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Camac
Posted: 19-Mar-2010, 06:39 PM
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Peter Dow;

You are Sir the complete antithesis of eveything I believe in I would appreciate that you do not adress any of your postings to me.

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Posted: 19-Mar-2010, 07:15 PM
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QUOTE (Camac @ 18-Mar-2010, 11:32 AM)
Patch;

There a number of site for this guy o Google including UTube. Methinks it would be best if he weren't allowed on this Forum as the comments made are full of filth.


Camac.

Well some comments on the internet made ABOUT me are full of filth certainly.

Isn't it fair to read and to listen to what I have got to say about myself first?

If someone made a filthy comment about you Camac - should you be not allowed in this forum? No, of course you should be allowed and so should I.

Also my For Freedom Forums are for ROBUST political debate which means strong language is allowed to be used sometimes. Not always - they are very intellectual forums but strong language can be used from time to time without anyone getting banned.

A proper political forum SHOULD allow people to use strong language about things they feel strongly about.

If strong language and the people who use strong language is banned from a forum - then that forum isn't a proper political forum, just a kid-on "political forum" in name only.

Perhaps people who never like strong language think it is more important to be polite about stupid, dangerous fools in charge of things who get the Scots and other Celts killed because of their stupidity?

I think a person would have to be living in a protected bubble if no-one has ever made that person so angry with their stupidity or evil that that person thought it appropriate to use strong language about those who had made him or her so angry.

I have to write about very stupid, dangerous and lethal people in charge all the time in politics so it is natural that I use strong language from time to time but that does not make my criticisms wrong, just difficult to hear for some sensitive people maybe.

Well what is worse do you think?
  • A bit of strong language to save some lives or
  • just allowing Scots and other Celts to be killed and keeping very polite about it?

I know what I think is worse. rolleyes.gif

Let's have an example.

Supposing the people had been able to swear on TV about the Queen and the police giving a firearms certificate to Thomas Hamilton who therefore was allowed to keep guns he later used to kill the children at the Dunblane Primary School Massacre.

The Dunblane Primary School Children - 16 of whom and their teacher were shot dead in Dunblane, Scotland.
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Supposing people BEFORE THE MASSACRE those citizens who had big concerns about Hamilton had been allowed to shout and swear at the Queen and her police for allowing guns in the hands of a man they did not trust.

Suppose they had been allowed to shout and to swear so much, at the police station, on TV and in public meetings that this embarrassed the police and they could not just ban them like you would like to ban me.

Supposing they were allowed to show EXACTLY how angry they were with the stupid people the Queen allows in charge of the Scots?

Supposing Scotland was a free country and we were allowed to be angry at stupidity and we were allowed to show it, by shouting and swearing at the stupid police when they do something stupid?

I think the police would be so embarrassed that they would be forced to do a better job and save some lives.

What we have now is a polite silence as the Queen, her ministers and her police get innocent people killed.

I think it is worth allowing strong language if that means we can embarrass the stupid people into not being in charge of things all the time.

If we had that freedom to be angry and show it, those children would be alive today and many others would have been saved who have also been killed because those who knew better had to be polite and respectful as their good advice was ignored.

As it is, the Dunblane Primary School children are dead, because no-one is allowed to get angry about the stupidity which runs Scotland.

That is why so many people are being killed today for one reason or another.

The good Scottish clever thinkers and writers are still being banned from public life here in Scotland, same as you want me banned from this forum.

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Posted: 19-Mar-2010, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE (PeterDow @ 19-Mar-2010, 07:15 PM)

Is that the .tk links which are not working for you, scot.tk and figh.tk?

You could try these two links instead which use scot.cz.cc links.


One wonders why you find it necessary to register your site in either Tokelau, New Zealand or the Czech Republic. Why not a UK or a simple com domain?


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Posted: 19-Mar-2010, 08:51 PM
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Mr. Peter Dow, you crazy ole sod! What a surprise to see you posting here!

I caught a couple video link posts from you on Facebook when I was active there, and you made me laugh till me nearly soiled me britches. I mean, you indeed are mostly antithetical to all of what I believe - but I can't help but take you as comedy.

