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Camac
Posted: 16-Aug-2009, 03:30 PM
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Antwn;

I am gratified that I made you laugh. If yoy insiders are befuddled then this dumb Canauck with the frost bitten brain doesn't fell alone.



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PS ; Frostbitten Brain syndrome comes from trying to have a conversation with a Polar Bear.
               
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QUOTE (Camac @ 16-Aug-2009, 10:32 AM)
SCShamrock;

Whether you believe Obama is Satan or the Anti-Christ is not the point. The point is that the person who dug through his dog-eared highlighted copy of the bible searching for obscure quotes to conform to his ideology and then posting it on U-Tube is not alone. As an outsider looking in I some times get the impression that individuals like him form a very great part of your society which seems to be unable to wipe their backsides without envoking god. God is not an American Citizen though I am sure a great many Americans believe so.

Now, I realize that your posting was done in a scarcastic vein but it seems that some of the comments are getting a tad nasty and tempers are getting ragged. Decorum please alway Decorum. Any way what do I know, I'm just a dumbass Canuck whose brain got frostbit.



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I don't think you're a dumbass anything. The post was meant in jest...and admittedly to stir the ire of some of my celtic friends (fiends?) that frequent the political forum as I do. But I knew that it would generate some dissatisfaction of sorts. It seems as though some here look for my name in a posting so they can get in a little fencing practice between serious moments. And that's ok too. In the end, I think we all care about each other. I know I do.

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SCShamrock;

I have to admitt that when you first posted the satan thing it took me off guard and irked. Took awhile to realize it was in jest but then when the brain gets frostbit it tends to slow down. For my part I have to admit that you Yanks ain't to bad and there are quiet a few I would call friend.

I would like to get more involved in the Politcs discussions but frankly I do not understand your system that well and what little knowledge I have on the subject tends to baffle me. Our system just seems so much simpler. Our P.M is a Conservative the Government is Conservative. If he's a Liberal the Government is Liberal. As to our Senate. Well for one thing it's appointed not elected and nobody pays them any mind most of the time unless there is some sort of scandal or they try to hold up a Bill. The only Senator I could name is Mike Duffy and he use to be a News Commentator.Under our system the power is in the House of Commons and not even Her Majesty the Queen can over rule it. Our system even differs from the English Parliament in that we do not have a House of Lords. It's against the law for a Canadian to hold a Peerage. Those who do renounced their Citizenship.



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I came across this today. I thought it was a very interesting read.



Dr. Krauthammer is on Fox News. He is an M.D. and he is paralyzed from the
neck down. Be forewarned on what is happening. A friend went to hear Charles
Krauthammer. He listened with 25 others in closed room. What he says here,
is NOT 2nd-hand, but 1st. You would do well to read and pass this along to
EVERYBODY that loves his country. This is VERY serious for the direction of
our country. The ramifications are staggering for us and our children.

Last Monday was a profound evening, hearing Dr. Charles Krauthammer speak to
the Center for the American Experiment. He is brilliant intellectual, seasoned and articulate. He is forthright and careful in his analysis, and never resorts to emotions or personal insults. He is NOT a fear monger nor an extremist in his comments and views. He is a fiscal conservative, and has a Pulitzer Prize for writing. He is a frequent contributor to Fox News and writes weekly for the Washington Post. The entire room was held spellbound during his talk. I have shared this with many of you and several have asked me to summarize his comments, as we are living in uncharted waters
economically and internationally.

Even 2 Dems at my table agreed with everything he said! If you feel like forwarding this to those who are open minded and have not drunk the Kool-Aid, feel free. Summary of his comments:

1. Mr. Obama is a very intellectual, charming individual. He is not to be underestimated. He is a cool customer who doesn't show his emotions. It's very hard to know what's behind the mask. Taking down the Clinton dynasty from a political neophyte was an amazing accomplishment. The Clintons still do not understand what hit them. Obama was in the perfect place at the perfect time.

2. Obama has political skills comparable to Reagan and Clinton. He has a way of making you think he's on your side, agreeing with your position, while doing the opposite. Pay no attention to what he SAYS; rather, watch what he DOES!

3. Obama has a ruthless quest for power. He did not come to Washington to
make something out of himself, but rather to change everything, including
dismantling capitalism. He can't be straightforward on his ambitions, as the
public would not go along. He has a heavy hand, and wants to level the playing field with income redistribution and punishment to the achievers of society. He would like to model the USA to Great Britain or Canada .

4. His three main goals are to control ENERGY, PUBLIC EDUCATION, AND
NATIONAL HEALTH CARE by the Federal government. He doesn't care about the
auto or financial services industries, but got them as an early bonus. The cap and trade will add costs to everything and stifle growth. Paying for FREE college education is his goal. Most scary is his healthcare program, because if you make it FREE and add 46,000,000 people to a Medicare-type single-payer system, the costs will go through the roof. The only way to control costs is with massive RATIONING of services, like in Canada. God forbid.

