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Posted: 06-Feb-2004, 12:39 PM
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OK now. I can see why cave men needed to believe in something. I mean the sun rising everyday is some pretty impressive stuff. But as man and science has come along, the need for religion sometimes confuses me. Science explains much of the unknown from 1000 years ago. Still some religion don't recognize that dinosaurs lived millions of years ago. (Bible...creation...Darwin...) I a time of great science, why do so many of us still believe in an invisible man in the sky who watches over ALL of us our whole lives and knows if we have been naughty or nice??? Just because we don't have all the answers yet, doesn't mean we won't someday. king.gif
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Posted: 06-Feb-2004, 01:45 PM
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yeah but where did the men and their science come from and what if all the answers point to a higher being, what if there is an invisible man who watches us from the position of omnipresence, what if dinosaurs only lived 500,00 - 50,000 or 10,000 years ago or even today in a lost valley in Leo's back yard ?unsure.gif

What if we don't need to believe in something but do anyway?

Read Interview with a Vampire to gain even more insight on this subject.

finally what if?


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Posted: 06-Feb-2004, 02:02 PM
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Raven Posted on Feb 6 2004, 01:45 PM


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what if dinosaurs only lived 500,00 - 50,000 or 10,000 years ago or even today in a lost valley in Leo's back yard ?


We barbecue em and serve em with cold beer.

No, seriously, you are thinking of my mother in law. laugh.gif

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Posted: 06-Feb-2004, 03:59 PM
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QUOTE (Herrerano @ Feb 6 2004, 02:02 PM)
Raven Posted on Feb 6 2004, 01:45 PM




We barbecue em and serve em with cold beer.

No, seriously, you are thinking of my mother in law. laugh.gif

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So...You admit it wink.gif

perhaps this should be in the recipe thread titled "Jurassic Barbeque"
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Monkey boy, I am as about as big of a science geek as you could find. My favourite TV channel is the Science Channel. I love Discover Magazine. I devour all I can read or watch about space, astrophysics, dinosaurs and the like. I'm a big believer in science and technology.

However, despite my scientific skepticism, I don't feel a need to believe in God. I just do. I have had a large number of what I would term religeous experiences. No, I'm not claiming to be some prophet. I just know when God is with me. It's more than wanting to believe it. It is a physical thing for me. I feel his presence.

I can not prove to you there is a God. Nor can you prove to me there is no God. The scientist in me requires proof of everything. Everything except the existance of God. angel.gif


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hey Todd

That is so cool that you are calling the Peckery "Monkey Boy" tongue.gif The other stuff too!! I like science and discovery and want to know why I believe what I believe.

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Raven Posted on Feb 6 2004, 04:37 PM

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That is so cool that you are calling the Peckery "Monkey Boy"  The other stuff too!! I like science and discovery and want to know why I believe what I believe.

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I believe in beer, cause and effect, beer, reincarnation, beer and beer! beer_mug.gif

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I believe something along the following:

The Bible tells what God did, Science tells the mechanisms he used to do it.

now, I like science, and technology facinates me. But, Peckery, I don't agree that Science will ever explain everything. There will always be something that cannot be proven. There will always be something inexplicable to wonder at. There will always be those flukes that shouldn't happen but do. I have had many times when something bad should have happened to be, but I avoided it.

You're not going to tell me, after all of these so many times, that there is no higher power; that there is no God.

You're not going to convince me, that the streams I put on paper don't originate from somewhere higher than myself

And although medicine, Uncle Sam, and a hospital played a very signifigant role, you're not going to tell me that I didn't have devine help being able to walk today without the aid of 'the sticks'

There is my reason for believing in God/Goddess. I don't need anymore proof. I've got enough. Unless I'm mistaken, Jesus made some comment of. "Blessed is he who has not seen, yet believes." Well... I have not seen God/Goddess in the flesh, manifest in the physical world, and known it. But I have seen and felt the work of said deity. You decide if that counts as having seen or not. But I believe.


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QUOTE (maisky @ Feb 6 2004, 06:17 PM)
I believe in beer, cause and effect, beer, reincarnation, beer and beer! beer_mug.gif

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Reincarnated beer? That is just gross!


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My reincarnated beer usually ends up in the toilet. biggrin.gif
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I know it's an old cliche, but personally speaking I'm searching for the meaning of life, the real purpose for our existence. There has to be a purpose. Otherwise, what is the point of it all? If we were just spat out by accident by the 'big bang' to live and die like animals, then why do humans possess that unique facet of an inquisitive mind that is continously seeking understanding, knowledge, answers, and striving for progress, achievements and higher ground? And why do we possess a conscience and the sense of guilt, if it's just all a one-way ticket to oblivion, with no possible consequences at the end of the road? unsure.gif

It just doesn't add up. It's pointless. Especially when one witnesses all the suffering, torment, and pain that people go through (war, famine, poverty, disease etc. etc.)on this planet. Surely, folk were meant for something a bit better than all that hell. Seems especially cold-blooded and cruel when one considers all the newborn infants and children who are taken away when they haven't even started to taste quality of life. Just the fact that folk such as ourselves are digging into our minds to enquire and search for answers on a discussion such as this only serves to add weight to the argument that there has to something or somebody out there some place who has placed us here for a real purpose.

Evolutionists advocate the Big Bang, believing that all that exists is just an accident, a random process. Well, it sure was one HECK of an accident, cos when I look around my surroundings, I see design. Evolutionists proclaim the Big Bang started with a 'primeval atom' (I think Stephen Hawkings has been making this theory popular). Well, where did the atom come from? And the laws of physics, such as light, heat, and gravity, needed for a 'big bang'? Evolution only works when there's something already in existence to evolve from. Didn't Einstein prove that matter did not always exist?

There's so much scientific analysis to verify Creation that I still can't fathom how the theory of evolution is still so popular. It's lunacy. On the following link is a list of quotes by evolutionists themselves who admit that their theories are proving groundless;

http://www.anointed-one.net/quotes.html

If then evolution is indeed false, and there is indeed a Creator, then surely that Creator would have created us for a purpose and created a purpose for us.

So, that's me - I'm hunting for the real purpose for existence, and slowly but surely, I'll find it. I'm searching for that higher ground. thumbs_up.gif


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I do not presume to know what means the Creator used to actually make the universe. I feel that it is possible that we may some day be able to understand large parts of it. Even Albert Einstein, one of the greats in the brains department, once said the God doesn't play dice with the universe. There is a design.

And that infers a Designer. Whether we can figure out the design, maybe. Maybe not. But the search is interesting.

Even if evolution is true, about which I keep neutral, it doesn't deny the existence of God. Could He have created the universe, establishing all of the natural laws, then left the universe to develop according to the laws He created? Of course He could. Did He? Who knows?

By the way, is there a transmigration of soul when beer reincarnates? You know, it progresses from a lager to a stout? Just curious. laugh.gif

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... oi, dude, what is the Vatican's official stance on Creation vs evolution? wink.gif
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QUOTE (Kiwi Gael @ Feb 8 2004, 08:18 PM)
... oi, dude, what is the Vatican's official stance on Creation vs evolution? wink.gif

The Church holds that evolution is valid as a hypothesis only. There is certainly evidence of micro-evolution, that of subtle changes in organisms in response to their environment over a period of time. However, to state that the "soul" or "spirit" emerge from living matter is, to quote John Paul II, "... incompatible with the truth about man." The Church holds, and has always held as an absolute truth, that souls are immediately created by God.

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