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olorin 
Posted: 20-Jan-2009, 12:55 AM
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speaking of i have a big hole in my pants and i do need "another thread"


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Posted: 20-Jan-2009, 01:28 AM
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Just wanted to mention that the vagaries of this game are many and varied. We've got glitches arising from the game's beta status, we are attacked or we attack. Anyone who believes they will remain unscathed is naive in the extreme. Some folks need to learn how to deal with their losses and move on. That's part of the game and what makes it challenging.


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Posted: 20-Jan-2009, 01:31 AM
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Agreed Scotsman. I think people here take this game way too seriously when they are attacked as I have always said since I first joined this game. Those same people who are crying because they got attacked are probably the same ones who would attack someone and then bash said person for complaining about being attacked.

As for the other issue, you guys have fun wink.gif I'll enjoy watching this thread develop hehe


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Posted: 20-Jan-2009, 01:41 AM
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here is the targets list to the other clan members that were involved in this war against EIO.


If you wish me to put it in your words than...

Your implication that I was involved in the EIO war was incorrect. I did not participate in that battle in any manner or form. naughty.gif

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Posted: 20-Jan-2009, 02:12 AM
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Getting personal again I see Subhuman...

All I requested is that you get facts straight before spreading misinformation. It's a fairly simple request for most people, however you seem to have difficulty with it.

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I posted the targets list on this thread for the sole purpose to have Lord Gandolf3339 know that is was not only the MacInnes that were involved in this war.

Ok, again- those lists were of people who were requested to join in the attacks; so far everyone on that list has said they did not participate.
Now you've stated again that we were involved.

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In my post sir I do not insinuate anything about you...like I said and repeat or maybe you can't read properly my post ... it was only the target list to show to lord Gandolf3339 that it was not only MacInnes involved.

AGAIN, I was not involved in this war. Apparently others on that lists also were not involved in this war as well.

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My Lord gandolf3339,

I know that you think that only MacInnes was involved but here is the targets list to the other clan members that were involved in this war against EIO.

In this, you clearly state that I (and others) were involved in this war. If you meant to present it as a list of potential targets, then you should have presented it that way instead of incorrectly stating that myself (and others) were involved.

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Can't you read properly when one posts...in my posts I never mentioned that any of you attacked anyone...it's a list for godsake????

Umm, yes you did... several times in fact. Several of them were quoted above.

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I know that you Lord Subhuman enjoys very much playing with words and all but instead of taking everything we say personally start by reading properly the posts and instead of analyzing this and that you should try and analyze the meaning of the words one writes.

You apparently have me confused with yourself. You keep stating one thing, then claiming you meant something else.
Maybe there's some confusion with the meaning of "involved in the war." When I see that phrase, it means that the party in question participated in one or more battles. Apparently you think it means something else entirely, in this case "received a message."

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I'm beginning to think that you are one of those "crybabies" my lord...for you seemed to always take my posts to a certain personal level.

If a person repeatedly kept spreading false information about you, wouldn't you eventually get offended by it as well?

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And again...why in hellfire are you saying that I make assumptions when all I did was post a target list that was posted to each and everyone of you...

Your assumption is that we participated in those attacks. Shenaniganz said the same in his post "Again it is all in assumption that these attacks were made" are his exact words.

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Also, both Lord Subhuman and Lord Shenaniganz states that you were "requested" when our Laird never "requested" anything from you he said that we were to attack and since we are allied he told you that you could join.

Did you see the message he sent me? It most definitely was a request, not an invitation. It told me who to attack, when to attack them, and how to allocate my forces between my armies. That is a lot more than a simple "feel free to join in" invitation you imply I received. Here's an excerpt from that message:
"On Saturday, December 6, 2008 and the early hours of Sunday, December 8, 2008, a day that will live in infamy, launch against your assigned target at will." With how that's worded, it's either an order to attack or a request to do so- not an invitation to join in.
So now we've found another false assumption on your part; the assumption that were were invited to join in instead of requested to do so. smile.gif

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Now you are all here on my back just because that Lord could not even take the heat and I'm trying to show him that it was not only the MacInnes in this...and try to discredit me as if I spread falsehood...hmmm! Interesting coming from allies...very interesting indeed.

The problem here is that you are spreading falsehoods. Olorin, Shananiganz and myself were all listed by you as being involved in the EIO-MacInnes war when we weren't.



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Posted: 20-Jan-2009, 03:16 AM
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I am in no way dishonoring this alliance in ANY way LOA. The dishonorable thing to me seems that you are so willing to just throw names under the bus to take the heat of yourself some. Again an assumption is you assuming we carried through with these attack plans that were set before us. so therefore you are "assuming" we were also in the foray of these attacks. I in no way look to dishonor you, your fellow clan members or anyone else I am in alliance with, but I also will not be laid out to the guillotine and left out to die on my own because of someone's assumption of something.

Yes I did say that IF I could have attacked I would.... but you see the key word there is IF. It seems that some of the others on that list of "invites" as you call it did not partake either.

I am not trying to be all on your back because of this little scuffle between you and lord gandolf but I also do not like to be thrown into the mix for no apparent reason whatsover... that's not much of honoring an alliance either my lady.

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QUOTE (subhuman @ 20-Jan-2009, 02:12 AM)
LoA,

All I requested is that you get facts straight before spreading misinformation.  It's a fairly simple request for most people, however you seem to have difficulty with it.

