the fact that they do one illegal thing they are among our most model citizens.
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QUOTE (maisky @ 19-Jul-2004, 11:11 AM)
Hey! Where was this really strong weed in the '60s, when I needed it? sad.gif

thought you guys soaked your hippie king.gif lettuce in LSD?
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Rent the movie Reefer Madness. Pretty damn funny stuff. king.gif
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Posted: 24-Jul-2004, 05:02 PM
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QUOTE (peckery @ 23-Jul-2004, 11:05 AM)
thought you guys soaked your hippie king.gif lettuce in LSD?

No, the LSD was taken seperately. biggrin.gif THAT was when you had 12 hours free.
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QUOTE (Annabelle @ 24-Jul-2004, 05:06 PM)
Do you guys have any brain cells left?

Brain cells? what's that? unsure.gif
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I haven't smoked pot for 10+ years, and here's the reasons why. #1 Religious. I feel a strong conviction in my heart when I got high the last few times. Although I don't think pot is as bad as alcohol, which I currently still use on occasion, it still gives me a feeling that I am letting God down, that I'm in the wrong condition to meet him face to face. #2 Cost. I don't see the sense in spending $40-$50 on a bag of herbs that are just going up in smoke. #3 Drug testing. As a truck driver I get tested randomly several times a year. How would I explain losing my job or license to my family, all over a little weed?

That being said, I don't see a single thing wrong with it outside of the social stigma that has been placed on it. I feel this may highly contribute to the feelings I got when I last smoked as they pertain to God. The Bible says that He gave to us every herb to be used. But He also warns us to be sober. So you tell me. Is a person on pot not sober? I've asked many people this question.........If you needed emergency surgery and only had your choice of a drunk doctor and a stoned one, which would you choose? The answer is always the one that's been toking it up. I think we can all agree that it would be better to have your stitches done in artistic cross-stitch patterns than to have a pair of forceps sewn into your chest cavity.


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