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Posted: 23-Jan-2004, 07:07 PM
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hehe.. well, my humble thought is that men can't stand loosing out to others happy.gif


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Posted: 24-Jan-2004, 05:41 AM
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sound a good idea to me.
We could make a circle.
build a log fire.
drink beer.
strip off and dance the Monkey dance, sky-clad, waving our broomsticks.
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Posted: 24-Jan-2004, 05:42 AM
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is roasting marshmallows Pagan?
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Posted: 24-Jan-2004, 05:46 AM
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thats a thought:-
Sacrafical Marshmallows... more satisfying than Virgins.
Then again we could have Chocolate and BBQ Steaks.
This coven idea is sounding better all the time.

extra thought - there are no callories in virtual chocolate at an on-line sabat.
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I was thinking about this thread this morning and some of the answers that I have seen here and it sparked this thought with in me.

As I stated before I am an avid student of comparitive religion. Some have posted on here to go to this site or read this book to find out what pagans believe. While this may give a generalized view it is in no way definitive.

Organized religions on the other hand will have their theology written down and it may be more accessable. i.e. what the Catholic Church,Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Presbytirians, Buddists, Muslims, etc... believe and most of these groups have an established hierarchy. The odd thing that I have found is that most of the people with in any established religion that I talk to are not as fully aware of what their own group really stands for. In other words they have not even taked the time to read the essential works that the faith is based on let alone the organazations official theology. They rely on others to hand down this information often piece meal and orally. This then becomes a big game of gossip or telephone and the followers of a religion often end up with no idea what they are following.

Paganism as a rule seems to lack the encumberences of an organization. I realize that their are hierarchys within smaller groups but no national/regional boards International Wiccan committee etc. The most notable exception that I am aware of is the church of Satan. If I am just ignorant fill me in, inquiring minds want to know. That said I am aware that there are a number of books that pagans look to for their spirituality. But they seem to be loose knit with no real defining work that says "this is the official manual of paganism".

The way I see this it frees the individual of having a belief that is different than head quarters official line and what the individual believes is just their personal take and no one is going to sit them down and say look your paganism/Wiccan practices do not fit with what we have in our by laws now either toe the line or get out. Good for the individual but this also makes it difficult to grasp what it is all about. I personally see paganism in a broad light as a worship of nature sometimes expressed as a love of the mother earth, but I realize that this is in no way definitive. For some reason pagans often see a spirituality in Arminta and I that causes them to come to us after a show and ask us if we are pagans. The comment is often that we have this tangable spiritual presence. (maybe they are mistaking our stage presence unsure.gif ) We are not pagans. But at the same time I do not consider myself religious because while I consider myself to be a Christian I do not follow any of the religions that call themselves such. In my mind the religions are not Christian although I have met people with in them who are.(perhaps not being as argumentative as myself they are better able to co-habitate smile.gif)

Which brings us back to the topic what do the pagans on this board believe. Thank you to all that have shared. It is very educational to say the least.

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QUOTE (Jaxom @ Jan 23 2004, 04:43 PM)

and the ultermate sacrifice Jesus. Put to death in order to fulfill religious prophesy.


Just an aside here and you probably already know this. That Jesus was also supposed to be the ultimate sacrifice to end all sacrifice (part of the prophecy that he fulfilled) doing away with the need for sacrifice and cleansing all who accept his sacrifice as no human or animal blood could.
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QUOTE (Shadows @ Jan 23 2004, 07:02 PM)
QUOTE (maisky @ Jan 23 2004, 06:49 PM)
Maybe we should start our OWN festival and have revelry and sacrifices of beer  beer_mug.gif (after passing it through our kidneys) and virgins  naughty.gif.

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You quote" want to pass beer thought our kidneys and virgins "... what is with that? Let it go through my kidneys only... let the virgins get their own !!! wink.gif

Honestly ..what is with this virgin thing anyway? In all my experiences with virgins they lacked any knowledge of the act and made it very difficult to arrive at a agreeable conclusion for all involved! Give me a good old lady with experience anytime! wink.gif

This is being added minutes after my original post:

Why do we as men feel we need to be the First through the gates?
I was a virgin until an older experience woman lead the way... I am not ashamed to ay that either... long live the experienced!!!

OK, now we are up to forming a circle, starting a fire, stripping down, drinking beer, dancing the monkey dance and cooking steaks! This works for me. I guess we can forgo the virgins, but we can still let some in if they are willing to learn! I DO plan to wear at least an apron while cooking steaks on an open fire. Doing this naked could be rather hazardous to my, errr, HEALTH!


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QUOTE (Jaxom @ Jan 24 2004, 05:46 AM)
thats a thought:-
Sacrafical Marshmallows... more satisfying than Virgins.
Then again we could have Chocolate and BBQ Steaks.
This coven idea is sounding better all the time.

extra thought - there are no callories in virtual chocolate at an on-line sabat.

And no hangover and no pregnancies!!! WOW!
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I call on those present to form a circle and for the High priest / priestess to call to the four points and invoke the goddess / deity fill in blanks as appropriate.

Now what?
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WOO HOO sounds FUN!

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QUOTE (peckery @ 17-Jan-2004, 04:38 PM)
A religion, a set of values to go by? How did you discover it and why did you choose it as a path to follow. And why if you believe in it and participate in it, do most of you hide the fact that you are Pagans from non-Pagans. Thanks. I really want to understand since so many of you are Pagan.

Paganism is not a religion in and of itself; its an umbrella term to encompass those paths that do not honour, worship or believe in the God of Abraham, who is central to the three religions: Christianity, Islam and Judaism.

I discovered it at the end of a long search trying to find a religion that matched my beliefs and ideals. It was a chance encounter with someone that led me to others, however I realised I had always been pagan, just didn't realise there was a title or others around.

I have never hidden my paganism from others. However, it is necessary in some places, as they still kill pagans in many countries these days.


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QUOTE (Raven @ 24-Jan-2004, 03:53 PM)
As I stated before I am an avid student of comparitive religion. Some have posted on here to go to this site or read this book to find out what pagans believe. While this may give a generalized view it is in no way definitive.

Paganism as a rule seems to lack the encumberences of an organization. I realize that their are hierarchys within smaller groups but no national/regional boards International Wiccan committee etc.

That said I am aware that there are a number of books that pagans look to for their spirituality. But they seem to be loose knit with no real defining work that says "this is the official manual of paganism".

Paganism, as a whole, cannot be definitive, as it encompasses a range of path, traditions, beliefs and philosophies. Someone who follow shinto is going to have very different beliefs from an initiated Wiccan. Some paths follow gods, others don't. Some believe in magic, others don't.

Speaking of which, there is a set of rules, etc. for initiated, lineaged Wicca. Its just you won't find it on any internet site, or in any book, unless your initiated into a linaged coven, when you will be required to write it out by hand. wink.gif

Other paths, too, have their guides. Even family traditions have their myths and mysteries to be passed down through generations, but not discussed with outsiders.

So, do you now understand why there is no definitive book of paganism?
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