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subhuman 
Posted: 31-Aug-2008, 08:48 PM
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Let all be warned that there are several dishonorable Lords in our realm.
Both Rindy of UnitedKingdom and TamiMcLeod of Wolfshollow have sent their armies marching upon my borders with neither provocation nor warning.

Anyone dealing with these two parties should be warned that they are both dishonorable and probably cannot be trusted.

To the two ladies (in this case, I use the term very loosely) attacking me: good luck.
I'm sure your large numbers of militia will provide suitable training targets for my swordsmen. Your spearmen will do much the same, since they are only strong against cavalry- of which I have none.
I'm not sure what your siege engines expect to attack since I have no defensive buildings, and they are useless against anything else.

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Posted: 31-Aug-2008, 09:17 PM
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Well us ladies will not take threats my mail anymore... you want to talk the big then now walk the big.. more coming.. hang on to your hats men!!!!!
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Posted: 31-Aug-2008, 09:57 PM
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Please, share even *one* threating mail that came from either myself or someone in my clan.
You'll be unable to. Quite simply put, such things do not exist.


Last I checked, threatening mails were specifically against CRN's terms of use. Since you have accused me of behaving in a manner that can result in termination of my account, I request that you either provide proof of this accusation or issue a formal apology.
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Posted: 31-Aug-2008, 10:06 PM
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I deleted all mine but Macebreaker can verify them for he has saw them and i have read them to him, i will get the others and see they they have any..

I also got a pooh load of them from MacIn as well...


Threatening as in my army as in the game.. not personal, i didnt say you were personal,

but i did post some of them in the clan forum for all to read... and the forum has been deleting them for some reason as well.. ask my clan they wont lie and they will tell you the facts..
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Posted: 31-Aug-2008, 10:21 PM
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I think i did a pretty good job as well as Rindy did as well




31/08/2008 11:00:41pm
We have attacked the kingdom at 1:3:4. The enemy have garrisoned themselves within a village. The enemy forces were led by "Slappy".

* Our Longbowmen killed 2 enemy Swordsmen.
* Our Archers killed 1 enemy Infantry.
* We lost 4 Infantry to the enemy Archers.
* Our Swordsmen killed 2 enemy Pikemen.
* The enemy Swordsmen annihilated our Pikemen.
* We lost 13 Spearmen to the enemy Swordsmen.
* Our Infantry killed 17 enemy Militia.
* We lost 18 Militia to the enemy Infantry.
* Our Militia killed 5 enemy Archers.
* We lost 1 Slavers to the enemy Militia.
* Our Battering ram destroyed 1 enemy Gold mine.

Our general General I Own You has gained experience (5% attack). Our army has left the enemy kingdom. We have captured 1 workers, 1 Gold miners, 1 Farmers, and 1 Lumberjacks.Our troops have raided 6 Gold from the defenders kingdom.


please remember this is a game the purpose is to attack kingdoms
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Posted: 31-Aug-2008, 10:23 PM
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I also got a pooh load of them from MacIn as well...

A Clan of which I am not a member.

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but i did post some of them in the clan forum for all to read... and the forum has been deleting them for some reason as well

Well, now it's apparently a big conspiracy. The server has been mysteriously deleting these threating e-mails which you say I sent, and which I say I never sent.

Once again, please provide proof that I have threatened you or made any moves against you.
Any honorable noble would attempt diplomacy before sending in an army. Hence why I state that you are dishonorable.


Congratulations. You lost forces with a replacement cost of 9700 gold, 10500 wood and 17900 food in your ill-advised attack on my Kingdom. On the other hand, it will cost me merely 6000 gold, 9000 food and 6500 wood to replace my lost troops. The four workers you captured had a value of approximately 500 gold.
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Posted: 31-Aug-2008, 10:41 PM
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If you look back a few days ago, i also posted about the forum posts hitting page 6 and deleting

they were all posted in the clan forum, they are no longer there, ask anyone in my clan the they get deleted alot

Tell me do you have anything to do with this game?

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Posted: 31-Aug-2008, 10:44 PM
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I had no idea this game could be so dramatic. While you two hash it out, let it be known that my concern with even playing this game comes from the first post... I'm not liking the fact that you can be attacked without provocation. But whatever- I will keep playing it or stop as I see situations like this continue to unfold.


