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Posted: 15-Feb-2004, 03:35 PM
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i think peace forced at gunpoint is.. well.. not really peace nor very fair


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Posted: 15-Feb-2004, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Bercot @ Feb 15 2004, 10:35 AM)
If memory serves me right, We were helping Bin Laden to stop the Russian take over of Afghanistan. It is not the fault of the US that Bin Laden turned rogue. wink.gif

But seeings how there seems to be a track record growing will be interesting to see who are new enemy is in 10-20 years. If it's Iraq this will just lead to this growing track record.
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  Posted: 15-Feb-2004, 04:09 PM
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In the movie The Scorpion King, there is this line:

"Rivers of blood can never bring peace."


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Posted: 15-Feb-2004, 04:29 PM
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Posted: 15-Feb-2004, 07:21 PM
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But as mike pointed out swimming in blood doesn't bring peace either.
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Posted: 15-Feb-2004, 07:33 PM
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QUOTE (scottish2 @ Feb 15 2004, 07:21 PM)
But as mike pointed out swimming in blood doesn't bring peace either.

Then tell me, what is the solution? unsure.gif
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Posted: 15-Feb-2004, 08:41 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Bercot @ Feb 15 2004, 07:33 PM)
Then tell me, what is the solution? unsure.gif

The first step is a change of leadership in the US. Kerry may not be perfect, but he HAS to be better than Bush. King GeorgeII has the WORST record, on all fronts, of ANY US President. He is a failure at yet another profession. This time his failure resulted in many thousands of deaths. It is a national disgrace. At least Clinton only got hooters in the hallway.



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  Posted: 15-Feb-2004, 08:56 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Bercot @ Feb 15 2004, 06:33 PM)
Then tell me, what is the solution? unsure.gif

Tolerance.
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Posted: 15-Feb-2004, 08:59 PM
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I am not asking what leadership we should have or have not. All I am hearing is how it is all being done wrongly.

So I will ask again, What is the solution.
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Posted: 15-Feb-2004, 09:01 PM
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QUOTE (MDF3530 @ Feb 15 2004, 08:56 PM)
Tolerance.

OK, I can agree with that, but isn't tolerance required from both sides?
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Posted: 15-Feb-2004, 09:34 PM
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my solution is to withcall all the troops. Playing world police gets us in half this trouble. How would you feel if Iraq had bases here and was running around north america getting in everyones business you'd be just as ticked off (being polite here) off as some middle eastern folk are that we're there doing this very thing.
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Posted: 15-Feb-2004, 10:08 PM
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QUOTE (scottish2 @ Feb 15 2004, 09:34 PM)
my solution is to withcall all the troops. Playing world police gets us in half this trouble. How would you feel if Iraq had bases here and was running around north america getting in everyones business you'd be just as ticked off (being polite here) off as some middle eastern folk are that we're there doing this very thing.

Fair enough. I just wish that it was that easy.

As far as the Iraqis being here, I think every Country in the World is already doing that, the only difference is that they do not have their Military Bases here. It seems to me that every Country in the World is telling us how we are to view their point of views. The same thing had happened in both World Wars and we were always the last to join in and now when they cry foul to someone else and we jump in to help, the foul is changed and then pointed at us. Can they not make up their minds or are we suppose to be mind reader and only react after the fact?

Are you willing to sit around and wait for another to assult some other people with weapons of mass destruction. Is that worth waiting for?

I, myself, am a firm believer in preventive maintenance. If something looks like it going to break down I would much rather fix it while I can before it happens then to wait until it breaks and possible effecting other parts it is related to.

Just My Opinion.
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Posted: 15-Feb-2004, 10:17 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Bercot @ Feb 15 2004, 10:08 PM)
Fair enough. I just wish that it was that easy.

As far as the Iraqis being here, I think every Country in the World is already doing that, the only difference is that they do not have their Military Bases here. It seems to me that every Country in the World is telling us how we are to view their point of views. The same thing had happened in both World Wars and we were always the last to join in and now when they cry foul to someone else and we jump in to help, the foul is changed and then pointed at us. Can they not make up their minds or are we suppose to be mind reader and only react after the fact?

Are you willing to sit around and wait for another to assult some other people with weapons of mass destruction. Is that worth waiting for?

I, myself, am a firm believer in preventive maintenance. If something looks like it going to break down I would much rather fix it while I can before it happens then to wait until it breaks and possible effecting other parts it is related to.

Just My Opinion.

Well the problem with preventitive maintanance is in the case of war it's wrong and the court at Nuremberg threw out the Nazis us of this explaination. We can't have countries charging around the world starting wars over what maybe because it also maybe not. Besides the same trial stated that starting a war is a crime against peace.
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Posted: 15-Feb-2004, 10:23 PM
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QUOTE (scottish2 @ Feb 15 2004, 10:17 PM)
Besides the same trial stated that starting a war is a crime against peace.

So is attacking other Countries, harboring Terrorists and Killing their own People.
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Posted: 15-Feb-2004, 10:28 PM
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a crime is still a crime though. Not saying other countries are innocent but a crime to combat a crime is not the way. I mean if someone say killed a family member or someone close to you and then you turned around and killed them would you not also be guilty of the crime of murder?
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