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Posted: 16-Feb-2004, 06:38 PM
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ooooooh I would love to talk to him in person to determine if he is as du..ll as he seems!


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Posted: 16-Feb-2004, 07:20 PM
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Since everyone is concerned about how the World feels. How does the UN feel and not your opinion but what they are saying about all of this. unsure.gif


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Posted: 17-Feb-2004, 03:25 PM
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Saddam was a ruthless dictator that saw himself as the ruler of all things Arab. Even the other Arab states knew this (ask Kuwait).

I am fully convinced that Saddam harbored, protected, and funded those that would do harm to (1) any American, and (2) any Christian.

Al Qaeda is now reduced to a fraction of it's ability to do harm. The next most powerful force of terrorism was the regime of Saddam. With him still in place Islamic radicals would train and plan for their next attack against the Great Satan.

Saddam, for years, told the UN to "stuff it", and they did, proving once again just how irrevalent the UN actually is.

I am glad he has been removed from power. The majority of Iraqis are glad he has been removed from power.

The "make love not war" mantra is a wonderful idea. It's just that it doesn't work in the real world (much like the often heralded Socialism). There really are "bad people" in this world, people that, if given the chance, would do great harm to innocent others. We almost let one just like him get too powerful in the 1930-1940's.


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Posted: 17-Feb-2004, 03:40 PM
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Thank you Shamalama,

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Posted: 17-Feb-2004, 03:53 PM
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Posted: 17-Feb-2004, 04:27 PM
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I think President Bush is doing something that should have been done a long time ago. And I think it has some people scared, which doesn't make any sense to me because unless you are trying to hide, you shouldn't have to worry. And I have nothing to hide.

I am not paranoid enough to think that someone is out to get me. If that were the case, I surely wouldn't use my real name in here now would I?

I for one Applaud what President Bush is doing. And I would support anyone who has the guts enough to stand up to people like Saddam. He was nothing but a big bully and someone had to knock him down a few pegs. President Reagan did this to Momar Khadafi in Lybia.

I do not put down any of our Presidents whether I like them or not. If anyone think that they could do a better job then why are they not in Office? And the Last thing that I want to hear is because it's all about Money, because it is not.
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well... on the matter UN, I think they should have acted ages ago which has nothing to do with the current administration of the US.

Arabs out to get Christians? what a bs.. if they want to get one religion/ppl out it's the Jews... That's evident from the propaganda used.

If the US feel so greatly miffed by what is happening they should please think of how they treat those nations. Do they want them to be free people or just buying american products or just following the "great" example. Yes, the US are a good example in general but in the last time they seem to develop the same problem as many European Nations had in the late 19th century/early 20th. At least for me some of the parallels are quite evident.
But by going into Iraq (I'm not even disputing Saddam was bad for the country.. that's actually quite evident) the Arab/Muslim part world (especially the uneducated parts) will see this as another attack on their people. And that is not the way to solve the problem. We won't go anywhere if we just keep on doing as we are.
It is not only the US but they are the most prominent of the Western World and therefor easier to attack. It is easier to get people behind something when ONE enemy is standing out proud.

Whatever is going to happen, I don't want to adopt the raised indexfinger and rant on la "I told you so" but I wasn't surprised at 9/11 and I won't be surprised at anything else much either.

What annoys me about the whole issue is that the Iraq campaign was started under the pretence of urgent threat and now all that is emphasized is saddam's capture. They told us the WMD were the imminent and most important thing to do...
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Posted: 17-Feb-2004, 06:14 PM
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I am all for education all people. But what are you going to do if the, what we call, Third World Countries, (A term that I do not like), will not allow education for its people?

Again I say that we, as all people, do not know the truth either way. We can only trust our elected leaders to do the right thing. I do not like this game of politics pitting one side against another just because of these so called Party lines.

I do know that people has different views and beliefs, which is all fine. I, myself, would hurt anyone just because the believe differently than me. But with this Media that we have trying to change the World to someone's Point of View is not what I consider right.

I have one question to ask in here. Does anyone here believe that Saddam did not have WMDs so much that they are willing to ruin their reputation or even their life. I do not have proof positive either way.

So is there anyone in here in the know of the exact truth?
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Posted: 17-Feb-2004, 06:19 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Bercot @ Feb 17 2004, 06:14 PM)
I am all for education all people. But what are you going to do if the, what we call, Third World Countries, (A term that I do not like), will not allow education for its people?

Again I say that we, as all people, do not know the truth either way. We can only trust our elected leaders to do the right thing. I do not like this game of politics pitting one side against another just because of these so called Party lines.

I do know that people has different views and beliefs, which is all fine. I, myself, would hurt anyone just because the believe differently than me. But with this Media that we have trying to change the World to someone's Point of View is not what I consider right.

I have one question to ask in here. Does anyone here believe that Saddam did not have WMDs so much that they are willing to ruin their reputation or even their life. I do not have proof positive either way.

So is there anyone in here in the know of the exact truth?

We DO know that at one time Iraq had WMD. We know this because the Reagan Administration GAVE them to them. The US built the gas production factory for them so they could use them on Iran. Reagan, what a peice of work. angel_not.gif
The best I can say is that he didn't screw things up QUITE as badly as George II is. king.gif


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Posted: 17-Feb-2004, 06:35 PM
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QUOTE (maisky @ Feb 17 2004, 06:19 PM)
We DO know that at one time Iraq had WMD. We know this because the Reagan Administration GAVE them to them. The US built the gas production factory for them so they could use them on Iran. Reagan, what a peice of work. angel_not.gif
The best I can say is that he didn't screw things up QUITE as badly as George II is. king.gif

How sure are we that President Bush, as you put it "screwed things up", actually did?

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Posted: 17-Feb-2004, 07:44 PM
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well I believe saddam did have WMD. Yes. But I also believe that at the time he was at no point ready to use them because of the state of his country.

But for the Future not only today's views count and not only the views of one man. And for the reputation of the US in the world the current american administration did more bad than good.
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Saddam did, at one time, have WMD's. He showed a willingness to use them against (1) his enemy [Iran], and (2) his own people [Kurds].

The UN said he had them. Bush 1 said he had them. Clinton said he had them. Bush 2 said he had them. Kerry (during the Clinton admin.) said he had them.

America sold him parts to manufacture WMD's. So did Germany, France, and Russia.

And in the post-9/11 atmosphere in the US there was great worry that (1) Saddam would use them against the Great Satan, or (2) he would sell them to someone that would. The fatwa to kill any American had already been issued.

My worry today is "Where are the WMD's now"? They were there, and now they're gone. I certainly doubt they have been destroyed. Who has them?

I don't think "Arabs want to kill Americans". But I do think there are Islamic radicals that would love to kill as many Americans as they possibly can. Much like some Baptists that would love to kill as many abortion doctors as they can. "Kill the sinner/infidel to the glory of God/Allah". And these kind of people scare me.
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Posted: 18-Feb-2004, 08:21 AM
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QUOTE (Richard Bercot @ Feb 17 2004, 06:35 PM)

How sure are we that President Bush, as you put it "screwed things up", actually did?

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You don't have to read the future, just the present. rolleyes.gif
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Posted: 18-Feb-2004, 08:23 AM
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I don't think "Arabs want to kill Americans". But I do think there are Islamic radicals that would love to kill as many Americans as they possibly can. Much like some Baptists that would love to kill as many abortion doctors as they can. "Kill the sinner/infidel to the glory of God/Allah". And these kind of people scare me.

Muslim terrorists, Christian terrorists, what's to chose? rolleyes.gif biggrin.gif
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