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Posted: 30-Dec-2004, 01:48 PM
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Monday an audio tape purportedly from al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, aired Monday urging Iraqis to boycott January parliamentary polls and saying anyone who takes part would be an "infidel."

Anyone who dismisses the importance of the upcoming Iraqi elections need only listen to Reverend bin Laden's urgent plea for a boycott. Osama praised the atrocities of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a hands-on executioner, and welcomed his collaboration in efforts to block the balloting.

Think about this one for a moment. What other religious leader would condemn a vote by the people and threaten death against anyone that would actually vote?

What other religious leader would praise a person that kills innocent civilians?

Convinced that men and women must be governed fiercely from above, the terrorists are the gory religious incarnation of thousands of years of tyranny. Their god is an earthbound savage dictator.

Osama possesses no religious authority to condemn Iraqis for voting. Pretending to revere Islamic tradition, he and his fellow terrorists make up the rules as they go. Their Islam is a primitive blood-cult.

The upcoming vote in Iraq will be messy, at best. Sunni Arabs may stay home, intimidated by terror and poisoned by demagoguery. But that would no more invalidate the election results than a boycott by college professors would negate the legitimacy of a U.S. election. In a democracy, those who lack the courage or will to vote must bow to the ballots of those who take a stand.

Will other Arab governments ? terrified of democracy themselves ? condemn the results no matter how much courage Iraqis demonstrate?

The only thing of which we may be certain is that our deadliest enemies are doing all they can to stop Iraq's elections. It's the one goal on which the various terrorist factions and insurgent groups agree. If the liberals needed any further proof that our struggle against terror is about human freedom and the dignity of the common man and woman, our enemies are laying it in front of us. It is they that are creating terrorism, not the US.


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QUOTE (Shamalama @ 30-Dec-2004, 12:48 PM)
What other religious leader would praise a person that kills innocent civilians?

Jerry Falwell, every time he praises Dubya.

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And that's why I could never be a liberal.

I was always under the assumption that it was the terrorists that started all of this.
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QUOTE (Shamalama @ 30-Dec-2004, 01:53 PM)
And that's why I could never be a liberal.

I was always under the assumption that it was the terrorists that started all of this.

You a liberal? Nah you can't be a cracker and a liberal at the same time! laugh.gif I can speak with some authority on this subject, since a large segment of my mother's family is in N. Alabama. They fit the term "cracker". rolleyes.gif
It just wouldn't be any FUN if we agreed on stuff, Brother S.! thumbs_up.gif


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It appears that Bush and his ultra-conservative masters are intent on GENERATING world war III. The worlds WORST terrorists are at the head of the US government.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Bush administration has been carrying out secret reconnaissance missions to learn about nuclear, chemical and missile sites in Iran in preparation for possible airstrikes there, journalist Seymour Hersh said Sunday.

The effort has been under way at least since last summer, Hersh said on CNN's "Late Edition."

In an interview on the same program, White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett said the story was "riddled with inaccuracies."

"I don't believe that some of the conclusions he's drawing are based on fact," Bartlett said.

Iran has refused to dismantle its nuclear program, which it insists is legal and is intended solely for civilian purposes. (Full story)

Hersh said U.S. officials were involved in "extensive planning" for a possible attack -- "much more than we know."

"The goal is to identify and isolate three dozen, and perhaps more, such targets that could be destroyed by precision strikes and short-term commando raids," he wrote in "The New Yorker" magazine, which published his article in editions that will be on newsstands Monday.

Hersh is a veteran journalist who was the first to write about many details of the abuses of prisoners Abu Ghraib in Baghdad.

He said his information on Iran came from "inside" sources who divulged it in the hope that publicity would force the administration to reconsider.

"I think that's one of the reasons some of the people on the inside talk to me," he said.

Hersh said the government did not answer his request for a response before the story's publication, and that his sources include people in government whose information has been reliable in the past.

Hersh said Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld view Bush's re-election as "a mandate to continue the war on terrorism," despite problems with the U.S.-led war in Iraq.

Last week, the effort to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq -- the Bush administration's stated primary rationale for the war -- was halted after having come up empty.

The secret missions in Iran, Hersh said, have been authorized in order to prevent similar embarrassment in the event of military action there. (Full story)

"The planning for Iran is going ahead even though Iraq is a mess," Hersh said. "I think they really think there's a chance to do something in Iran, perhaps by summer, to get the intelligence on the sites."

He added, "The guys on the inside really want to do this."