5. He has surrounded himself with mostly far-left academic types. No one around him has ever even run a candy store. But they are going to try and run the auto, financial, banking and other industries. This obviously can't work in the long run. Obama is not a socialist; rather he's a far-left secular progressive bent on nothing short of revolution. He ran as a moderate, but will govern from the hard left. Again, watch what he does,
not what he says.

6. Obama doesn't really see himself as President of the United States , but more as a ruler over the world. He sees himself above it all, trying to orchestrate and coordinate various countries and their agendas. He sees moral equivalency in all cultures. His apology tour in Germany and England was a prime example of how he sees America, as an imperialist nation that has been arrogant, rather than a great noble nation that has at times made errors. This is the first President ever who has chastised our allies and
appeased our enemies!

7. He is now handing out goodies. He hopes that the bill (and pain) will not come due until after he is re-elected in 2012. He would like to blame all problems on Bush from the past, and hopefully his successor in the future. He has a huge ego, and Mr. Krauthammer believes he is a narcissist.

8. Republicans are in the wilderness for a while, but will emerge strong. We're pining for another Reagan, but there will never be another like him. Krauthammer believes Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty and Bobby Jindahl (except for his terrible speech in February) are the future of the party. Newt Gingrich is brilliant, but has baggage. Sarah Palin is sincere and intelligent, but needs to really be seriously boning up on facts and info if
she is to be a serious candidate in the future. We need to return to the party of lower taxes, smaller government, personal responsibility, strong national defense, and state's rights.

9. The current level of spending is irresponsible and outrageous. We are spending trillions that we don't have. This could lead to hyper-inflation, depression or worse. No country has ever spent themselves into prosperity.
The media is giving Obama, Reid and Pelosi a pass because they love their
agenda. But eventually the bill will come due and people will realize the huge bail outs didn't work, nor will the stimulus package.
These were trillion-dollar payoffs to Obama's allies, unions and the Congress to placate the left, so he can get support for #4 above.

10. The election was over in mid-September when Lehman brothers failed, fear
and panic swept in, we had an unpopular President, and the war was grinding on indefinitely without a clear outcome. The people are in pain, and the mantra of change caused people to act emotionally. Any Dem would have won this election; it was surprising it was as close as it was.

11. In 2012, if the unemployment rate is over 10%, Republicans will be swept
back into power. If it's under 8%, the Dems continue to roll. If it's between 8-10%, it will be a dogfight. It will all be about the economy. I hope this gets you really thinking about what's happening in Washington and Congress. There is a left-wing revolution going on, according to Krauthammer, and he encourages us to keep the faith and join the loyal
resistance. The work will be hard, but we're right on most issues and can reclaim our country, before it's far too late.

Do yourself a long term favor, send this to all who will listen to an intelligent assessment of the big picture. All our futures and children's futures depend on our good understanding of what is really going on in DC!!!! And our action pursuant to that understanding! !! It really IS up to each of us to take individual action!!! Start with educating your friends and neighbors!!!
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Posted: 20-Aug-2009, 06:05 PM
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I'd take this with a grain of salt.

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Statement from Dr. Charles Krauthammer
about his American Experiment Annual Dinner Remarks


A number of people have asked about the availability of an audio recording or transcript of Charles Krauthammer’s brilliant remarks at American Experiment’s 2009 Annual Dinner on June 1.  We’re sorry, but Dr. Krauthammer has informed us that he does not disseminate comments made at private events.  He also has advised us that a summary of his speech on the Internet is “neither accurate nor authoritative.”  His full statement follows.  The Center regrets any disappointment or confusion.

This account is neither accurate nor authoritative. My views on Obama are well known. I’ve explained them in a series of five columns. (See below.) 

This email is somebody putting his own ideological stamp and spin on my views.

One giveaway of the superimposition of someone else's views on mine is the rather amusing use of phrases that I never use. To take just a few examples randomly: "God forbid," "far left secular progressive," “this is the first president ever who has chastised our allies and appeased our enemies!” “no country had ever spent themselves into prosperity,” and, the real doozy,"states rights.”

My views are clearly spelled out in that series of columns and subsequent writings. Anyone who wants to know my views should consult those and not this email.

Charles Krauthammer


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You can find links to his five articles on the American Experiment page.


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I have never met obama and doubt I ever will. I know a state D committeeman though who did meet obama twice. once during the campaign, and again at an Inaugural ball. He related to me that obama has the personality of a snake. Very cold and calculating.

