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Posted: 09-Nov-2009, 09:29 PM
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QUOTE (Dogshirt @ 09-Nov-2009, 08:29 PM)
If "They" knew about this in the last year, WHY was he still in the military? WHY wasn't he under some sort of scrutiny? WHY was he loose to do this sort of thing?

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY WHEN THEY LET PC interfere WITH PEOPLE'S SAFETY????????????? This guy should have "disappeared" years ago! If he had any hair, I'd put his scalp on my lodge pole, but as it is, I'd just be going through the motions!


What do you mean "why was he still loose to do this sort of thing?" What were they supposed to do incarcerate him for talking to an imam? Guilt by association? You ask why was he in the military. Is anyone in the military who associates with a radical religious leader of any faith subject to dismissal by virtue of that association? Should a Christian whose pastor is the same pastor who advised an abortion doctor's killer be suspect of wrongdoing simply by that association? Your own article here says, regarding his electronic communications with the imam:

"Hasan's messages were picked up by U.S. counterterrorism officials, but an inquiry into the matter was shelved because the contacts were not deemed to suggest a threat, this official said."

So he was under scrutiny. Yet scrutiny and investigation does not constitute some sort of flawless psychic foresight into probable futures. Its likely that Hasan was a lone nutter. No ties to radical Islamic groups have been reported as yet, except for the imam the article mentions, and as stated, those contacts were not deemed to suggest a threat. Hindsight is 20/20 foresight isn't.


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Posted: 09-Nov-2009, 10:32 PM
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QUOTE (Dogshirt @ 09-Nov-2009, 09:29 PM)
Just saw this on Yahoo;

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091110/ap_on_...od_shooting_231


If "They" knew about this in the last year, WHY was he still in the military? WHY wasn't he under some sort of scrutiny? WHY was he loose to do this sort of thing?

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY WHEN THEY LET PC interfere WITH PEOPLE'S SAFETY????????????? This guy should have "disappeared" years ago! If he had any hair, I'd put his scalp on my lodge pole, but as it is, I'd just be going through the motions!


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In an early interview with a mid level officer it was suggested that political correctness had come into play. I believe that news bit was late on the first day. It was also announced that the military will try him so expect a rather swift execution! He will have only one review after being sentenced so any arrangements he needs to make with Allah should be made quickly. I do not know if he will be executed in a federal prison or at Ft. Leavenworth. The last I knew they still hanged death sentence recipients at Leavenworth though that could have changed.

He was a real piece of work for sure!!

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Posted: 09-Nov-2009, 11:14 PM
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What do you mean "why was he still loose to do this sort of thing?"


What I MEAN is just what I said, after Nam, ANYONE with thoughts, tendencies or actions like his were put under observatory confinement. Do you think that issues like his are NEW? Asian soldiers had a VERY hard time after WWII, Korea, and Viet Nam, although it was usually suicide not homicide that was the outcome.
He should never been considered for further active duty and been discharged expeditiously!


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Should a Christian whose pastor is the same pastor who advised an abortion doctor's killer be suspect of wrongdoing simply by that association?--Antwn


Yes. If the pastor's advisements urge others to extremism. I also believe that if someone is regularly attending a church where the pastor is urging its parishoners to kill abortion doctors or blow up clinics...they too should be suspect. Why on earth would "a good Christian" stay at a church like that??

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Because some A--H--E didn't want to upset some group and do the Politically Correct thing 13 young people are dead and almost 2 score wounded. Who the hell started this PC bull. I am not even an American and I am really, really Pissed Off.
The idiot who made the decision not to tell about him should be hung right beside murderer preferrably not by the neck but by a lower part of the anatomy over a slow fire.


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Because some A--H--E didn't want to upset some group and do the Politically Correct thing 13 young people are dead and almost 2 score wounded. Who the hell started this PC bull. I am not even an American and I am really, really Pissed Off.
The idiot who made the decision not to tell about him should be hung right beside murderer preferrably not by the neck but by a lower part of the anatomy over a slow fire.