Hersh identified those inside people as the "neoconservative" civilian leadership in the Pentagon. That includes Rumsfeld, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and Undersecretary of Defense Doug Feith -- "the sort of war hawks that we talk about in connection with the war in Iraq."

And he said the preparation goes beyond contingency planning and includes detailed plans for air attacks:

"The next step is Iran. It's definitely there. They're definitely planning ... But they need the intelligence first."

Emphasizing 'diplomatic initiatives'
Bartlett said the United States is working with its European allies to help persuade Iran not to pursue nuclear weapons.

Asked if military action is an option should diplomacy fail, Bartlett said, "No president at any juncture in history has ever taken military options off the table."

But Bush "has shown that he believes we can emphasize the diplomatic initiatives that are under way right now," he said.

Hersh said U.S. officials believe that a U.S. attack on Iran might provoke an uprising by Iranians against the hard-line religious leaders who run the government. Similar arguments were made ahead of the invasion of Iraq, when administration officials predicted U.S. troops would be welcomed as liberators.

And Hersh said administration officials have chosen not to include conflicting points of view in their deliberations -- such as predictions that any U.S. attack would provoke a wave of nationalism that would unite Iranians against the United States.

"As people say to me, when it comes to meetings about this issue, if you don't drink the Kool-Aid, you can't go to meetings," he said. "That isn't a message anybody wants to hear."

The plans are not limited to Iran, he said.

"The president assigned a series of findings and executive orders authorizing secret commando groups and other special forces units to conduct covert operations against suspected terrorist targets in as many as 10 nations in the Middle East and South Asia," he wrote.

Under the secret plans, the war on terrorism would be led by the Pentagon, and the power of the CIA would be reduced, Hersh wrote in his article.

"It's sort of a great victory for Donald Rumsfeld, a bureaucratic victory," Hersh told CNN.

He said: "Since the summer of 2002, he's been advocating, 'Let me run this war, not the CIA. We can do it better. We'll send our boys in. We don't have to tell their local military commanders. We don't have to tell the ambassadors. We don't have to tell the CIA station chiefs in various countries. Let's go in and work with the bad guys and see what we can find out.'"

Hersh added that the administration has chipped away at the CIA's power and that newly appointed CIA Director Porter Goss has overseen a purge of the old order.

"He's been committing sort-of ordered executions'" Hersh said. "He's been -- you know, people have been fired, they've been resigning."

The target of the housecleaning at the CIA, he said, has been intelligence analysts, some of whom are seen as "apostates -- as opposed to being true believers."
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Why does Bush think that spreading our troops even thinner than they already are is a good thing?

Also, I think that when the US government wants to oust other countries' leaders, instead of setting up a puppet government, they should set up a Muppet government biggrin.gif .

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Posted: 17-Jan-2005, 08:15 PM
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Mike, this has to be the BEST suggestion that I have yet to see here in the Political Mosh Pit!! thumbs_up.gif They can't be any worse than OUR current government.
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"The Bush administration has been carrying out secret reconnaissance missions to learn about nuclear, chemical and missile sites in Iran in preparation for possible airstrikes there, journalist Seymour Hersh said Sunday."



Oh my heavens. EVERY administration since George Washington has been carrying secret reconnaissance missions to learn about just about everything they can about just every other government on the globe.

And a "journalist" says it's "all about preparation for possible airstrikes"? Geez, then it's got to be true, because I've never known any journalist to bend the truth.

Now we all know that Iran is playing with nukes. We all know that the UN is powerless to do anything about it. We all know that Europe is not going to do anything about it.

President Bush said on Monday he would not rule out military action against Iran if that country was not more forthcoming about its suspected nuclear weapons program.

"I hope we can solve it diplomatically, but I will never take any option off the table," Bush said in an interview with NBC News when asked if he would rule out the potential for military action against Iran "if it continues to stonewall the international community about the existence of its nuclear weapons program."

Iran denies it has been trying to make nuclear weapons and says its nuclear program is geared solely to producing electricity.

OK. So what? We've got people in Iran that either are building nukes, or maybe building nukes, or not building nukes. Do you want to know which one is the correct answer? And once you learn the answer, what would you like to do about it?

I say let's keep snooping. I also think there has to be some sort of dialog between Iran and the US. I have no desire for Iran to be pandered to be the neutered UN. And if we discover that Iran is building and/or selling nukes, then we'll begin a completely different type of dialog.

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So what's going on in merry 'ole England?

