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Should we do more in memorial to Confederate Soliders?
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Posted on 05-Feb-2004, 12:26 AM
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QUOTE (MacErca @ Feb 4 2004, 05:50 PM)
If the reason for not having a memorial is "they lost" then why pray tell, do we have a Vietnam Vets memorial in D.C.?
I am a Vietnam Veteran, btw.
I think all soldiers need to be remembered, most time than not the rank and file really has no choice as to who "their war" is with, they just go with as much honor they have in the situation.

Apples and oranges, and thank you for serving your country usaflag.gif In the Vietnam war, the government told you to go. A RECOGNIZED government. I am not saying that the southerners should be forgotten, or even not have a memorial. I just don't think federal tax dollars should pay to remember the ones who tried to destroy that same government. war.gif unclesam.gif
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I dont feel that the Federal Govt should have to pay for a monument but
all Americans lost in that war except the Federalist whom wanted to take the rights away from the common man, and they have one by one the rights and responsibilities of the citizens of the US are eroded. Salvery as an institution was dying and would have disappeared not much longer. Though generally poor My family was sharecroppers, I had several relatives in the war fighting for what they believed in


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If a memorial was to be built it should show both sides maybe portray two brothers who fought on oppisite sides and the war over with fallen comrades, show them hugging and title it "Welcome Home", and show the everyday soldier not the higher ups, I agree that it tried and nearly did rip this mighty nation apart, and could place said memorial in Arlington Nat. Cem. which was owned by Gen.Robert E. Lee. I agree that the Federal Government should not pay for it , it should be from the people, have the flag on a standard.

Well anyway that is how I would picture it to show the day that the war ended and to honor the fallen men of both sides, cause wrong or right we are one Nation.


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QUOTE (MacErca @ Feb 7 2004, 08:36 AM)
If a memorial was to be built it should show both sides maybe portray two brothers who fought on oppisite sides and the war over with fallen comrades, show them hugging and title it "Welcome Home

Great idea. I also agree that it should be a privately funded memorial.

Just my tuppence.

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QUOTE (peckery @ Feb 4 2004, 10:16 AM)
Yes many a brave man died, but THEY LOST!!

And since when does the issue of victory or defeat matter when it comes to the honor of the men who fought. The French Foreign Legion is one of the most honorable corps to ever take the field, and they celebrate most their losses. The Battle of Camerone is their highest holiday. It celebrates the stand of a single company of 62 legionnaires and three officers against a force of 1200 Mexican infantry and 800 cavalry. When the final 5 (that's right, five) run out of ammunition, the mount a bayonet charge. Two are killed, but the remaining 3 are spared, earning them the comment, "These are not men, they are devils!"

What counts is how you fight, not whether you win.

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I had relatives that fought on both sides and I'm sure they believed in what they were fighting for...... My father spent 20 years in the US Navy and I spent a total of 31 years in the reserve and active US Army. I think that there should be a memorial that commemorates ALL Civil War Soldiers. And it should be funded as any other monument. Not all National monuments in Washington, D.C. are government funded. Some were build with private funds, some with a combination of private and government funding and some solely government funded. The revisionists need to stop changing history to please some politically correct agenda. The Civil War was about many things but most importantly it WAS about States Rights. A major US Army post is named after a Confederate General and that is Fort Hood in Texas. My father is buried in a cemetery in southern Illinois and there are several graves for Confederate State of America Soldiers. The markers provided by the Veterans Administration and every holiday, such as Memorial Day and Veterans Day the graves are decorated the same as any of the other veterans.

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QUOTE (andylucy @ Feb 8 2004, 07:09 AM)
And since when does the issue of victory or defeat matter when it comes to the honor of the men who fought. The French Foreign Legion is one of the most honorable corps to ever take the field, and they celebrate most their losses. The Battle of Camerone is their highest holiday. It celebrates the stand of a single company of 62 legionnaires and three officers against a force of 1200 Mexican infantry and 800 cavalry. When the final 5 (that's right, five) run out of ammunition, the mount a bayonet charge. Two are killed, but the remaining 3 are spared, earning them the comment, "These are not men, they are devils!"

What counts is how you fight, not whether you win.

Just my tuppence.

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Following your logic, we should have monuments to the Germans and japaneese in Kentucky. To go into battle, it is a given that you have to be brave. Winners get statues, loosers just get dead. As Patton said, "You don't win a war by dieing for your country. You win a war by making that other poor dumb bastard die for HIS country."
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Following your logic, we should have monuments to the Germans and japaneese in Kentucky. To go into battle, it is a given that you have to be brave. Winners get statues, loosers just get dead. As Patton said, "You don't win a war by dieing for your country. You win a war by making that other poor dumb bastard die for HIS country."


Yes, and in the Civil War ALL THOSE POOR DUMB BASTARDS were AMERICANS, WIN or LOSE...........................................

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QUOTE (RICH @ Feb 8 2004, 10:30 PM)


Yes, and in the Civil War ALL THOSE POOR DUMB BASTARDS were AMERICANS, WIN or LOSE...........................................

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Seems to me I remember the southern dumb bastards wanting to leave the union, the United States, leave America. Do you award the bravery of someone trying to tear down your country? The south DID loose. Some seem to forget that!
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* General Robert E. Lee, Joseph Johnston, A.P. Hill, Fitzhugh Lee, and J.E.B. Stuart were NOT slave owners.

* General Ulysses S. Grant kept slaves to take care of his wife while he was off "fighting against slavery" ....What the heck ?