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QUOTE (subhuman @ 31-Aug-2008, 07:48 PM)
Let all be warned that there are several dishonorable Lords in our realm.
Both Rindy of UnitedKingdom and TamiMcLeod of Wolfshollow have sent their armies marching upon my borders with neither provocation nor warning.

Anyone dealing with these two parties should be warned that they are both dishonorable and probably cannot be trusted.

To the two ladies (in this case, I use the term very loosely) attacking me: good luck.
I'm sure your large numbers of militia will provide suitable training targets for my swordsmen. Your spearmen will do much the same, since they are only strong against cavalry- of which I have none.
I'm not sure what your siege engines expect to attack since I have no defensive buildings, and they are useless against anything else.

Subhuman of Clan UDB

I am going to say this Tami meant to say MacEoghainn who he attacked me without any warning and I didn't violate the TOS laws by calling him a loose or dishonorable man. As you have referred to Tami and myself subhuman in this post. This was all suppose to be in fun but you know what it isn't fun any more when you start hurting people.

Please folks can we just keep it in fun and not insult each other. As I stated before this is a game of attacking kingdoms and clans are to fight for each other and that is what we are doing in a game.

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Posted: 31-Aug-2008, 11:00 PM
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QUOTE (jesstuss @ 31-Aug-2008, 09:44 PM)
I had no idea this game could be so dramatic.  While you two hash it out, let it be known that my concern with even playing this game comes from the first post... I'm not liking the fact that you can be attacked without provocation.  But whatever- I will keep playing it or stop as I see situations like this continue to unfold.

Hi jesstuss, It isn't suppose to come out in the "real life" it's just a game and I am shocked at how some folks are reacting. I am not taking anyones side as stated before.
I'm not sure what the answer is at the moment but we will work it out, and the actual game part is a blast, so I hope this type of posting doesn't detour anyone from playing I know a lot of you are my friends and I would never carry hard feelings beyond the game. Thats just not called for. This game took a lot of work on Celtic Radios time and I hope all of you can follow the rules and make this a success and fun place to be. I've said all I am going to say on the subject.

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Posted: 31-Aug-2008, 11:04 PM
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I was attacked by tallerlacuba of Mipais (1:5:2) from the MacIn clan a few days ago and the only warning i received was in my recent news box, but yet I didn't post on here to whine about not receiving prior notice. It's all part of a game. War sometimes isn't gentlemanly or lady-like, and this game is to be all in fun so why can't everyone just have fun here


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Posted: 31-Aug-2008, 11:32 PM
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Tell me do you have anything to do with this game?

I play it, the same as you.
Seriously, this is getting ridiculous now. Even insinuating that the deletion of the posts in your clan forum is part of a big conspiracy between Mac and myself is going too far.

It's one thing to lie and say that I sent mails (which I didn't), and quite another to throw mud on our host's good name.

You posted the bug report, Mac replied that it should be fixed. It happens. Welcome to Alpha/Beta software.
Everyone-
This game is still in development. No claims were ever made that it would be bug-free. On top of that, it's free. Even if you're paying for a membership at CRN, nowhere in the membership perks are any claims made that the Medieval Kingdom will act differently or better for members.
It's been said that this game is on a 5-year development period. During that entire time, everyone should expect problems, and understand that data will sometimes be lost, and recovery of that data is not always feasible.
This should be understood by anyone who uses any sort of software that is still in development.

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I had no idea this game could be so dramatic. While you two hash it out, let it be known that my concern with even playing this game comes from the first post... I'm not liking the fact that you can be attacked without provocation.

Well, of course you can be attacked without provocation or warning, however as I said above, no honorable person would do such a thing.

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I am going to say this Tami meant to say MacEoghainn who he attacked me without any warning and I didn't violate the TOS laws by calling him a loose or dishonorable man. As you have referred to Tami and myself subhuman in this post. This was all suppose to be in fun but you know what it isn't fun any more when you start hurting people.

We're playing as nobles in a medieval kingdom. Someone attacking a peaceful neighbor without warning or provocation would, indeed, be considered to be dishonorable.
Why is the comment about hurting people directed to me when, as you pointed out, it was MacEoghainn who threated and attacked you in the past- not me. I also have to point out that I am no way affiliated with him, nor have I ever been at any time. The one and only correspondence I had with him was a mail I sent inquiring why he had disbanded his clan. That mail has yet to be responded to.
I am not him.
I am not affiliated with him, nor have I ever been.
I am not working with him, nor have I ever been.
I am not even in communication with him- a message sent [/i]with no reply[/i] is not communication.