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Britain's online imam declares war as he calls young to jihad
By Sean O'Neil and Yaakov Lappin

AN EXTREMIST London cleric is using live broadcasts on the internet to urge young British Muslims to join al-Qaeda and has condoned suicide terrorist attacks. Omar Bakri Mohammed, who has lived in the UK for 18 years on social security benefits, pledged allegiance to Osama bin Laden and told his followers that they were in a state of war with Britain.

The Times monitored Mr Bakri Mohammed?s nightly webcasts in which he declared that the ?covenant of security? under which Muslims live peacefully in the UK had been ?violated? by the Government?s tough anti-terrorist legislation, The Syrian-born radical said: ?I believe the whole of Britain has become Dar ul-Harb (land of war). In such a state, he added, ?the kuffar (non-believer) has no sanctity for their own life or property.?

In his broadcasts, conducted through an internet chatroom, Mr Bakri Mohammed stopped short of calling for terrorist attacks in Britain. But he said that Muslims should join the jihad ?wherever you are? and told one woman that she was permitted to become a suicide bomber.

Last Monday he told his listeners: ?Al-Qaeda and all its branches and organisations of the world, that is the victorious group and they have the emir and you are obliged to join. There is no need . . . to mess about.? Two nights later he said that the voices of dead Mujahidin were calling young Britons to fight. ?These people are calling you and shouting to you from far distant places: al jihad, al jihad. They say to you my dear Muslim brothers, ?Where is your weapon, where is your weapon?? Come on to the jihad,? he said.

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Terror recruitment on the rise in Europe

By Lisa Myers & the NBC investigative unit
Updated: 7:44 p.m. ET Jan. 25, 2005

In France, Tuesday, security agents detained seven people suspected of helping funnel Islamic militants into Iraq. In Mainz, Germany, this weekend, police arrested an alleged al-Qaida operative who is also accused of recruiting for Iraq. He is alleged to be a key al-Qaida recruiter who was living in an apartment building on a quiet street. Also arrested: a Palestinian allegedly headed to fight in Iraq.

U.S. officials tell NBC News that the recruiter, Ibrahim Mohammed Khalil, is an al-Qaida facilitator who trained in camps in Afghanistan, fought there after 9/11 and was sent back to Germany. There, both U.S. and German intelligence monitored him.

"He also had contact to the leadership of al-Qaida, including Osama bin Laden," says Kay Nehm, the German federal prosecutor working the case.

Experts say the arrest underscores al-Qaida's interest in the war in Iraq.

"It demonstrates that Europe is the central recruitment ground for al-Qaida when it comes to finding jihadists to fight in Iraq," says NBC terror analyst Roger Cressey.

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Prepare for the Eurabian continent.

Historian Bat Ye?or explains that the European Union has since 1973 been constructing "a whole infrastructure of alliances and economic, industrial, media, cultural, financial bonds with the countries of the Arab League." This new Euro-Muslim entity ? which she has dubbed "Eurabia" ? has been consciously intended to become "a counterweight to American power" on the world stage, "whose aim was to separate and weaken the two continents by an incitement to hostility and the permanent denigration of American policy in the Middle East."

Eurabia is a political and economic entity. Through a succession of international agreements, Europe agreed to support the Islamic world?s political aims ? particularly its anti-Israel stance ? in exchange for favored treatment in Arab world markets.

Europeans encouraged Muslim immigration into Europe, discouraged assimilation of these immigrant populations, and fostered the dissemination in Europe of Islamic perspectives on history and contemporary politics.

Bat Ye?or continues that in exchange for markets in the Islamic world, Europe turned its back on its Judeo-Christian heritage and set the stage for its own Islamization.

Al-Qaeda has adjusted Spain?s foreign policy. Who, and what, are next? The Islamists will not be co-opted. Neither will they become contented citizens of secular Europe in return for shifts in policy toward Israel. Theirs is a revolutionary project, concerned with the transformation of societies. They see, however, the shifting of the European view toward greater hostility to Israel as an important interim goal. Israel's legitimacy, they hope, will be tossed to them as a morsel in return for political and social peace.

Remember Winston Churchill's classic definition of an appeaser: namely, one who feeds a crocodile in the hope that it will eat him last.