That, for whatever it is worth.

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QUOTE (Patch @ 21-Aug-2009, 04:47 PM)
I have never met obama and doubt I ever will. I know a state D committeeman though who did meet obama twice. once during the campaign, and again at an Inaugural ball. He related to me that obama has the personality of a snake. Very cold and calculating.

That, for whatever it is worth.

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It's pretty dreadful what it's worth. Once again you have on tap some nameless anecdotal expert as your authority, and God forbid you should dirty your own hands with a direct opinion -- and of course you are bumping up the validity scale by claiming he's a D -- to spread a message you can't or won't substantiate, but only insinuate. Do you get paid for this or something? Name some damned names when you do this -- you aren't some kind of professional that has to protect his sources to keep exclusive access. At least, I don't think you are. It isn't even whether it's true that Obama has a calculating personality; frankly I think he'd better, if he's going to survive in a pit full of vipers. It's the snakish way you zing these things in and so innocently let them fall where they may, "for whatever it's worth," that brings your whole position down.
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I once knew a guy who knew a guy who had a dog who tried to hump Obama's leg once in Hawaii just like dogs do to anyone when they have the desire, so Obama must be a regular guy, but its hard to say since the first guy was a libertarian and the second was an independent. Still don't know how the dog was registered. But the guy also had a mongoose who left Obama alone - so he's probably not a snake.

So there it is - for what its worth.

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QUOTE (Antwn @ 23-Aug-2009, 06:09 PM)
I once knew a guy who knew a guy who had a dog who tried to hump Obama's leg once in Hawaii just like dogs do to anyone when they have the desire, so Obama must be a regular guy, but its hard to say since the first guy was a libertarian and the second was an independent. Still don't know how the dog was registered. But the guy also had a mongoose who left Obama alone - so he's probably not a snake.

So there it is - for what its worth.

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I do not know obama nor did I support him so of course I would not get tickets to any inauguration balls. The person who told me this was disappointed in the man and he did not say, "you can use my name." Because of that, I WILL NOT! Even if I would divulge his name you still would not believe it.

Your statement was enjoyable though you seem to have missed the actual statement. It was not that obama "was" a snake, "He had the personality of a snake. Very cold and calculating." That is a big difference.

Here again we appear to have some confusion, though my statement was clear.

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QUOTE (Patch @ 23-Aug-2009, 07:53 PM)
Your statement was enjoyable though you seem to have missed the actual statement.  It was not that obama "was" a snake, "He had the personality of a snake.  Very cold and calculating."  That is a big difference.

Here again we appear to have some confusion, though my statement was clear.


No real confusion. Using the word "snake" about a known human is an abbreviated way of saying "personality like a snake." Like "pig," or "rat." You're working too hard.

You're also working awfully hard to defend the fact that you are spreading around a bit of low-level hearsay with big claims about where it's coming from. Even if the attribution is true, it's just name-dropping without the name. There is no particular virtue in "protecting" the source for a dreary little insult, but you needn't take on like someone is trying to wring it out of you. Someone is not.
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I've never met Obama either. Don't want to. I think he is a self-serving, lying, and loathsome character; a wretched sonofabitch with zero appreciation for the things which made our country great and will do anything to make a name for himself. Snake? Nahhh, snakes just want to eat, crap, and lay in the sun.
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QUOTE (SCShamrock @ 24-Aug-2009, 06:35 AM)
I've never met Obama either. Don't want to. I think he is a self-serving, lying, and loathsome character; a wretched sonofabitch with zero appreciation for the things which made our country great and will do anything to make a name for himself. Snake? Nahhh, snakes just want to eat, crap, and lay in the sun.

Actually, I have two large pythons that I am keeping for my grandsons. I kink of like them. However, they are "cold and calculating" and deficient in personality. The rats who have met them , now all deceased, would probably not even give them that.

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Your new President has been in office 8 months and it seems gentlemen that you are taking exteme pleasure in vilifying and denigrating him. Perhaps you would like to return to the good old days of "Georgie W." or better still Nixon. He is just a man not a Messiah and mistakes will be made (hopefully not to serious). You must remember also that all politicians are self seving or they wouldn't be where they are. They will lie to get elected, lie to stay elected and when tossed out of office make a fortune on lecture tours and memoirs. This is a Politician. So far as I can see from the outside Obama is no better or no worse than most.


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PS. I just had a thought. I have the perfect candidate for you. Names Harper and he's our P.M.
               
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I suspect that in a year we will have gridlock again and that will be good!

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QUOTE (Patch @ 24-Aug-2009, 12:20 PM)
I suspect that in a year we will have gridlock again and that will be good!

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Judging by the Democrats inability to agree on much of anything, we may already be approaching gridlock.


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