Please point out where I referred to either of you as loose? I said dishonorable.
If accusations are being made, they should be made accurately.
The only time I used the word loose was stating that I use the term "ladies" loosely when referring to you. Someone who has shown themselves to be acting dishonorably does not, in my opinion (nor in the opinion of the time in which this game is based), deserve to be called a lady. The word "loose" was never directed at a person.


So my understanding of it is as follow, by your definitions:
It's still "fun" when two of you attack me unprovoked and without warning, but when I try to warn others to beware of this sort of behavior from you, it's not "fun" anymore?

(Jesstuss' post seems to reinforce my opinion. Here we see a non-involved party also express dislike of people being attacked without provocation.)

It's "fun" when people make numerous unfounded claims about me?


If either of you can prove that I sent threating mails to you, or that I took any overt or covert actions against you or your clan prior to your attacks on me, I will publicly apologize for calling your gameplay dishonorable.

At this point, now BOTH of you have made claims about me violating the TOS.
I expect proof, or apologies.

Libel: (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/libel)
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a. A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person's reputation.
b. The act of presenting such material to the public.

The operative word here is "false."
As you've admitted that previous aggression came from someone other than myself, what I have stated is not false. What I have written is not libel.
However, I think it can be shown that what was said about me- is.
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QUOTE (subhuman @ 31-Aug-2008, 09:48 PM)
Both Rindy of UnitedKingdom and TamiMcLeod of Wolfshollow have sent their armies marching upon my borders with neither provocation nor warning.


Maybe they should of sent out a invite. i am not being cocky or anything but I've always heard "All is far in love and war" Like every one is say this is just a game no one tell the other preson or counrty we're comin' to get ya. Lets just have fun with this OK thumbs_up.gif


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Posted: 31-Aug-2008, 11:53 PM
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Ok here is the thread I am referring to: I know you through this forum and your a pretty nice guy what I can tell. I have no hard feelings just that we shouldn't call each other names. Lets just really try all of us. may be have some ideas about what we could play for instead of gold and war. Let all of your ideas heard. I will be thinking about it myself. but in the mean time lets have some fun...ok..please..
Your post...

To the two ladies (in this case, I use the term very loosely) attacking me: good luck.
I'm sure your large numbers of militia will provide suitable training targets for my swordsmen. Your spearmen will do much the same, since they are only strong against cavalry- of which I have none.
I'm not sure what your siege engines expect to attack since I have no defensive buildings, and they are useless against anything else

It's late I'm tired and hopefully this fun place will be here tomrrow.

Slainte to all of the players...
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It's late I'm tired and hopefully this fun place will be here tomrrow.

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Ok, I think we can agree that this has been blown out of proportion. smile.gif

Please re-read my first post, keeping a few things in mind as you do:
1) I was confused with someone else. To date, I made made no aggressive moves against anyone.
2) I purposely used your full names as they appear in-game, not as they appear in the rest of the CRN forums. Maybe this wasn't very clear, but my first post was just warning people that in-game behavior may not be fully honorable. That post was my first (and seeing how it backfired, probably last) attempt to post "in character."
Maybe I'm wrong here, but I thought it woul dbe a perfectly reasonable response from a person of the time period in which the game is set.

I do not and did not mean to give anyone the impression that I think Rindy, the person who posts at CRN, is acting dishonorably anywhere except in the game.
I'll withhold judgement on TamiMcLeod. Rindy has explained that there was confusion between myself and someone. Tami has not replied yet. If claims continue that I sent her threating mails, I will go further and state I believe her to be a liar.

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Maybe they should of sent out a invite. i am not being cocky or anything but I've always heard "All is far in love and war" Like every one is say this is just a game no one tell the other preson or counrty we're comin' to get ya. Lets just have fun with this OK

Attacking without warning doesn't break any game rules, so in that sense- there were no rules broken.
However.. coordinated attacks on a non-aggressive neighbor still are not honorable.
War is generally preceded by diplomacy. "Do this, or we attack." That sort of thing. smile.gif




honor: ( http://www.thefreedictionary.com/honor )
"b. A code of integrity, dignity, and pride, chiefly among men, that was maintained in some societies, as in feudal Europe, by force of arms."
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