Why do suppose this is, wonder if he was really a merc. kinda goes against everything he claimed to be.
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It wasn't wanting to leave the Union as much as is was standing up for their States rights. Yes they split, they seceded and their name was the Confederate States of AMERICA. The WHOLE country lost, not just the south. Yes the Union won the physical war but the whole country lost something. families were torn apart, material wealth was lost, the social and moral fabric of the country was damaged. It took a long time to heal those wounds. I dare say that some wounds are still not healed.

I see by your statements that you have not had the privilege to serve as a member of the armed forces. As a soldier (over 30years) I learned to respect my enemy, for he like I, is a soldier upholding what he believes to be true and just. Who's to say he's wrong and I'm right. Just because the mighty vanquishes his enemy doesn't mean it was right. It just means he was stronger than his enemy.

When you're in battle you destroy your enemy. When the battles over, and you have won, you respect the dead (the enemy as well as friendly) and treat them with proper dignity. You tend to the wounded and protect them as long as they abide by the rules otherwise they get to go to a Prisoner compound sooner that later.

It's called RESPECT. If you don't understand that there is no use trying to explain it to you.

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I am joining this discussion very late, but for what it's worth, here's my two cents.

I can trace the family tree of both of my parent?s family?s immigration to America to well before the Revolution ( the exception being my Gillespie ancestors, my great-great-grandfather Gillespie was born in County Antrim, Ulster, Ireland in 1833 and his father was born in Adrain, Scotland in 1807) With the exception of my maternal grandmother's family, which is half Pennsylvania Dutch (German-speaking Swiss, German, and French Huguenot) and half New England Yankee (Scot, Welsh, Irish and, dare I say, English), most of my immigrant ancestors settled, and migrated west from southern states (Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina) with my particular branch ending up in Ohio. My mother's Powell immigrant ancestor was in Jamestown Virginia in 1607.

As one might expect, I had a number of ancestors who fought in the Revolution (on both sides) and some who didn't (German Dunkards). During the American Civil War my Ohio born ancestors fought for the Union (though I may be a cousin of Bill Cantrell, that notorious Confederate outlaw in Missouri, whose mother was a Clark and was born in Ohio). I'm sure there were an equal number of kin fighting for the Confederacy. My great-greatgrandfather Ewing and three of his brothers served in the Ohio Volunteer Infantry, two in the 3rd OVI G.A.R. (both temporary guests of the Confederate States of America after the battle of Stones River in Tennessee-1862) and my great-greatgrandfather and one other brother with the 97th OVI G.A.R. (to the end of the war). You also may be aware of some Ewing cousins and Ewing spouses from the neighboring county to where my Ewings settled. Their names were, among others, General William T. Sherman and General Thomas Ewing.

Enough of my Family History! Now the question. No, I do not believe there should be a National Monument to Confederate Soldiers. I do not accept the "States Right" argument as an excuse for treason. I believe that was a fairy tail created by the Southern Elite to keep the poor white folk in their place. The question of legal secession from the Union had been answered during the Andrew Jackson administration, when South Carolina had tried to succeed (if I remember correctly President Jackson was born in North Carolina and called Tennessee his home). I would have no problem with a generic Civil War Monument, nor do I have a problem with the current Memorials that exist in many southern states (I live in Lee County Florida, a county named in honor of Robert E. Lee, his portrait adorns the wall of the County Commission meeting room).

I believe President Lincoln's speech at Gettysburg actually honors both sides and I quote it here:

Four score and seven years ago, our fathers brought forth upon this continent a new nation: conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war. . .testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated. . . can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war.

We have come to dedicate a portion of that field as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate. . .we cannot consecrate. . . we cannot hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here.

It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us. . .that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion. . . that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain. . . that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom. . . and that government of the people. . .by the people. . .for the people. . . shall not perish from the earth.

Abraham Lincoln (born Feb. 12, 1809, in Hardin County, Kentucky {another southerner})

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Re: My last post.

I wrote: when South Carolina had tried to suceed .

I meant to write: when South Carolina had tried to secede .

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QUOTE (RICH @ Feb 10 2004, 01:23 AM)
It wasn't wanting to leave the Union as much as is was standing up for their States rights. Yes they split, they seceded and their name was the Confederate States of AMERICA. The WHOLE country lost, not just the south. Yes the Union won the physical war but the whole country lost something. families were torn apart, material wealth was lost, the social and moral fabric of the country was damaged. It took a long time to heal those wounds. I dare say that some wounds are still not healed.

I see by your statements that you have not had the privilege to serve as a member of the armed forces. As a soldier (over 30years) I learned to respect my enemy, for he like I, is a soldier upholding what he believes to be true and just. Who's to say he's wrong and I'm right. Just because the mighty vanquishes his enemy doesn't mean it was right. It just means he was stronger than his enemy.

When you're in battle you destroy your enemy. When the battles over, and you have won, you respect the dead (the enemy as well as friendly) and treat them with proper dignity. You tend to the wounded and protect them as long as they abide by the rules otherwise they get to go to a Prisoner compound sooner that later.

It's called RESPECT. If you don't understand that there is no use trying to explain it to you.

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Never said they didn't deserve respect. I also said that a memorial is fine, but federal tax dollars should not pay for it. This MY OPINION. If you would have taken the time to read all my postings on this subject, you would know that! And as far as my not being in the military, it was not an option open to me. And as far as RESPECT goes, I'm the guy that paid you freakin salary for the 30 years you were in. clothed you and fed you!!!!
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Following your logic, we should have monuments to the Germans and japaneese in Kentucky


I don't think the french foreign legion puts up memorials in kentucky. Every memorial has a place it belongs. Whoever it may commemorate.


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