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Posted: 13-Dec-2008, 10:07 AM
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QUOTE (McRoach @ 16-Oct-2008, 11:20 AM)
Can anyone tell me whether a trebuchet can take out enemy troops or are they just for enemy towers? In the third Lord of the Rings movie "The Return of the King" you see them used defensively to take out rows upon rows of infantry units in the battle for Minas Tirith. Do they serve any sort of similar purpose for defense or offense in this game?

Arbalests, trebuchet's and other medieval siege weapons were not just for use against building, but also for use against oncoming mounted or foot troops .

Think of the effect of a 10 lb ball hitting the ground and splintering in the middle of a group of tightly packed infantry, or bouncing thru their ranks, and the PHYSICAL impact, never mind the psychological effect that has.
Also....think of the terrified horses, and their reactions, and the disruptions of enemy formations etc this could cause.

In the "modern" times, with the SCA (www.sca.org, www.eastkingdom.org ) we use siege weapons all the time.

'Tis vastly entertaining to see grown adults, male and female, in FULL armor getting picked up off their feet and deposited several feet backwards on their duffs!

And that's with tuned DOWN weapons, and the safety bolts that we are required to use smile.gif

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QUOTE (seamusmaccorcrain @ 13-Dec-2008, 09:07 AM)
Arbalests, trebuchet's and other medieval siege weapons were not just for use against building, but also for use against oncoming mounted or foot troops .

Think of the effect of a 10 lb ball hitting the ground and splintering in the middle of a group of tightly packed infantry, or bouncing thru their ranks, and the PHYSICAL impact, never mind the psychological effect that has.
Also....think of the terrified horses, and their reactions, and the disruptions of enemy formations etc this could cause.

In the "modern" times, with the SCA (www.sca.org, www.eastkingdom.org ) we use siege weapons all the time.

'Tis vastly entertaining to see grown adults, male and female, in FULL armor getting picked up off their feet and deposited several feet backwards on their duffs!

And that's with tuned DOWN weapons, and the safety bolts that we are required to use smile.gif

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Lord Seamus, I totally agree that having to face any armed force with a couple trebuchets, or arbalests is a deadly decision and can only imagine the chaos that ensued during battle.

What I was asking is if they had any benefit in the MK game similar to what you have described above or if they are only good to send off to other kingdoms for bringing down their towers. It would stand to good reason that in battle, defensive or offensive, that you would want to have some of these medieval tanks on hand.

I wish there was more interest in SCA battles closer to where I live in the West. I would definitely like to watch someone get tossed by one of these, sounds pretty dangerous though, safety bolts or not. wink.gif


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Posted: 13-Dec-2008, 02:47 PM
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Pssst...Pssst McRoach... a tip...if you want to know what does what in defensive or offensive in battle...study the battle reports and you'll know soon enough...shhhhh! unsure.gif

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Posted: 13-Dec-2008, 06:42 PM
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LOA,
Good tip, unfortunately all my trebuchet's were out destroying enemy towers while I was being attacked. Guess I'll have to leave a few behind next time. rolleyes.gif
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Oh! Dear...McRoach...since I was a participant in bringing you down and like Lord Shenaniganz you are a good sport...here is my battle report on it...maybe you would like to study to help you build your army strong defensively and offensively...

I encourage you to start you own clan my lord with the new participants in the game that seem to be in search of being part of a clan...

Our Trebuchet destroyed 57 enemy Guard Tower.
We lost 328 Swordsmen to the enemy Guard Tower.
Our Longbowmen killed 72 enemy Swordsmen.
We lost 28 Swordsmen to the enemy Longbowmen.
Our Archers killed 63 enemy Infantry.
We lost 132 Infantry to the enemy Archers.
Our Pikemen killed 118 enemy Knights.
We lost 463 Cavalry to the enemy Pikemen.
Our Spearmen killed 162 enemy Cavalry.
We lost 387 Cavalry to the enemy Spearmen.
Our Cavalry killed 60 enemy Archers.
We lost 234 Archers to the enemy Cavalry.
We lost 88 Swordsmen to the enemy Knights.
Our Swordsmen killed 104 enemy Pikemen.
We lost 259 Pikemen to the enemy Swordsmen.
Our Infantry killed 825 enemy Militia.
We lost 204 Militia to the enemy Infantry.
Our Militia killed 148 enemy Archers.
We lost 412 Slavers to the enemy Militia.
Our Battering ram annihilated the defending Gold mine.
Our Battering ram destroyed 35 enemy Farm.
Our army has left the enemy kingdom. We have captured 97 workers, 58 Gold miners, 89 Farmers, and 58 Lumberjacks.Our troops have raided 1,003 Gold from the defenders kingdom.

Hope this will help you a bit.