I will check out your links to see if you still have that ole touch.

Of course, there are some things that aren't funny at all - like that mascacre you described above.

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Posted: 20-Mar-2010, 09:23 AM
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englishmix;

As my Mother would say with her thick Scottish brogue Mr. Dow is "Bluidy Glaikit ( def:-stupid, sensless, silly). He claims to be a Scottish Republican, Nationalist, Socialist or what ever trapsing around in a lookalike Strumabteilung (Storm Trooper) uniform ranting against the Monarchy yet is photographed holding the Royal Standard of Scotland not the Saltire. Credibility just shot to hell.


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Posted: 20-Mar-2010, 10:06 AM
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Thought I'd throw my two cents in.

I don't know Mr. Dow nor do I know his politics.

As an American of Scottish ancestry (and English, Welsh, Irish, German, Swiss, French...even a couple Canadians smile.gif ) the question of Scottish independence is of but a passing interest to me (to find an ancestor of mine born in Scotland I have to go back at least 6 generations, and there is always at least one Ulster Scot standing between me and that ancestor). I still haven't figured out, if Scotland becomes an independent nation, how they won't have to take the Royal family with them. As far as I can tell the Windsor/Hanover claim to the monarchy is through the Stewart/Stuart line of succession.

I tried to watch his youtube dissertation but I became bored and stopped watching. What I do know is that unless and/or until he violates the TOS of this forum and the CR.net website he has as much right as any of us to express his position on any political subject, even if some or all of us oppose those positions.

What I do know is that for this forum to be anything other than a shouting contest between the various sides then any and all personal and/or ad hominem attacks need to be kept to an absolute minimum (or cease all together).


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Posted: 20-Mar-2010, 10:27 AM
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Mace;

I agree with what you say but I am saying that from what I have read of the comments made on his site (so called robust political debate) is not the type that we should tolerate. He can express his opinions but keep it with in the bounds of proper decorum. You are correct about the Monarchy in that the claim goes through the Stuart line hence back to the Bruce.


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Posted: 20-Mar-2010, 08:32 PM
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When I read the introduction to this unmoderated forum, I understood that it was "enter at your own risk." I figured that my many years dealing with and being involved in politics toughened my skin enough that I would survive it and I have. Some people seem to have a thinner skin though and maybe this is not the place for them. You have stood up well in my observation.

I personally believe that we can live with the lack of decorum. We definitely have that lack in the US. I have also observed it in my visits to your country and to Mexico. I suspect it is a world wide thing today. I just ignore what I feel is not relevant or lacks decorum. I recommend that approach highly.

If anyone believes that politics has any decorum or is genteel certainly knows little about the "game." There are many types of political persuasions and world wide they get along for the most part, though sometimes just by ignoring each other.

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Posted: 20-Mar-2010, 09:10 PM
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Patch;

Politics is a rough and dirty game but up hear it does have some rules mainly pertaining to language. If one has to revert to crude and invective language to make a point then the point is weak and not worth while.


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Posted: 20-Mar-2010, 10:29 PM
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Here foul language and deeds fill the halls of govt. I suspect more goes on in your country than meets the eye. It CERTAINLY does here. There is so much going on in DC now that it would be shocking if the public was aware of it. I suspect most is being saved for political fodder in Nov.

Remember when the Nixon tapes came out? The public was shocked by his language. I was not nor was any one else dealing with govt at the time. We had already heard about it during his first term. The two candidates in the last presidential election were about equal in their use of foul language and it was terrible. I think it is a hoot when a politician slips in polite/mixed company. When they use foul language with regularity they WILL slip up.

I am not so sure that even Queen Elizabeth could avoid some foul language when the press picked up on Phillip's indiscretions with Diana and the affair with his aged mistress. Especially the correspondence with his mistress that was made public. Then the rumors that abounded with Diana's tragic death. From what I hear from my English friends, that matter has not been put completely to rest in the minds of some in England. Surely a cause for further stressful moments for the Queen.

In these times, deeds concern me more than language. Foul language is usually a sign of a small mind and a poor command of the language. Maybe to some extent a cry for attention.

Whether we like it or not, I expect it will continue.

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