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I am a Celtic music fan who is also a poet/songwriter doing grassroots political work in the Barack Obama campaign. I would like to discuss the campaign and Obama with my Irish friends.

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I am a Celtic music fan who is also a poet/songwriter doing grassroots political work in the Barack Obama campaign. I would like to discuss the campaign and Obama with my Irish friends.

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Dear Patrick; Thank you for all you work in the effort to right our country, I too also feel that Barack Obama is what we should be about.
Is it just me, or did anyone else notice the subtle, yet huge difference between Obama and McCain in this debate? It happened during the discussing as to whether or not to talk openly to our enemy’s, (with or without pre conditions), which Obama is in favor of, and McCain is not, (and would rather act covertly). This difference is a simple matter of honesty, and to me, says it all.
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I'm not for Obama or McCain. The debates didn't change my view about either one of them. Each are for big government. In fact the more the better according to Obama and if you don't want to give to the cause by golly they will take it anyway by taxing you to death. Seems like we can't get through to the elected officials that less government is better government. I'm tired of the entitlement programs that have been passed by both sides. Tired of paying for children that people choose to have when they know they can't afford them, I am tired of people holding their hands out for a handout and not wanting to give anything back, they just want to sit on their bums. We have allowed the government to create a group of people who believe that what is mine is mine and what is yours is mine too. Our forefathers are turning over in their graves, if they were alive they would be leading another revolutions.

Thank goodness the bailout didn't pass as written. Humm and it was Obama and McCain each taking credit for the bailout plan. Now what is their plan.

Okay I sound angry, I know. But after listening to all the talk after the bill was voted down, no wonder congress approval rate is 17 percent.

So until Obama or McCain can come up with ideas that make sense. What is there to talk about? Change what change with either one of them there will be no change. Did you know that Obama was in the top 3 receiptents that got money from Freddie Mac/May? What are all of those on Capital hill to gain from the bail out?

JC there is no honesty with any of those folks from the top down.
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Hi Gwen;
Can’t say that I don’t agree with you, but it’s all a matter of degree my dear… all a matter of degree, (mimicking W. C. Fields).
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Posted: 29-Sep-2008, 03:06 PM
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QUOTE (gwenlee @ 29-Sep-2008, 03:33 PM)
I'm not for Obama or McCain. The debates didn't change my view about either one of them. Each are for big government. In fact the more the better according to Obama and if you don't want to give to the cause by golly they will take it anyway by taxing you to death. Seems like we can't get through to the elected officials that less government is better government. I'm tired of the entitlement programs that have been passed by both sides. Tired of paying for children that people choose to have when they know they can't afford them, I am tired of people holding their hands out for a handout and not wanting to give anything back, they just want to sit on their bums. We have allowed the government to create a group of people who believe that what is mine is mine and what is yours is mine too. Our forefathers are turning over in their graves, if they were alive they would be leading another revolutions.

Thank goodness the bailout didn't pass as written. Humm and it was Obama and McCain each taking credit for the bailout plan. Now what is their plan.

Okay I sound angry, I know. But after listening to all the talk after the bill was voted down, no wonder congress approval rate is 17 percent.

So until Obama or McCain can come up with ideas that make sense. What is there to talk about? Change what change with either one of them there will be no change. Did you know that Obama was in the top 3 receiptents that got money from Freddie Mac/May? What are all of those on Capital hill to gain from the bail out?

JC there is no honesty with any of those folks from the top down.

I agree with you completely.

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Posted: 29-Sep-2008, 03:12 PM
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As many times as Ralph Nader has thrown his hat in the ring.....you'd think by now we'd scratch our heads and say...hmmmm maybe he's got a point! lol

I agree with what gwenlee said about our forefathers turning somersaults in their graves and planning another revolution. They'd probably want to give us all a good thrashing for starters.
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Posted: 29-Sep-2008, 03:18 PM
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QUOTE (Fionna Machumhail @ 29-Sep-2008, 04:12 PM)
As many times as Ralph Nader has thrown his hat in the ring.....you'd think by now we'd scratch our heads and say...hmmmm maybe he's got a point! lol

I agree with what gwenlee said about our forefathers turning somersaults in their graves and planning another revolution. They'd probably want to give us all a good thrashing for starters.

From the Liberrtarians.

A visitor from the past
by Thelan Paulk


I had a dream the other night, I didn't understand. A figure walking through the mist, with flintlock in his hand.

His clothes were torn and dirty, as he stood beside my bed.

He took off his three-cornered hat, and speaking low, he said:



"We fought a revolution, to secure our liberty.

We wrote the Constitution, as a shield from tyranny.

For future generations, this legacy we gave,

In this, the land of the free and the home of the brave.



"The freedom we secured for you, we hoped you'd always keep,

But tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep.