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QUOTE (Lady-of-Avalon @ 14-Dec-2008, 08:34 AM)
***Our Trebuchet destroyed 57 enemy Guard Tower. ***

We lost 328 Swordsmen to the enemy Guard Tower.
Our Longbowmen killed 72 enemy Swordsmen.
We lost 28 Swordsmen to the enemy Longbowmen.
Our Archers killed 63 enemy Infantry.
We lost 132 Infantry to the enemy Archers.
Our Pikemen killed 118 enemy Knights.
We lost 463 Cavalry to the enemy Pikemen.
Our Spearmen killed 162 enemy Cavalry.
We lost 387 Cavalry to the enemy Spearmen.
Our Cavalry killed 60 enemy Archers.
We lost 234 Archers to the enemy Cavalry.
We lost 88 Swordsmen to the enemy Knights.
Our Swordsmen killed 104 enemy Pikemen.
We lost 259 Pikemen to the enemy Swordsmen.
Our Infantry killed 825 enemy Militia.
We lost 204 Militia to the enemy Infantry.
Our Militia killed 148 enemy Archers.
We lost 412 Slavers to the enemy Militia.
Our Battering ram annihilated the defending Gold mine.
Our Battering ram destroyed 35 enemy Farm.
Our army has left the enemy kingdom. We have captured 97 workers, 58 Gold miners, 89 Farmers, and 58 Lumberjacks.Our troops have raided 1,003 Gold from the defenders kingdom.

Hope this will help you a bit.

Thanks it certainly confirms that they are useful for taking down towers. But as I stated before I will have to have some on hand while being attacked or see the reports of someone with them in the defending army that I am attacking.

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Posted: 15-Dec-2008, 12:02 PM
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QUOTE (McRoach @ 14-Dec-2008, 12:34 PM)
QUOTE (Lady-of-Avalon @ 14-Dec-2008, 08:34 AM)
***Our Trebuchet destroyed 57 enemy Guard Tower. ***

We lost 328 Swordsmen to the enemy Guard Tower.
Our Longbowmen killed 72 enemy Swordsmen.
We lost 28 Swordsmen to the enemy Longbowmen.
Our Archers killed 63 enemy Infantry.
We lost 132 Infantry to the enemy Archers.
Our Pikemen killed 118 enemy Knights.
We lost 463 Cavalry to the enemy Pikemen.
Our Spearmen killed 162 enemy Cavalry.
We lost 387 Cavalry to the enemy Spearmen.
Our Cavalry killed 60 enemy Archers.
We lost 234 Archers to the enemy Cavalry.
We lost 88 Swordsmen to the enemy Knights.
Our Swordsmen killed 104 enemy Pikemen.
We lost 259 Pikemen to the enemy Swordsmen.
Our Infantry killed 825 enemy Militia.
We lost 204 Militia to the enemy Infantry.
Our Militia killed 148 enemy Archers.
We lost 412 Slavers to the enemy Militia.
Our Battering ram annihilated the defending Gold mine.
Our Battering ram destroyed 35 enemy Farm.
Our army has left the enemy kingdom. We have captured 97 workers, 58 Gold miners, 89 Farmers, and 58 Lumberjacks.Our troops have raided 1,003 Gold from the defenders kingdom.

Hope this will help you a bit.

Thanks it certainly confirms that they are useful for taking down towers. But as I stated before I will have to have some on hand while being attacked or see the reports of someone with them in the defending army that I am attacking.

Thank you for your encouragement in starting up a clan. thumbsup.gif

Yow......definitely effective against structures in game.....but, I agree....let's see how they do against ARMIES and in defense as well!

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Posted: 30-Dec-2008, 10:01 AM
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Grin well I'm finally at a stage I can build just about everything .....here's hoping that I'll be able to train enuf of an army to at least defend myself for now!

Slainte!

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Posted: 30-Dec-2008, 10:16 AM
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QUOTE (seamusmaccorcrain @ 30-Dec-2008, 09:01 AM)
Grin well I'm finally at a stage I can build just about everything .....here's hoping that I'll be able to train enuf of an army to at least defend myself for now!

Slainte!

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My latest recon suggests that you are. wink.gif thumbs_up.gif
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I read a post in here somewere that the "knights" are not worth building, that calvary are just as good and cost less. Is this true? Is it worth it to build Knights or shoud i just stick with Calvary? I would go back to read that post again but couldent find it....

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Posted: 30-Dec-2008, 04:41 PM
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General consensus seems to be that knights are less useful than Militia.
I agree with this as well, they seem to get slaughtered by the hundreds while never inflicting any losses on the enemy.



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Posted: 30-Dec-2008, 04:44 PM
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Here's the "knights are useless" thread: http://www.celticradio.net/php/forums/inde...showtopic=12627
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Posted: 30-Dec-2008, 11:09 PM
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Thx for the help Subhuman.

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Posted: 07-Jan-2009, 11:00 AM
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Well......since knights are basically useless, I'll not be training any of them and will spend the resources in other , more productive ways.

Thanks for the link Subhuman, it was worth the reading.

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Posted: 22-Feb-2009, 12:25 AM
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Now that we know Knights in the game are basically useless, what would be the best unit to build, defensively OR offensively , other than the siege weapons?

Granted that certain units are effective against other units, but has anyone done a breakdown on what's best against what ?

Might be good information to use to formulate attack plans, after properly obtaining intelligence reports on one's targets smile.gif


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