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Posted: 13-May-2004, 09:38 AM
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I know I'm sliding off topic here, but I have struggled with this. We have four children to provide for on a limited income. I may be wrong, but I always felt that God gave me these incredible little people to raise into adults. That in this point in time - they are my main responsibility. Their basic needs are my first priority. Many times that has meant we didn't have any money to give to church. I can't help but believe God is OK with that. And if I am wrong, I believe He will forgive me.


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QUOTE (Elspeth @ May 13 2004, 08:38 AM)
I know I'm sliding off topic here, but I have struggled with this. We have four children to provide for on a limited income. I may be wrong, but I always felt that God gave me these incredible little people to raise into adults. That in this point in time - they are my main responsibility. Their basic needs are my first priority. Many times that has meant we didn't have any money to give to church. I can't help but believe God is OK with that. And if I am wrong, I believe He will forgive me.

Elspeth,

I don't think you are wrong. God owns the universe and he doesn't need our money. I believe giving into the work of the Lord is established so that we can have a part in what God is doing in the lives of others---Charity work, etc., etc. But I don't believe God would want you to allow your children to go hungry or do without so a organization can spend your money.

Ravenwing,

As to those televangelists who hored or pander money through manipulation, I believe is one of the worst "Sins". It is these "types" that have hurt the cause of Christ and tarnished the image of Christianity. I apologize for their horrible behavior.

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Posted: 14-May-2004, 01:09 PM
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Luke 20, verses 46 and 47 seem strangely appropriate.

"Be on guard against the scribes, who like to go around in long robes and love greetings in marketplaces, seats of honor in synagogues, and places of honor at banquets.
They devour the houses of widows and, as a pretext, recite lengthy prayers. They will receive a very severe condemnation."


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QUOTE (RavenWing @ May 13 2004, 09:13 AM)
The funny thing is, I have no problem with someone benefitting from the hard work of others, I just have a problem with people neglecting theor responsibilities.

Hmmm I guess I didn't say that right unsure.gif big suprise tongue.gif

I'm sorry that these people are taking hard earned wages from good hearted honest working class people under false pretenses.

Like Leo said and like Roisen said. I think that they will get justice in the end.

Still sorry you had to go through that Ravenwing sad.gif


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QUOTE (Elspeth @ May 13 2004, 10:38 AM)
I know I'm sliding off topic here, but I have struggled with this. We have four children to provide for on a limited income. I may be wrong, but I always felt that God gave me these incredible little people to raise into adults. That in this point in time - they are my main responsibility. Their basic needs are my first priority. Many times that has meant we didn't have any money to give to church. I can't help but believe God is OK with that. And if I am wrong, I believe He will forgive me.

Let me wander even further offtopic.gif :
Mark 12:41-44 (KJV)
41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.
42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.
43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:
44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.

God doesn't judge the amount, but instead he judges the heart of the giver.


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I have a REAL problem with televangelists! I just do not like them at all and I get sick to death of hearing them beg for money! And half of them I do not agree with scripturally anyway.

RavenWing! don't forget about the pink haired lady either...lol I forget who she is the wife of! They are on Trinity Broadcast! Her outfits embarrass me to no end and that hair!

The only two preachers I listen to on television is Billy Graham and Dr. Charles Stanley.



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QUOTE (CelticRose @ May 21 2004, 03:43 PM)
I have a REAL problem with televangelists! I just do not like them at all and I get sick to death of hearing them beg for money! And half of them I do not agree with scripturally anyway.

RavenWing! don't forget about the pink haired lady either...lol I forget who she is the wife of! They are on Trinity Broadcast! Her outfits embarrass me to no end and that hair!

The only two preachers I listen to on television is Billy Graham and Dr. Charles Stanley.

Hey Rose those are the only ones I watch as well. I've shook my head so many times at the Christian women with the Big hair and Big make-up eyes. We are suppose to be representives of Christ down here---not a side show at a Carnival.
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QUOTE (Roisin-Teagan @ May 22 2004, 12:25 PM)
QUOTE (CelticRose @ May 21 2004, 03:43 PM)
I have a REAL problem with televangelists! I just do not like them at all and I get sick to death of hearing them beg for money!  And half of them I do not agree with  scripturally anyway.

RavenWing! don't forget about the pink haired lady either...lol I forget who she is the wife of!  They are on Trinity Broadcast! Her outfits embarrass me to no end and that hair! 

The only two preachers I listen to on television is Billy Graham and Dr. Charles Stanley.

Hey Rose those are the only ones I watch as well. I've shook my head so many times at the Christian women with the Big hair and Big make-up eyes. We are suppose to be representives of Christ down here---not a side show at a Carnival.

Isn't that the truth, Roisin! I am embarrassed sometimes of what our Christian brothers and sister do sometimes before the world.
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The only tv preacher I ever really liked was Billy Graham - didn't he rock! Poor guy, his health is getting bad now (doesn't he have Parkinson's disease!) and he's not preaching as much but I hope he'll continue to write.

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QUOTE (Siobhan Blues @ 03-Jul-2004, 01:53 PM)
The only tv preacher I ever really liked was Billy Graham - didn't he rock! Poor guy, his health is getting bad now (doesn't he have Parkinson's disease!) and he's not preaching as much but I hope he'll continue to write.

Agree that Billy Graham is the best of the lot. I am afraid that his writing is going to be hard going in the future. He can dictate to assistants, because physical manipulation is difficult, if not dangerous.

My mother has developed Parkinson's in the last year. She can no longer take care of herself physically. My father has to feed her and hold onto her when she walks without a walker. She has fallen twice. The first time she lost several teeth and has needed reconstructive surgery. The second time she broke her wrist. She cannot use a walker until the cast/splint comes off. It is a dreadful condition, to see a active mind locked in a body that cannot function.




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Oh Dilfus! I am so very very sorry to hear this about your mother. It must be so very difficult to see this. I lost my mother last week and I know a wee bit about your grief. There is nothing like your mother, no matter the relationship.
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QUOTE (Siobhan Blues @ 03-Jul-2004, 02:53 PM)
The only tv preacher I ever really liked was Billy Graham - didn't he rock!
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I agree. Billy Graham is one of the few whom I trust


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My sister-in-law said she read that Billy Graham doesn't have Parkinsons---it was misdiagnosed. What he does have was cured or treated with medication.

He is the best, and really the only real televangelist. He keeps it simple---just the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
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Wow! That is really great news about Billy Graham. I hope he has been cured of whatever he had. Don't see too much of him these days though, must be because of his age. I wonder if his son Franklin will start preaching in his place. He is wonderful too.
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