The problem here is that you are spreading falsehoods.  Olorin, Shananiganz and myself were all listed by you as being involved in the EIO-MacInnes war when we weren't.

Lord Subhuman,

No offense sir but say whatever you like I don't really care what you may think of me anyways...for you are "analyzing" every little word and then fixing it in a way to discredit another and credit yourself just by the way you are "dissecting" everything in your post...you like to have the last word...you always "whine" about this and that when your are on the spot light

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The problem here is that you are spreading falsehoods. Olorin, Shananiganz and myself were all listed by you as being involved in the EIO-MacInnes war when we weren't.

Thank you for calling me a liar and sir I did not "listed"anything here it's a copy& paste of what was sent to you that' all...I did not write it myself. Now who's making assumptions here... You want to choose to interprete my words this way so be it I know that is your way...but you don't even take the time to acknowledge when a member sends her apologies to you...and I think you should sometimes acknowledge others...other than when you feel attacked by supposedly falsehoods it prove to me how selfcentered you are.


It seems that my message to Lord Gandof3339 has been greatly misunderstood by all of you in claiming that "I" make false assumptions...well I'm sorry for this was not intented as being "falsehood" spread against any of you.

Again if I cannot express myself properly because of the words written...I apologize for this also.I may not have the same "eloquence" of words as you.The whole meaning for this was to show Lord Gandolf3339 who seemed to continue whining on this, that is was not only the MacInnes...it has been a mistake from my part for it seems that have all taken it as personal attack against you and the alliance with the MacInnes clan.You all seem to think for some reason that I "implied" that you have attacked clan EIO...I have never mentioned this.


You all want to play with words here well so be it....there is nothing I can do for that...it's your choice.notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif


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that applies to all of us "involved" into this game.

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Posted: 20-Jan-2009, 12:43 PM
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The whole meaning for this was to show Lord Gandolf3339 who seemed to continue whining on this, that is was not only the MacInnes.

LoA, you're missing the entire point of all this: apparently it was only the MacInnes who participated in that war.

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You all seem to think for some reason that I "implied" that you have attacked clan EIO...I have never mentioned this.

In my previous post, I quoted you three times where you said the people on that list were involved in the attack.
I see no point in doing it again.

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for you are "analyzing" every little word and then fixing it in a way to discredit another and credit yourself just by the way you are "dissecting" everything in your post...

Analyzing? You were very clear, it was simply stated "I know that you think that only MacInnes was involved but here is the targets list to the other clan members that were involved in this war against EIO."
There's no need to analyze anything, you stated it as a fact that the people on that list were involved- when we were not. In subsequent posts, you still maintained that we were involved.

Why are you directing all this at me? Both Shenaniganz and Olorin have said the same as myself: that you made an incorrect assumption that we attacked our "assigned targets" in that war.

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but you don't even take the time to acknowledge when a member sends her apologies to you

That apology you made, in my opinion, was empty. It came less than three hours after, in another thread, you referred to "predatory behavior" and "sharks." Rather than starting another argument- which seems to have happened here anyway- I was letting the matter drop.
I would be perfectly happy if we didn't need to have these flame wars every few weeks; however when someone is spreading falsehoods about me I will respond.

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No offense sir but say whatever you like I don't really care what you may think of me anyways..

Why did this come up? Where did I ever say anything about what I may or may not think of you? Could we please stick to the topic at hand instead of occluding it with a smokescreen?

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Thank you for calling me a liar

I did no such thing; the definition of a liar is one who spreads lies. Lies are defined as intentional falsehoods. I never said you did this intentionally.
( http://www.thefreedictionary.com/liar and http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lie )
All I asked in the very beginning was that you verify facts before telling tales. Period. I never said that you intentionally misled anyone or intentionally mis-stated facts. Until this paragraph, I did not use the word "lie" or "liar" either. Even now, it's being used to clarify the definition of the word since you say your English is not very good; a reference to a dictionary should help clarify any possible misunderstandings.
The key is intent; if you knew we didn't participate in the attacks yet were trying to mislead people into thinking we did, then you lied. If you yourself thought we participated, then you had no intent to mislead but did it because- as I stated previously- you failed to verify facts first.
In your original post, I think you made an honest mistake by assuming we participated when we didn't. However, if you continue to incorrectly label us (to clarify, in this case "us" means Olorin, Shenaniganz and myself) as participants in the EIO-MacInnes war, then yes- at that point I will call you a liar.

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it has been a mistake from my part for it seems that have all taken it as personal attack against you and the alliance with the MacInnes clan.

LoA, once again you're confusing other people with yourself. You are the one who said that we weren't acting like allies and you made the veiled threats about our alliance, not the others here. I also have to point out that you're the one who keeps calling this a personal attack.
To me, it was a simple matter of attempting to correct what I perceived to be an incorrect assumption on your part.
Why did this have to get blown up into this huge debate?

You keep saying I over-analyze posts, however IMO you're reading way too much into them. I'm not getting personal here, nor am I interpreting what you say as a personal attack- yet you seem to think I am. I haven't called you a liar, yet you're saying I have.

Do me a favor, in the future when you read my posts don't assume there's meanings other than what I stated. What I say is pretty much exactly what I mean.
Very few people are gifted with the ability to carry tone and inflection over in text; it's not easy to see when someone is joking or being sarcastic- so it's best to just plainly state whatever it is you're trying to say.
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