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Elspeth 
Posted: 11-Mar-2004, 08:28 AM
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We have a small suburban lot that is heavily shaded by the overmature Oaks, Tulip Poplar, Wild Cherries and a nasty Silver Maple which ring the perimeter. And, if this didn't make growing things hard enough, between the kid's baseball games and the dog who eats everything with a stem, not much exists out there now, including grass.

However, if I were brave enough to attmept the impossible (like growing grass) what would be best to plant? What grass? What shrubs or flowers? I have rhodendrons which do well, except the dog ate them. I have a place that I'd like to be like a little rock garden.

I'd love to have lilacs, peonies, roses - we actually have some what I call cabbage roses that have crept over from the neighbor's yard. I love the old fashioned flowers. Can they grow in the shade? I know nothing about any of this.

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Posted: 11-Mar-2004, 08:32 AM
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I forgot to add I'm in NE Ohio, hard winters, hot summers. Av. of 32" of percipitation a year. Soil is pretty loamy, but on the acid side from the trees.

I have lots of 'natural fertilizer' as well, compliments of my dog.

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Posted: 11-Mar-2004, 09:03 AM
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Elpseth..
There are things you can grow !
I will give this my attetion when I get home..
BAH I have to go to work !

Flowering plants love sun ..
but you can get things that flower BEFORE the trees fill in !
and have lots of shades of green in your deep shade when they do ...

We need to have a cental meeting place..
and do a plant exchange LOL...
I've got some Dragon Blood Sedum that would LOVE your yard..

Have a great day all !

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  Posted: 11-Mar-2004, 05:31 PM
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Elspeth-

You might want to consider hosta plants. They are excellent shade plants which do well in all types of soil, as long as they get enough water. Here in my neighborhood, our soil is very sandy and our hostas always do well.


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Posted: 11-Mar-2004, 09:24 PM
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Hostas are wonderful plants for shade..
There old fashioned standards are really enjoying an amazing come back..
Some of the hosta that thrive in deep shade.. have the most interesting texture to the leaf.. and suprising colour ...

http://www.plantdelights.com/Catalog/Curre...rent/hosta.html

This site had pictures of every hosta I have ever heard of , and a few I had'nt smile.gif

There are Helibors, Jacbos ladder.. primroses.. fox glove.. lung wort.. ferns..
Bishops Gout,,, just to name a very few...
they all do well in this zone, and all in low sun to deep shade..

If you get some slanting after noon sun.. that will increase your choices of plants that flower later in the season ..


http://homepage.third-wave.com/gardens/
Here is a great site from SW PA..

As for lawn.. I used this site..I'd like to roto till every blade of grass under myself.. and just have more flower beds !
http://www.scotts.com/

Elspeth... you have a lot of choices... my back yard was a mess when I moved here..I took my time, made a few mistakes angel_not.gif .. learned from making them...and enjoyed it ..
I wish you the same ..

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Posted: 11-Mar-2004, 09:55 PM
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If you have room in the back of your garden, hollyhocks do well in the shade and add a lot of color with the different versions available.
Black Alcea and Nigra can add some great contrast to a Country Hollyhock mix.

Just remember, these plants get 6-7 feet high.
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Hee hee, all I can add is:

Hostas


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Posted: 13-Mar-2004, 08:43 AM
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QUOTE (A Shrule Egan @ Mar 11 2004, 09:55 PM)
If you have room in the back of your garden, hollyhocks do well in the shade and add a lot of color with the different versions available.
Black Alcea and Nigra can add some great contrast to a Country Hollyhock mix.

Just remember, these plants get 6-7 feet high.

Great! Block out my neighbors. tongue.gif
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Posted: 13-Mar-2004, 07:32 PM
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I used Golden Cypress as a screen from the Neighbors...
It is non desidgeuos ... I think I spelled that right..
It's fancy for , no leaves fall off wink.gif

Grew high fast ... can take shade... low initial investment ..
moves nicley in a bit of a breeze .. great colour...
Best thing about it,gives the birds a great winter home..
Plus, its much prettier than any fence.. and less up keep and cost !

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Posted: 13-Mar-2004, 07:37 PM
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But what is it? For a girl with a degree in Conservation I am amazingly ignorant when it comes to ornamentals. tongue.gif
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Posted: 13-Mar-2004, 07:45 PM
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Yikes , sorry my bad !

It is in the pine family ... looks sort of like an abrovitus and a soft hemlock..
had a baby !
It is triangular in shape, has sort of a fan coral type broad"leaf"
that is flat.. and has the texture of puff paint ...
Colour of the "leaf" goes from dark green to gold..
depending on soil conditions and the amout of light ...

There are Globe shaped ones also..
but I like the Hemlocky look the high ones had...
there is also one that has a soft , very long needle.
They were so much more expensive..
but very South Western and interesing looking..

I hope that helps...
I am going to go look for a pic of one !

http://www.eternitree.com/html/our_plants_cypress.htm

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Posted: 13-Mar-2004, 08:18 PM
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How tall do they get? Will they keep my dog from jumping the fence? biggrin.gif

I'm gonna take a picture of my backyard and post it and you all can tell me what to do! tongue.gif
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Posted: 13-Mar-2004, 08:56 PM
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They can get pretty tall ....
I have seen them around 7 feet ..
I think planted properly..
they could hide a cheap fence that would keep the dog in biggrin.gif

Once they mature, they might..
but it takes a while for them to fill in ..

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Posted: 04-Apr-2004, 11:44 AM
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Elspeth,
I've had good success with White Bleeding Hearts, Ferns, (I'm not much of a fan of Hostas, but they're good for shade), Wild Ginger, there are even some very shade-tolerant Clematis and a few shade-tolerant Roses, too. Also try Lady's Mantle and Lamb's Ears--they both manage to do well in our shady yard!

Hope these help!
Dreamer1

P.S. You might want to take a look at White Flower Farm--they're wonderful, and have a good selection of shade lovers. Here's their link: http://www.whiteflowerfarm.com/

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Posted: 04-Apr-2004, 06:49 PM
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When I first started my garden..one of my friends Mothers gave me a
White Flower Farms catalog.. I learned so much from it ...

They have an amazing array of shade plants.. even if you do not buy from them..
you will learn what you like, and what it looks like, is called , and where it is happy

I am a day lilly person.. I think that they have the best deals anywhere on those ..

Good one Dreamer1 ! yes.gif

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