Your freedom gone - your courage lost - you're no more than a slave,

In this, the land of the free and the home of the brave.



"You buy permits to travel, and permits to own a gun.

Permits to start a business, or to build a place for one.

On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent.

Although you have no voice in choosing, how the money's spent.



"Your children must attend a school, that doesn't educate.

Your Christian values can't be taught, according to the state.

You read about the current news, in a very biased press.

You pay a tax you do not owe, to please the I.R.S.



"Your money is no longer made of Silver, or of Gold.

You trade your wealth for paper, so your life can be controlled.

You pay for crimes that make our Nation, turn from God in shame.

You've taken Satan's number, as you've traded in your name.



"You've given government control, to those who do you harm.

So they can padlock churches, and steal the family farm.

And keep our country deep in debt, put men of God in jail.

Harass your fellow countrymen, while corrupted courts prevail.



"Your public servants don't uphold, the solemn oath they've sworn.

Your daughters visit doctors, so their children won't be born.

Your leaders, ship artillery and guns to foreign shores.

And send your sons to slaughter, fighting other people's wars.



"Can you regain the freedom for which we fought and died?

Or don't you have the courage, or the faith to stand with pride?

Are there no more values, for which you'll fight to save?

Or do you wish your children, to live in fear and be a slave?



"Sons of the Republic, arise and take a stand!

Defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the Land!

Preserve our great Republic, and each God-given Right!

And pray to GOD to keep the torch, of Freedom burning bright!"



As I awoke he vanished, in the mist from whence he came.

His words were true, we are not free, we have ourselves to blame.

For even now as tyrants, trample each God-given Right.

We only watch and tremble, too afraid to stand and fight.



If he stood by your bedside, in a dream, while you're asleep.

And wondered what remains of our Rights he fought to keep.

What would be your answer, if he called out from the Grave:

IS THIS STILL THE LAND OF THE FREE, AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE???



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Beautiful poem...and very well said! thumbs_up.gif
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Posted: 29-Sep-2008, 03:22 PM
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ALL Americans should read the book, "The Creature From Jekyl Island". It is a "long read" but you will fully understand America's monetary system under the Federal Reserve!

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Posted: 29-Sep-2008, 03:30 PM
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Thanks I'll look for that one.

Yes but John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of any wrongdoing, though criticized for using poor judgement.

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Patch,
Thank-you for posting that poem it was great. thumbs_up.gif
I just emailed it to everyone in my address book.


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QUOTE (Patch @ 29-Sep-2008, 04:18 PM)
QUOTE (Fionna Machumhail @ 29-Sep-2008, 04:12 PM)
As many times as Ralph Nader has thrown his hat in the ring.....you'd think by now we'd scratch our heads and say...hmmmm maybe he's got a point!  lol

I agree with what gwenlee said about our forefathers turning somersaults in their graves and planning another revolution.  They'd probably want to give us all a good thrashing for starters.

From the Liberrtarians.

A visitor from the past
by Thelan Paulk


I had a dream the other night, I didn't understand. A figure walking through the mist, with flintlock in his hand.

His clothes were torn and dirty, as he stood beside my bed.

He took off his three-cornered hat, and speaking low, he said:



"We fought a revolution, to secure our liberty.

We wrote the Constitution, as a shield from tyranny.

For future generations, this legacy we gave,

In this, the land of the free and the home of the brave.



"The freedom we secured for you, we hoped you'd always keep,

But tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep.

Your freedom gone - your courage lost - you're no more than a slave,

In this, the land of the free and the home of the brave.



"You buy permits to travel, and permits to own a gun.

Permits to start a business, or to build a place for one.

On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent.

Although you have no voice in choosing, how the money's spent.



"Your children must attend a school, that doesn't educate.

Your Christian values can't be taught, according to the state.

You read about the current news, in a very biased press.

You pay a tax you do not owe, to please the I.R.S.



"Your money is no longer made of Silver, or of Gold.

You trade your wealth for paper, so your life can be controlled.

You pay for crimes that make our Nation, turn from God in shame.

You've taken Satan's number, as you've traded in your name.



"You've given government control, to those who do you harm.

So they can padlock churches, and steal the family farm.

And keep our country deep in debt, put men of God in jail.

Harass your fellow countrymen, while corrupted courts prevail.



"Your public servants don't uphold, the solemn oath they've sworn.

Your daughters visit doctors, so their children won't be born.

Your leaders, ship artillery and guns to foreign shores.

And send your sons to slaughter, fighting other people's wars.



"Can you regain the freedom for which we fought and died?

Or don't you have the courage, or the faith to stand with pride?

Are there no more values, for which you'll fight to save?

Or do you wish your children, to live in fear and be a slave?



"Sons of the Republic, arise and take a stand!

Defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the Land!

Preserve our great Republic, and each God-given Right!

And pray to GOD to keep the torch, of Freedom burning bright!"



