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QUOTE (Patch @ 06-Nov-2009, 10:55 PM)
Had you followed the news about this as closely as I have, you would have caught all of the things I posted.


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"No matter what his motive was, I hear NO ONE from the Islamic community (other than his family and they are probably scared out of their witts) speaking out against this terrible act. I do not hold his family responsible but some may!"

Now you say it was because the media didn't tell you about it. Yes , if the media doesn't say so it doesn't happen. Had you bothered to look you would have found what I did in a few seconds ...as I did. Yet now you must justify. Why don't you just admit you didn't make an effort to find out if anything was said. Nevermind Patch, no matter what you do you're still transparent.


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Posted: 07-Nov-2009, 05:33 PM
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I have never felt a need to justify any thing to you. For the rest I was following the news nearly constantly from the time this first started. Strange that even the liberal media did not cover this aspect. Actually the first Muslim I heard speak against this was reported on Fox News this AM when his Imam stated that during two discussions with the Major he told him "there was something wrong with him." He failed though to report it to anyone else. Nice guy! There have been some denunciations slowly coming out today from mostly smaller Islamic groups. Now I am watching football but will catch up when that is over. I can not credit the military with too much good judgement in this matter either.

No matter, he is not long for this world and that is as it should be.

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The shooter is one of the people who help debreaf incoming and outgoing. I wonder what damage he did while he was in a professional capacity?
My son Matthew is Station at Ft Hood but he is at his 3rd tour over in Iraq right now. He is due back in January.

I have 2 clients that have son's that are stationed at Ft Hood so you can imagine how they felt til they spoke with their son's? I would be terrified.


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I will never believe he is an American Citizen....

When he apologized for America to the rest of the world appalled me.

America is the one that was attacked and when he apologized I knew no matter what he does during his administration I could never respect someone who would represent me that way. His apology was a slap in every veteran's face in AMerica!

I think no one should be able to hold the office of President unless he has been in the Armed Forces. That way he knows how it feels. This President hasen't a clue.
And for the Nobel Peace Prize that holds no value to me anymore. I thought it was to people who made a difference, not talked about when they were going to do something.

I'll be glad when this last 3 years are over. Maybe we can get AMerica going again and people will have jobs again.

I'd like to kick everyone that voted for him.
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Pontificate if you must, but I don't think anyone knows enough about the motives of this man to draw an accurate conclusion at this point. --Antwn


Here I go...pontificating again...but wait, that's what I thought this forum was all about! I won't assume any answer is the right answer at this point, but we certainly do need to try and understand it (not to be confused w/agreeing w/it).

We may never understand exactly why Hasan did this unless he survives and is able to tell us. But in grieving tradegies such as this, it's natural for a community of people to react with horror, anger and disbelief. I think this thread is important, because we need to continue to discuss the issues surrounding the tradgedy - not bury it and our feelings about it. Our job isn't to attack each other and try to insult, but to state an opinion or feeling about it. If we keep the discourse open and safe, much can be learned from one another.

So the theories are:
A. He was nothing but a terrorist ideologue
B. He was unstable to begin with
C. He was overwhelmed w/secondary PTSD/Compassion fatigue and "lost it" upon learning of his own deployment

Did I leave any out? Please add if I did. So now we try to heal and minimize or prevent similar tradegies right?

Here's a NY Time's article I thought worthy of further consideration of the tradgedy:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/08/us/08str...dsredirect=true








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Those with children in the middle east now fighting have the constant fear of "notification". They can relax when their loved ones are in the US? Not any more.

The Major was disciplined at Walter Reed for failing to do his job properly IE: improperly counseling patients re the war. He was transferred and scheduled for deployment for that reason. He could have been responsible for the increase in suicide numbers with the returning vets. We will never know that though. He was practicing his religion as he understood it from the Koran and in doing so caused death and serious injury to Americans. That is terrorism whether the act is either caused by a group or an individual. It matters not! Many knew the Major harbored radical Islamic beliefs and did nothing. That would include at the least his Islamic spiritual advisor (off post) the military it's self, fellow military personnel and quite likely his family and MANY others in his circle of friends neighbors and acquaintances. Not all Muslims believe as the Major does but the number who do not is much lower than we would like to believe.

As for obama, he does not act like a citizen and a court case still is in the upper levels of the system to force determination of his status officially. So far those trying to force determination of his birth place have won in every important hearing and the case continues. I understand it is pretty much funded. There is a topic here that relates to his "birth location" which created quite a controversy with the supporters of the left. If he was not born on American soil, he can not serve as president. I would not serve under him and my grandchildren will not.

