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JaneyMae 
  Posted: 27-Dec-2003, 11:58 AM
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Just MHO:

Mankind is basically evil, that in my opinion is preposterous. In ancient history going back to the proverbial ?caveman? there was a tendency to congregate into groups, not only for survival but for companionship. This tendency throughout history grew and grew. It grew into Greece, Rome, Egypt, and from there, modern times and ?modern? civilizations.

So if mankind was of a truly evil nature would this have happened? If everyone was evil why would we wish to congregate into a single societal entity? Throughout history and time and time again there have been evil men and women that where alone or in small groups, but they where always the outcastes that society joined together to defeat.

If we are all evil, would we have wished to defeat these outcastes in order to remain safe and secure in our chosen environment? The laws of society today and in the past where instituted to protect us from evil, not from the good, so this ?theory? can only IMHO be classified as BUNK?


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QUOTE (Highlander @ Jan 2 2004, 01:04 PM)
Just MHO:

Mankind is basically evil, that in my opinion is preposterous. In ancient history going back to the proverbial ?caveman? there was a tendency to congregate into groups, not only for survival but for companionship. This tendency throughout history grew and grew. It grew into Greece, Rome, Egypt, and from there, modern times and ?modern? civilizations.

So if mankind was of a truly evil nature would this have happened? If everyone was evil why would we wish to congregate into a single societal entity? Throughout history and time and time again there have been evil men and women that where alone or in small groups, but they where always the outcastes that society joined together to defeat.

If we are all evil, would we have wished to defeat these outcastes in order to remain safe and secure in our chosen environment? The laws of society today and in the past where instituted to protect us from evil, not from the good, so this ?theory? can only IMHO be classified as BUNK?

Good and evil exist together. This dichotomy is inevitable. What is important is that each of us deal with our own good and evil natures in such a way that we develop the good and resist the evil from within (at least most of the time biggrin.gif )
From a Buddhist perspective, each of us is a potentially an enlightened human being. king.gif The trick is to awaken the Buddha nature and keep the devilish functions at bay. thumbs_up.gif


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Evil and Good is a must for balance in this world of ours. Many learn Evil is around in order to appreciate and or see what Good is.. If there were all good, then theres no example for us to better ourselves to become a better human being.. If we were all bad, well why even try to be good.
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I am a supporter of the "tabula rasa" theory, the mind is blank, we are neither good nor evil at birth but our surroundings shape us.


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QUOTE (maryellen @ Oct 20 2003, 04:49 PM)
The title explains most of it: are humans by nature good or evil.  if we don't have laws that make us conduct ourselves nicely, then what would happen.  Or if religion never existed or found out to be a big sham, what would happen?

"Lord of the Flies" by William Golding suggests we are evil by nature.  Its a great book if you haven't read it.

I think Matthew 29:17 explains it:

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And he[Jesus] said unto him[the rich, young ruler], Why callest thou me good?  there is none good but one, that is, God....


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QUOTE (Derfel @ Nov 29 2003, 11:45 AM)
Even the bible is not the one and only truth.
Is a book, not more and less, written by a lot of men and
censored by a lot of men.
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John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Jesus seems to be disagreeing with you.
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Jesus was disagreeing with alot of people, but it doesn't give him the absolute truth.. I think alot of religions would disagree with that. Muslims see Jesus as a great prophet, Jews as a Rabbi.
Don't you think the truth lies in the eye of the beholder?
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What ever happened to Mary Ellen?

By the way...I personally am evil by nature unsure.gif


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QUOTE (Aon_Daonna @ Jan 25 2004, 11:33 AM)
Jesus was disagreeing with alot of people, but it doesn't give him the absolute truth.. I think alot of religions would disagree with that. Muslims see Jesus as a great prophet, Jews as a Rabbi.
Don't you think the truth lies in the eye of the beholder?

No, I utterly reject that the "truth lies in the eyes of the Beholder."

Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14:6)

There is absolute truth, and that truth is Christ. To say there is no absolute truth would mean that the Holocaust was not "wrong" in any important sense of the word.

Murder, lying, thievery, adultery, fornication, and the like are all wrong because they are in opposition to the laws that God has put into effect in this world.
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QUOTE (Raven @ Jan 26 2004, 11:37 AM)
What ever happened to Mary Ellen?

I have been wondering that myself. I could usually count on her to watch my back during these religious discussions. biggrin.gif

Kevsen, I totally agree with you about relative truth and morality. There has to be an absolute or else, what's the bloody point? Everyone does whatever they please (including rape, murder and the like) because THEY see nothing wrong with it. I have used the term natural moral law here before, and most scoffed and told me that it didn't exist. But it does. Truth and morality doesn't rest with an individual's conscience; it comes from God.

Just my tuppence.

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QUOTE (andylucy @ Jan 26 2004, 05:56 PM)
QUOTE (Raven @ Jan 26 2004, 11:37 AM)
What ever happened to Mary Ellen?

I have been wondering that myself. I could usually count on her to watch my back during these religious discussions. biggrin.gif

Kevsen, I totally agree with you about relative truth and morality. There has to be an absolute or else, what's the bloody point? Everyone does whatever they please (including rape, murder and the like) because THEY see nothing wrong with it. I have used the term natural moral law here before, and most scoffed and told me that it didn't exist. But it does. Truth and morality doesn't rest with an individual's conscience; it comes from God.

Just my tuppence.

Andy

Of couse there are other opinions about the source of good and evil. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE (andylucy @ Jan 26 2004, 05:56 PM)
QUOTE (Raven @ Jan 26 2004, 11:37 AM)
What ever happened to Mary Ellen?

I have been wondering that myself. I could usually count on her to watch my back during these religious discussions. biggrin.gif

Kevsen, I totally agree with you about relative truth and morality. There has to be an absolute or else, what's the bloody point? Everyone does whatever they please (including rape, murder and the like) because THEY see nothing wrong with it. I have used the term natural moral law here before, and most scoffed and told me that it didn't exist. But it does. Truth and morality doesn't rest with an individual's conscience; it comes from God.

Just my tuppence.

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Thanks for throwing in your tuppence andy, I appreciate it. thumbs_up.gif
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QUOTE (maisky @ Jan 26 2004, 06:51 PM)
QUOTE (andylucy @ Jan 26 2004, 05:56 PM)
QUOTE (Raven @ Jan 26 2004, 11:37 AM)
What ever happened to Mary Ellen?

I have been wondering that myself. I could usually count on her to watch my back during these religious discussions. biggrin.gif

Kevsen, I totally agree with you about relative truth and morality. There has to be an absolute or else, what's the bloody point? Everyone does whatever they please (including rape, murder and the like) because THEY see nothing wrong with it. I have used the term natural moral law here before, and most scoffed and told me that it didn't exist. But it does. Truth and morality doesn't rest with an individual's conscience; it comes from God.

Just my tuppence.

Andy

Of couse there are other opinions about the source of good and evil. biggrin.gif

Well, that's true. Most everyone does have an opinion or two on this subject. biggrin.gif
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somewhere Andy and I had a very interesting discussion on God/Jesus etc...
I leave ppl their oppinions as long as they don't try to preach me that they HAVE to be mine as well..
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