As I awoke he vanished, in the mist from whence he came.

His words were true, we are not free, we have ourselves to blame.

For even now as tyrants, trample each God-given Right.

We only watch and tremble, too afraid to stand and fight.



If he stood by your bedside, in a dream, while you're asleep.

And wondered what remains of our Rights he fought to keep.

What would be your answer, if he called out from the Grave:

IS THIS STILL THE LAND OF THE FREE, AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE???

Patch, I have read this before but every time I read it it stirs up great emotion. I don't know how any one in Washington wakes up each day and looks at themselves in the mirror. Maybe they aren't looking at themselves because they are too busy looking at someone else and pointing fingers.
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QUOTE (gwenlee @ 29-Sep-2008, 04:42 PM)
QUOTE (Patch @ 29-Sep-2008, 04:18 PM)
QUOTE (Fionna Machumhail @ 29-Sep-2008, 04:12 PM)
As many times as Ralph Nader has thrown his hat in the ring.....you'd think by now we'd scratch our heads and say...hmmmm maybe he's got a point!  lol

I agree with what gwenlee said about our forefathers turning somersaults in their graves and planning another revolution.  They'd probably want to give us all a good thrashing for starters.

From the Liberrtarians.

A visitor from the past
by Thelan Paulk


I had a dream the other night, I didn't understand. A figure walking through the mist, with flintlock in his hand.

His clothes were torn and dirty, as he stood beside my bed.

He took off his three-cornered hat, and speaking low, he said:



"We fought a revolution, to secure our liberty.

We wrote the Constitution, as a shield from tyranny.

For future generations, this legacy we gave,

In this, the land of the free and the home of the brave.



"The freedom we secured for you, we hoped you'd always keep,

But tyrants labored endlessly while your parents were asleep.

Your freedom gone - your courage lost - you're no more than a slave,

In this, the land of the free and the home of the brave.



"You buy permits to travel, and permits to own a gun.

Permits to start a business, or to build a place for one.

On land that you believe you own, you pay a yearly rent.

Although you have no voice in choosing, how the money's spent.



"Your children must attend a school, that doesn't educate.

Your Christian values can't be taught, according to the state.

You read about the current news, in a very biased press.

You pay a tax you do not owe, to please the I.R.S.



"Your money is no longer made of Silver, or of Gold.

You trade your wealth for paper, so your life can be controlled.

You pay for crimes that make our Nation, turn from God in shame.

You've taken Satan's number, as you've traded in your name.



"You've given government control, to those who do you harm.

So they can padlock churches, and steal the family farm.

And keep our country deep in debt, put men of God in jail.

Harass your fellow countrymen, while corrupted courts prevail.



"Your public servants don't uphold, the solemn oath they've sworn.

Your daughters visit doctors, so their children won't be born.

Your leaders, ship artillery and guns to foreign shores.

And send your sons to slaughter, fighting other people's wars.



"Can you regain the freedom for which we fought and died?

Or don't you have the courage, or the faith to stand with pride?

Are there no more values, for which you'll fight to save?

Or do you wish your children, to live in fear and be a slave?



"Sons of the Republic, arise and take a stand!

Defend the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the Land!

Preserve our great Republic, and each God-given Right!

And pray to GOD to keep the torch, of Freedom burning bright!"



As I awoke he vanished, in the mist from whence he came.

His words were true, we are not free, we have ourselves to blame.

For even now as tyrants, trample each God-given Right.

We only watch and tremble, too afraid to stand and fight.



If he stood by your bedside, in a dream, while you're asleep.

And wondered what remains of our Rights he fought to keep.

What would be your answer, if he called out from the Grave:

IS THIS STILL THE LAND OF THE FREE, AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE???

Patch, I have read this before but every time I read it it stirs up great emotion. I don't know how any one in Washington wakes up each day and looks at themselves in the mirror. Maybe they aren't looking at themselves because they are too busy looking at someone else and pointing fingers.

You know I’m with this poem until the end of the second verse. Where it is says…the land of the free…oh…except for Native Americans, and African slaves. That’s where its credibility ends, as least as far as I concerned. And to answer the question of how politicians can look into the mirror, excuse me, but I don’t know how any of us can!
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Remember...there was a time when caucasians were also sold as slaves on the open market, and that's not including indentured servitude. Man...all men, should look in the mirror and ask themselves what they are doing to care for their fellow man. We can't keep making the same mistakes over and over again.

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QUOTE (Jillian @ 30-Sep-2008, 06:09 AM)
Remember...there was a time when caucasians were also sold as slaves on the open market, and that's not including indentured servitude. Man...all men, should look in the mirror and ask themselves what they are doing to care for their fellow man. We can't keep making the same mistakes over and over again.

Jillian

Exactly…slavery is slavery…no matter what. And we are all guilty.
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