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Catriona 
Posted: 08-Oct-2003, 09:31 AM
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I have never really posted in this area, simply because I am an agnostic and have no real religious beliefs at all.... However, I sometimes read the posts, as some of them are really interesting.

However, I THOUGHT this was an area for non-Christian discussion?

Yep, I've just checked - it's supposed to be a Pagan area.... cool.gif

Maybe it's just me, but I have noticed recently that there are some quite antagonistic anti-Wiccan, Druidic etc posts......

If the Christians want an area for discussion, I am sure that the Management will oblige... biggrin.gif wink.gif
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Posted: 08-Oct-2003, 12:30 PM
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Catriona, and all,

I don't think anyone meant to corner the pages, so to speak. I'm sorry if anything I've said has offended anyone. I am Christian, but for the third time in my life I've felt a *very* strong urge to learn about paganism, and wicca in particular. Therefore, since about February, I've been reading and researching. (In fact, our local Library just called to say they've got more books ready for me to pick up.) Reading all of your posts has given me insight, and also raised more questions. I'm not turning my back on my own beliefs, but neither can I ignore this pull I'm feeling to learn about yours. So far, I'm very glad I've finally taken this so seriously as it's helped to dispell quite a lot of nonsense, and I've begun to reconsider some long-ingrained reservations and fears.

Please forgive me once again, if there's anything I've posted that has offended you. I'm still learning, and hope to continue to do so here. You all have helped me, and I do appreciate it.

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Posted: 08-Oct-2003, 12:36 PM
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Hi Hen,

I've never been in the "Grove" before, I only came in because I saw you had posted here. All I can say is, I'm with you Catriona, but since Christianity was only a recent introduction to Celtic nations we might as well ask for a Muslim or Seihk section too.

Come to think of it Vulcan would probably have as much relevance.


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Posted: 08-Oct-2003, 12:56 PM
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QUOTE (Welsh Guy @ Oct 8 2003, 02:36 PM)
but since Christianity was only a recent introduction to Celtic nations we might as well ask for a Muslim or Seihk section too.

Come to think of it Vulcan would probably have as much relevance.

Whether you are Christian or not, Christianity played a very important part in the history of the Celtic Nations. The comments concerning the Muslims, Sikhs or vulcans having as much relevance couldn't be any further from the truth!


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Posted: 08-Oct-2003, 01:00 PM
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QUOTE (Keltic @ Oct 8 2003, 08:56 PM)
Whether you are Christian or not, Christianity played a very important part in the history of the Celtic Nations.

Don't be daft mate they didn't even arrive in Northern Europe till the middile of the first century. THAT is recent
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Posted: 08-Oct-2003, 01:10 PM
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QUOTE (Welsh Guy @ Oct 8 2003, 03:00 PM)
Don't be daft mate they didn't even arrive in Northern Europe till the middile of the first century. THAT is recent

Book of Kells, Lindisfarne Gospels, Book of Durrow, Ardagh Chalice, Tara Brooch, Aberlemno Stone....

I guess that the British made no contributions to the culture here in Canada since they didn't settle until the 17th century, nor did the Europeans have much sway on U.S. history.

I won't lower myself to taking a shot at you (the daft comment).
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Posted: 08-Oct-2003, 01:19 PM
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Now to address Catriona's comments,

If the non-pagan posts are done out of interest or for clarification, there shouldn't be a problem. I find this forum interesting just for my own education. I don't necessarily agree with a lot of it but nonetheless find it interesting. I will not post a negative comment unless I see something as intolerant as Welsh Guys post. If I wasn't truly interested in seeing other views, I would stay out of this forum. I don't like ignorance whether it is from a Christian or a non-Christian.
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Posted: 08-Oct-2003, 01:23 PM
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QUOTE (Keltic @ Oct 8 2003, 09:10 PM)
I guess that the British made no contributions to the culture here in Canada since they didn't settle until the 17th century,

No, Just destroyed it
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Posted: 08-Oct-2003, 01:48 PM
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I will clarify my intentions.

I started this because there are quite a few pagans that frequent this site. There are so many sites out ther that are pagan oriented and turn out to be full of nothing but name calling, and people are down right mean.

Also, many pagans follow celtic-oriented traditions.

I like to include all faiths so that if someone has a question, and would honeslty like to know about something pertaining to various aspects of paganism, they can ask without feeling like they will be persecuted. However, this does not give anyone free reign to force their beliefs on another.


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Posted: 08-Oct-2003, 04:58 PM
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Dreamer1
I had absolutely no intention of singling you out when I made my comments - to be honest, I cannot remember reading anything that you may have posted. As I said, I do not post here, and only look in occasionally.

KELTIC
This site (the whole site, not just the Pagan forum) has always been quite friendly... BUT, just recently I have noticed a number of posts which seem to take exception to the views of many of the members.

This is not good and it is not kind.

I also think you misunderstood Welsh Guy's comments. He takes a little getting used to, but he can't help that, he's Welsh.... (see, even I can express prejudice). WG is one of the least prejudiced people I have had the pleasure to meet online....


Everyone:

I live my life by the Agnostics prayer

'God if there is one, save my soul if I have one'.... It has worked for me for many years. angel_not.gif

I do not like to see proselytising - I do not like to see what I perceive as a contempt for those views that do not chime with mine....... I reiterate, this board was set up at the request of some Pagan members as THEIR discussion area.....

If the Christians want a forum of their own, then I know that the owners of this site would probably agree to this..... I cannot see why visiting here and making hurtful comments re the religion(s) of the majority the posters should pass without comment. sad.gif

Right, that's me off my soap box - back to the 'owners' of this forum!
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Posted: 08-Oct-2003, 05:07 PM
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Again publicly I will thank you Catriona for being the calm Voice of reason.

Thank you

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Posted: 08-Oct-2003, 10:15 PM
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QUOTE (Catriona @ Oct 8 2003, 06:58 PM)
KELTIC
This site (the whole site, not just the Pagan forum) has always been quite friendly... BUT, just recently I have noticed a number of posts which seem to take exception to the views of many of the members.

This is not good and it is not kind.

I also think you misunderstood Welsh Guy's comments. He takes a little getting used to, but he can't help that, he's Welsh.... (see, even I can express prejudice). WG is one of the least prejudiced people I have had the pleasure to meet online....

Catriona:

I check out this forum to read other views and not to judge those views. If something that I say comes across as being judgmental, I apologize. With WGs comments, I was merely pointing out that Christianity played an important role in the history of the Celts just as I would have if a Christian dismissed the importance of the pre-Christian Celtic era.

About misunderstanding WGs comments.... I am just going to leave that one alone.

RavenWing:

Thank you for the forum and I hope that nothing that I have posted has been perceived as malicious or an attempt to force my views upon others.
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Posted: 09-Oct-2003, 12:09 AM
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I agree with you, Keltic. I believe that the one that is protesting the most tends to be quite judgemental themselves.


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Posted: 09-Oct-2003, 02:28 AM
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QUOTE (ranger @ Oct 9 2003, 06:09 AM)
I agree with you, Keltic. I believe that the one that is protesting the most tends to be quite judgemental themselves.

Hello Ranger
Can I assume that you are referring to me - as I seem to be the one that is 'protesting' most about other posters on this forum?
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Posted: 09-Oct-2003, 02:50 PM
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You'd be right, Cat. But I'm not one to argue, so that's why I tend to stay away from alot of the forums and stay in the ones I enjoy. Everyone needs a soapbox now and then. biggrin.gif
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