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What's your opinion of the Death Penalty?
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Posted on 13-Oct-2003, 04:57 PM
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QUOTE (MDF3530 @ Oct 13 2003, 05:07 PM)
I have to admit it. I'm one of the two that voted for the death penalty. If you commit the ultimate crime of murder, you should have to pay the ultimate penalty.

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Posted on 13-Oct-2003, 05:19 PM
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QUOTE (MDF3530 @ Oct 14 2003, 12:07 AM)
I have to admit it. I'm one of the two that voted for the death penalty. If you commit the ultimate crime of murder, you should have to pay the ultimate penalty.

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Hhmmm is that where you get your ideas from??

(Inflexible and has to be varnished before it looks good.)

The US is responsible for more state murder (Death Penalty) than any other country in the world except for China and Iran, I hope you're proud of that!

The death penalty does not exist in Europe and the murder rate is a small percentage of that of the state of Texas!

Then comes the question of false convictions etc. There is no excuse for state killing in a democracy!



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Posted on 13-Oct-2003, 05:46 PM
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Agreed Welsh. if even .0000000000005% of convictions are wrong that is 1 to many. And from what I have seen figures would seem to indicate more then that are wrongful convictions.
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  Posted on 13-Oct-2003, 06:04 PM
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Let me clarify my statement. I believe that the death penalty should only be reserved for those caught in the act of committing the murder. No feathers on the dog's muzzle. Caught in the henhouse.

Texas has made a mockery of "speedy trial by jury". Their version of that is the Old West version-try it in a kangaroo court then string 'em up.


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I think the death penalty should be abolished. It's too easy. They need to sit in jail, or do hard labor and contimplate what they did wrong.


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Posted on 13-Oct-2003, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE (maryellen @ Oct 13 2003, 07:04 PM)
I think the death penalty should be abolished.  It's too easy.  They need to sit in jail, or do hard labor and contimplate what they did wrong.


I'll disagree only minor it should be sit in jail and do hard labor. smile.gif And your right deaths to easy they don't suffer enough.
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Posted on 13-Oct-2003, 08:21 PM
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Posted on 13-Oct-2003, 08:54 PM
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And no possibility of parole doesn't mean out in 10 or 20. dry.gif
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Posted on 14-Oct-2003, 01:03 AM
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QUOTE (MDF3530 @ Oct 14 2003, 12:07 AM)
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I'm one of the two that voted for the death penalty. If you commit the ultimate crime of murder, you should have to pay the ultimate penalty
I am also one of the people who voted for the Death Penalty.

If I was to commit such a horrid crime. Then I believe I should pay for the crime by which it was committed. No Gas Chamber, No Hanging, No Lethal Injection unless the Crime was committed in such a manner.

For an example:
When the Mother (I use the word loosely) drowned her children in the car, in one of the Carolinas. I said that she should be drowned by the same method she did her children.

As far as Abortion, I do not know if it should be brought here or on another Thread. But I shall Post my viewpoints on that as well, at the Proper Time and Place. I am not going to change the discussion, it's going well thus far.


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Posted on 14-Oct-2003, 05:32 AM
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Richard this is fine as it was brought into this trhead for comparison so feel free to talk.

Man you don't have to worry so much this is an open forum unlike the outter forum which has to be a little more controled. We can discuss here and not worry and if a discussion gets slightly off topic not to worry is the nature of debate one subject invariablly brings up other close tied topics.

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Posted on 14-Oct-2003, 09:03 PM
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QUOTE (High Plains Drifter @ Oct 13 2003, 04:53 PM)
A rather ironic thing in this country is that most supporters of the death penalty are against abortion because they view it a the taking of a life. Is there something wrong with this picture? sad.gif


I do not support Abortion unless the Mother's life is threatened.

The Child did not commit a horrid crime or for that matter any crime. The act was committed by two Consenting Adults, whether by accident or deliberate. Thus the child is the innocent one.

The Death Penalty is not for the purpose of taking of a life. It is for stopping that killer from committing any more murders and hopefully deterring any others from doing the same. But when that person sits on, so called Death Row for 20 years. They get to live on for another 20 years while the Family of the ones sits and wonders if the murderer of their loved one get the chance to walk free because some Judge someplace doesn't think it is the proper thing to do.

If it was a Dog that intentionally killed a Human Being. Would not that Dog be put down?

What is the difference?
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Posted on 14-Oct-2003, 09:09 PM
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Posted on 17-Oct-2003, 05:54 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Bercot @ Oct 14 2003, 10:03 PM)
If it was a Dog that intentionally killed a Human Being.  Would not that Dog be put down?

And how do you know the Dog was intentionally attacking to kill? Just look at the recent so called attack in that magic Show. Turns out it was an accident but for weeks the media was reporting it as a vicious mauling. When it was later discovered it wasn't and in fact it was almost the act of a mother protecting it's young.

How can you be 100% sure that the person did the killing and if there is even a 1% chance he/she didn't do it or had good reason for doing it such as self defense then the DP is wrong period and in my eyes there will always be some doubt.
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Posted on 17-Oct-2003, 06:08 PM
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Rah rah High Plains and Richard! Very excellent point! clap.gif

I had thought of that, but held back thinking no one would support me. I was silly. I don't understand how many republicans are for the death penalty and against abortion. That's why one can't just vote according to party.
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Posted on 17-Oct-2003, 10:06 PM
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QUOTE (scottish2 @ Oct 17 2003, 06:54 PM)
And how do you know the Dog was intentionally attacking to kill? Just look at the recent so called attack in that magic Show. Turns out it was an accident but for weeks the media was reporting it as a vicious mauling. When it was later discovered it wasn't and in fact it was almost the act of a mother protecting it's young.

How can you be 100% sure that the person did the killing and if there is even a 1% chance he/she didn't do it or had good reason for doing it such as self defense then the DP is wrong period and in my eyes there will always be some doubt.

After a dealing of my own when my Wife was pinned in our house by a dog that was from nowhere in the community, tried to attack the Dog Warden when he was called. Then I would have to say this was an intentional act. And by the way, that particular dog was put down by my own hand when the Dog Warden gave me permission to do with the dog what I want. I am a person who lovers his dogs but I will not have a dog that is aggressive.

I never once thought however, that the Tiger you are referring to, made any kind of intensional act of aggression.

It is the ones who creates the intentional acts of murder whom I believe should be punished accordingly. When the murder kills, as I before mentioned, and shows no remorse. Then this is the type of person who would go out again and kill even if he is jailed for whatever number of years could still kill while they were incarcerated. What then? There are too many variables and different situation to say all murders are punishable by death. But to the ones who deserve it, should get it.

In the act of self defence which results in a death, the person doing the defending should not be put to the same punishment. While the one that was acting in self defence may have intentional killed the aggressor, the said person may have done so inorder to prevent the aggressor from carrying out his intentional act.

I understand what you are saying when you refer to the 1%. That is why we have Juries. And I understand that a Jury can be manipulated into believing. This is one of my reasons that I think we should take a deep look at our Legal System.
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