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> Are Thoughts As Bad As Deeds?
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peckery 
Posted: 01-Jul-2004, 09:11 PM
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I have heard it said many times that your thoughts destroy you as much as your deeds. I don't want to go down the yellow brick road of psychobabble here, but are we as good as our deeds or as guilty as our deepest thoughts. king.gif
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Posted: 01-Jul-2004, 09:35 PM
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I think no. I feel that yes, one may have bad thoughts; but the controll of those thoughts is what redeems us. For example say this one fellah wants to go out and shoot people, he knows it is wrong but he does it anyways, he kills 16 people including his wife and mother and injures 30. That was Charles Whitman the UT tower sniper if he had been able to controll his self he could have gone on being an above average student and eventually dying of the brain tumor he had, in obscurity. Now I do feel that there are some psychic injuries, but they fade as do physical injuries only leaving mental scars.

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Posted: 01-Jul-2004, 09:42 PM
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Matthew 5:28 says "But I say unto you, that whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."


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I believe the same as birddog. We cannot always control our thoughts, but we can control how/if we act upon them.


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ISAIAH 55:8

"For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Neither are your ways My ways," declares the Lord.

MATTHEW 15:19

"For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slander."

2 CORINTHIANS 10:5

.......we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ.


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Posted: 02-Jul-2004, 02:03 PM
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It's not a good thing to think of ill will toward someone. The above biblical quotes come to mind (Perticularly the first one). But sometimes I do have Racist, Sexist, Murderous, or similar thoughts cross my mind. I try not to give characters in these scenes a name. At least without an identity, then it's not against anyone and the bad karma can filter off into oblivion just leaving me feeling bad about even thinking such a thing. I try not to let any of that show, because it's not who I am. I'd rather only myself get hurt, than myself and someone else because of ill thoughts that invade my mind from time to time.


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Posted: 02-Jul-2004, 02:33 PM
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I tend to agree with birddog. We are all human(even sock monkeys) and we are weak. We think impure and bad things sometimes. This can be seen as a test of our strength or a sign of our weakness.
Bad thoughts, impure thoughts, and just plain mean thoughts come and go all the time. It is up to us to push them out of our mind before we dwell on them. It is the dwelling that may lead us down the road to temptation and to acting on whatever that thought might be. And there are the thoughts that we may bring about ourselves. Looking at another member of the opposite sex and thinking things is one example. We can avoid these by removing ourselves from situations where we may tend to think as such. I know that is easier said than done sometimes.
In conclusion , thoughts only destroy us if we allow them to monopolize our time and allow them to become manifest in our actions. In overcoming the thoughts we may have, we all take one step closer to becoming who we need to be.

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Posted: 02-Jul-2004, 03:41 PM
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As far as just the person who thinks a thought is concerned, I would say that I believe that yes, a thought is as bad as a deed, which is why the Bible instructs us to brings every thought under subjection.

However when the thinker involves another person, no. A thought only hurts the person who thinks it. But when you start involving other people then the deed becomes worse than the thought, becuaes it no longer involves just the person who thought it in the first place.

Does that make sense? unsure.gif I'm not the best at expressing my thoughts in writing.
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Posted: 02-Jul-2004, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE (urian @ 02-Jul-2004, 02:33 PM)
I tend to agree with birddog. We are all human(even sock monkeys) and we are weak.

I think you have really crossed the line here Urian...I mean come on...Sock Monkeys???? tongue.gif

I often wonder just what exactly people are thinking unsure.gif

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QUOTE (Raven @ 02-Jul-2004, 04:03 PM)
I often wonder just what exactly people are thinking unsure.gif

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I don't. It can be a scarey place(the mind) and the mind of others is not a place I care to go. Heck, I get lost just changing trains of thought in my own mind! biggrin.gif

And,in hindsight, I did step over the line. I hope the sockmonkeys of the worl will find it in their hearts to forgive and forget..I'd hate to get stalked by a sock..what was that noise? unsure.gif
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Posted: 03-Jul-2004, 10:35 PM
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ROFL.....I think the Ninja sock monkeys are after you!
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Posted: 04-Jul-2004, 01:19 AM
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What do sock monkeys have to do with this conversation? Maintain focus my friends. This isn't about sock monkeys, it's about which is worse between thoughts and actions. wink.gif
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Posted: 04-Jul-2004, 05:49 AM
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Thoughts are just as bad as deeds when your wife reads them. Mine is telepathic. biggrin.gif

From a Buddhist perspective, we constantly make causes with our thoughts, our words and our actions. We reap the results of the causes in the effects that come from them. One of the goals of my practice is to try to have SOME control over all three of these.

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O'siyo,
My opinion only of course smile.gif ..No, I do not believe that my thoughts are as bad as an actual deed~ A thought, if mine, is just that..my thought and my thought does not harm nor affect others unless I act upon it hence it becoming a deed~~ If that thought is of evil or wrong intention and I end up 'acting' out that deed well, I must pay the consequences~ No one caused me to commit a bad deed just as no one is responsible for me having a 'bad' thought..
As far as someone looking at another person, same or opposite sex, and 'thinking' to themself how attractive that person is, do I think that is wrong? NO..we are human and to admire others, I believe, is natural~I have great admiration for others in many ways and if I see a nice looking man and think 'wow, I really would like to meet him' or 'wow, he has a nice butt' then I don't think I am going to be 'damned' for that thought nor do I feel I have done anything wrong~
I don't believe a thought, good or bad, is anything like an actual good or bad deed~ cool.gif When it comes right down to it, the one having the thought, good or bad, is the only one with the power to keep it as a thought or act upon it~ To me there is a big difference~
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Look, I don't hope that having bad thoughts is thought the same...
My god, there would not be many who would not have sinned.
The next step would be to arrest everyone having a bad thought.

Reminds me of a startrek episode.
Thats what actually happend in that episode.

Now there is however a difference between bad thoughts and wishing something bad happens to someone.
The latter is I think a wee bit worse...If not much worse.

But I also believe in what you do, will come back times 3.



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