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"Muslim Rape Epidemic in Sweden and Norway - Authorities Look the Other Way"

As Robert Spencer has demonstrated, rape can indeed be linked to Islamic teachings of Jihad, and even to the example of Muhammad himself, his Sunna. Above all, it is connected to Islamic notions of the role of women in society, and their behaviour in the public sphere. An Islamic Mufti in Copenhagen sparked a political outcry after publicly declaring that women who refuse to wear headscarves are "asking for rape." Apparently, he isn?t the only Muslim in Europe to think this way:

The German journalist Udo Ulfkotte told in a recent interview that in Holland, you can now see examples of young, unveiled Moroccan women with a so-called "smiley". It means that the girl gets one side of her face cut up from mouth to ear, serving as a warning to other Muslim girls who should refuse to wear the veil. In the Muslim suburb of Courneuve, France, 77 per cent of the veiled women carry veils reportedly because of fear of being harassed or molested by Islamic moral patrols.

An incredibly revealing article that tells us all we need to know about the multiculturalist fetish in Europe and some parts of North America, not to mention the need for change within Islam. Apparently, the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet reported that 65 percent of rapes of Norwegian women were performed by "non-Western" immigrants ? a category that, in Norway, consists mostly of Muslims. The article quoted a professor of social anthropology at the University of Oslo (note: her name is Unni Wikan) as saying that "Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes" because Muslim men found their manner of dress provocative. The professor's conclusion was not that Muslim men living in the West needed to adjust to Western norms, but the exact opposite: "Norwegian women must realize that we live in a multicultural society and adapt themselves to it."

In January 2005, Norwegian media reported that 2004 saw the highest number or rape charges ever recorded in the capital city of Oslo. Strangely enough, there was now no mentioning of how immigrants were grossly overrepresented in rape cases. Why not? Unless there has been a sudden and unexplained drop in the number of immigrants raping Norwegian women between 2001 and 2004, which is unlikely, the statistics should be at least as staggering in 2005 as they were before. If they are not revealed, it can only mean that ?somebody? didn?t like the numbers presented in 2001, and decided to bury them. That ?somebody? must be a person at the very top level in the police, maybe even in the government. If so, that is disquieting. What is even more disquieting is that the media are equally silent about this. How come no journalists are digging into the material? And where are all the professional Feminists, in a Scandinavian nation brimming with them?

The conclusion one may draw from this is that the authorities in Sweden and Norway know about, or should know about, a disturbing amount of Muslim immigrant rapes of native Scandinavian women, yet choose not to make this information known to the public. Perhaps it would be just too politically incorrect to reveal the negative effects of decades of nave immigration policies. Perhaps it would also destroy too many multicultural pipe dreams among the intellectual elites, who have built their current careers and reputations on advocating how culturally and economically enriching this new population mix would be. So in the end, the safety of young Scandinavian women is sacrificed in order to keep the glossy image of a multicultural society intact. It is a chilling demonstration of an Eurabian continent that now appears to care more about not upsetting relations with its immigrant population than about protecting its own citizens.

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Had this occurred to Clinton we'd be seeing tons more coverage, so it's up to me to give you the highlights.

Ahmed Omar Abu Ali is a US citizen charged with conspiring to assassinate President Bush. He was initially listed as "a former Virginia high school valedictorian," making it sound like intelligent, well-grounded people want to kill the President.

Not so.

- He was valedictorian of the Islamic Saudi Academy.
- His father Omar Abu Ali is a naturalized US citizen but works as a systems analyst at the Royal Saudi Arabian Embassy in Washington, DC.
- The web page of the school attended by Ahmed Omar Abu Ali indicates that admissions priority is given to the children of Saudi diplomats.
- The Islamic Saudi Academy is linked at the Saudi Embassy's web page.
- A webpage since removed by the Saudi Embassy but which was cached by Google also claims "The Academy is an independent, non-profit educational institution, funded by the government of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia."
- From the school's course of studies: "In general, the Arabic program follows the curriculum, syllabus, and materials established by the Saudi Ministry of Education."
- This opening line is taken from a book given to first graders at the Islamic Saudi Academy in Alexandria, Virginia: "For the teacher: Explain that all religions, other than Islam, are false, including that of the Jews, Christians, and all others."
- Eleventh-graders at the elite Islamic Saudi Academy are told the Day of Judgment can't come until Jesus Christ returns to Earth, breaks the cross and converts everyone to Islam, and until Muslims start attacking Jews.
- One teenager at the school recited by memory the signs of the coming of the Day of Judgment: "They teach students that whatever is kuffar [non-Muslim], it is okay for you" to hurt or steal from that person."

So here we have a school, protected and shielded, funded and controlled by the Saudi government, teaching their pupils to hate all things non-Muslim. And this is taking place only miles from Washington, DC.

Anyone find this odd?

Anyone see any of this information on the CBS Evening News? Surely if little 'ole me can find this stuff then their crack team of professional journalists can find this as well.
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