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When I had recovered from my wounds and was discharged from the Hospital in 1970 I was posted to a training unit at Fort Sam Houston. It was our task to train new Doctors, Nurses and other Medical Professionals the basics of being soldiers. Drill, weapons, map reading and survival in combat, to name a few. I was newly married and my wife was 3 months pregnant and life seem pretty good with one exception, I could not shake a longing to return to Viet Nam. I missed Combat or more so the excitment of Combat, the fear, exhileration, the adrenalin rush and even the shakes and vomitting ( I always threw up after coming down off the adrenalin, still do)) after the fight was over. I was screwed up and didn't know it.
In mid November just over a month after Paula was born I cracked. I went to the pshyciatrist and was put on a pretty powerful tranquilizer, big mistake, I took an overdoze in an attempt to committ suicide. The only reason I am here to-day is that somehow I fell out of bed which woke up my wife and she called the ambulance and I was rushed to Brooke Army Med. Centre and my stomach was pumped out. For the next six months I was in therapy, that is also the time that the drinking started to take hold. I was transferred to Germany in April 71 and had to continue with the therapy for another six months by which time I was a full blown alcoholic. It wasn't the therapy that made me drink it was that I found it alot easier to cope when I had a few shots in me, a good few. The booze finally did me in in the fall of 72 and I was re-hospitalized to dry our. What saved me that time was that my wife and daughter had joined me in Germany and I decided that I wanted to stick around and watch my little girl grow up. At this time I also somehow learned to control the constant yearning to return to combat and in Sept. 73 left the Army and came Home to Canada. The whole time I was going through this mental upheaval I only saw a psychiatrist 3 or 4 times mostly I talked to Mental Health Specialist. There was also a certain stigma attatched to this and of course it became part of my permanent record. I remember the 1st segeant saying that I would never get higher than Staff Sergeant E-6 because the Army "do'nt want no f-----g nut cases as top sergeants". In some small way I can relate to those who suffer from P.T.S.D. I am a victim and I think that maybe in some way it contributed to the breakup of my marriage 13 years later.


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Camac,

Soooo well said. Thank you for your service and for the above post. There are no words that can describe how important your above post is.

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Fort Hood shooting: Texas army killer linked to September 11 terrorists

Reporting you'll never see in the American "LameStream Press"


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MacEoghainn:

Some of the things made the news but not the most incriminating. It will be interesting to see what comes of this.

Jillian:

I am guessing it was "B". He used the military to gain an education and when it came time to pay the military back he flipped out. There were plenty of signs and the tragedy still happened.

Camac:

You accurately describe what happens to many returning soldiers. You were fortunate in that many are successful in their suicide attempts. Prior to VN most soldiers did not know if they had killed anyone. From VN on there is a face to go with many of the shots fired. It becomes very personal and the effect is much more profound. Some take many years to recover and some never do. Some justify what is happening at the time. Some feel it is between themselves and God! I personally did and do prefer the latter two. I did for a while drink my share and probably several other peoples share of scotch and beer. I never felt it was for anything but entertainment but who knows.

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For years I saw the faces of those whose existence I ended. It rarely happens now as I think I have reconciled myself to what happened. As vindictive as this may sound I hope that the face of those he murdered haunt the coward every moment of his remaining life right up to the end.It is fitting retribution.


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QUOTE (MacEoghainn @ 08-Nov-2009, 03:20 PM)
Fort Hood shooting: Texas army killer linked to September 11 terrorists

Reporting you'll never see in the American "LameStream Press"

Does CBS news qualify as "lamestream press?" This article even mentions the one you cited. Its seems your use of the word "never" was premature.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/08/...ent;cbsCarousel
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QUOTE (Antwn @ 08-Nov-2009, 05:58 PM)
QUOTE (MacEoghainn @ 08-Nov-2009, 03:20 PM)
Fort Hood shooting: Texas army killer linked to September 11 terrorists

Reporting you'll never see in the American "LameStream Press"

Does CBS news qualify as "lamestream press?" This article even mentions the one you cited. Its seems your use of the word "never" was premature.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/08/...ent;cbsCarousel

CBS certainly does qualify!

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Just saw this on Yahoo;

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091110/ap_on_...od_shooting_231


If "They" knew about this in the last year, WHY was he still in the military? WHY wasn't he under some sort of scrutiny? WHY was he loose to do this sort of thing?

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY WHEN THEY LET PC interfere WITH PEOPLE'S SAFETY????????????? This guy should have "disappeared" years ago! If he had any hair, I'd put his scalp on my lodge pole, but as it is, I'd just be going through the motions!


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I always felt a well tanned skin made a fine trophy too. Hair is optional! Especially in his case.

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