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Posted: 10-Nov-2009, 02:20 PM
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1st hand account from Ft. Hood
KFYI | 11/9/09 | Unknown

Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:04:13 AM by leapfrog0202

Warning from me: This is pretty graphic and is touching at the same time. You may need tissues handy...

This was read on the air by J.D. Hayworth, talk show host at KFYI in Phoenix. He received it from an officer that was just about to enter the building at Ft. Hood where the shooting happened. He wanted an accurate account out there since so far there's a lot of different accounts and they've yet to come together into 1 complete version.

Here's what he sent to KFYI:

First-Hand Account from Ft. Hood Monday 11-09-2009 2:57pm MT

Since I don't know when I'll sleep (it's 4 am now) I'll write what happened (the abbreviated version.....the long one is already part of the investigation with more to come). I'll not write about any part of the investigation that I've learned about since (as a witness I know more than I should since inevitably my JAG brothers and sisters are deeply involved in the investigation). Don't assume that most of the current media accounts are very accurate. They're not. They'll improve with time. Only those of us who were there really know what went down. But as they collate our statements they'll get it right.


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...To have no weapon I don't know how to explain what that felt like. I hadn't run away and stayed because I had thought about the consequences or anything like that. I wasn't thinking anything through. Please understand, there was no intention. I was just staying there because I didn't think about running. It never occurred to me that he might shoot me.

Until he started shooting in my direction and I realized I was unarmed....


One of the many problems with the Marxist/Leninist/Progressive/PC crowd is the belief we all are safer if the public is disarmed. This disaster is an example of what happens to people (many, if not most of whom were highly trained soldiers w/combat experience) when they are disarmed and the predatory monster is not.

You would think that the Officers and NCOs on a Military Base could be trusted/required to carry sidearms at all times while on duty, after all the last time I checked we are in two wars. Of course the chance of that happening in this PC world "are slim and none".

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The PC top brass and the President are apparently more concerned with "Diversity" than the security of our country and the troops: General Casey: diversity shouldn’t be casualty of Fort Hood

Their incompetence and failure to purge from the ranks people like Maj. Hasan actually puts loyal soldiers of the Muslim faith in more danger, not less. I'm sure the combat veterans here at CR.net can tell us what happens to the people in combat that can't be trusted to watch their brothers backs.


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From the above noted article:

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No doubt there are critics, like CAIR, who warn that any attempt to address the internal and external jihadist threat to military personnel will put every Muslim in the military and American Islam itself under the microscope. To the contrary, the violent and anti-American jihadist ideology is fairly easy to identify and distinguish from classic Islamic teaching. In fact, it is the critics themselves who readily conflate jihadism and Islam.

For these critics to say that you can’t target jihadist ideology without targeting the whole of Islam is an acknowledgment on their part that the two are inseparable — a point I doubt they are ready to concede. Regardless, they can’t have it both ways: either jihadist ideology has nothing to do with Islam, as Islamic groups constantly represent, and thus it can be addressed without infringing on their freedom of religion; or they must admit, along with the “Islamophobes,” that jihadist ideology and the violence it promotes are part and parcel with Islam. The question for these critics is unavoidable: which is it?


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QUOTE (MacEoghainn @ 10-Nov-2009, 04:54 PM)
[ I'm sure the combat veterans here at CR.net can tell us what happens to the people in combat that can't be trusted to watch their brothers backs.

I touched on that earlier. In combat, first the enemy "within" is eliminated. People think that is terrible but combat is about survival and winning. The military would be remiss if they put Muslims in combat after this incident.

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QUOTE (Patch @ 10-Nov-2009, 06:34 PM)
I touched on that earlier.  In combat, first the enemy "within" is eliminated.  People think that is terrible but combat is about survival and winning.  The military would be remiss if they put Muslims in combat after this incident. 

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I was always told that incompetents are "left in the rear with the gear" and those dangerous people that need to be "removed" find themselves permanently walking point or acting as human mine detectors.
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Actually it went even further on occasion.

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Anyone ever heard the term "fragged"?


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