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Regardless, I feel that THEY shouldn't be poking around such a sacred place. I don't know too, too much about it (more research later), however the site should be treated with utmost respect nono.gif


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Why in the name of time would they call it the Wiccan tunnel? Wicca didn't exist 100 years ago, let alone when SH was built.


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Why the censorship? Why does his limiited posting of the same thing cause such a vitriolic response? Surely his nonsense is no worse or better than some of the nonsense already posted? His links lead to valid newsworthy info and the ones that lead to his own site are easily spotted and can be avoided, if that is your desire. I have clicked all his links and find nothing to harm anyone or anything, just that his are nonsense and I thought they were creative and funny. Is the animosity due to the style of post, satirical or perhaps the guise of serious news or is it his lack of communication at a personal level? I think we are applying more importance to him than his postings command, or am I unaware of something more sinister going on??? unsure.gif


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QUOTE (UlsterScotNutt @ 07-Apr-2008, 11:22 AM)
Why the censorship? Why does his limiited posting of the same thing cause such a vitriolic response? Surely his nonsense is no worse or better than some of the nonsense already posted? His links lead to valid newsworthy info and the ones that lead to his own site are easily spotted and can be avoided, if that is your desire. I have clicked all his links and find nothing to harm anyone or anything, just that his are nonsense and I thought they were creative and funny. Is the animosity due to the style of post, satirical or perhaps the guise of serious news or is it his lack of communication at a personal level? I think we are applying more importance to him than his postings command, or am I unaware of something more sinister going on??? unsure.gif

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It's more the fact that I have viewed these kinds of postings by Gary for many years on many other forums and it gets very old. It's annoying and it's not amusing. After the first one or two times of reading his postings on the internet, you realize that he is not stable and has no viable information to back up the garbage that he spews.


He either needs to be ignored or canned, is the best way to handle him.
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I have to agree with A Shrule Egan. Like I said earlier, I know that he has been banned from at least one site. I think here also, it's the fact that you have a Celtic site, which is center-most in many of the posters lives, and he always seems to banter on about the same nonsense over and over. It's almost as if it gets to the point that he is making a mockery of the topic that he is posting about. Although I see your point, UlsterScotNutt, we have a lot of freedom when it comes to these forums...you can simply not click on anything he posts. It's actually easier than just walking away. But after so many instances of it....... rip.gif


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He's why we have rules against trolls. If he registered with the site, he has had to read the agreement, and is compelled to read the forum rules. He knows the consequences of trolling, and takes the risk all the same. So out with the trash, in my opinion.

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All though I am against censorship I am in agreement with the postings on this individual. There are rules for the governance of the Forum and if these rules are broken or circumvented appropriate action should and must be taken. Being relatively new to this site I did not realize that the individual concerned was and is notorious for this type of message.I would not presume to comment on his stability or lack of but suffice it to say I think he lives in his own Fantasy World.



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This discussion as usual leads me to yet again another question.

Are not archaeologists, (or what ever they are called), nothing more then highly touted grave robbers, (who happened to keep good records), and who end up charging us to go see the relics theyíve dug up, in museums?

As apposed to grave robbers. Who sells the relics they find, (most likely to antiquity a dealers), who intern sells the relics to wealthy privet collector. Who then, most often donate their collections to the very same museums?

My guess is that itís probably nothing more then a footing, buried under the Heelstone. Anyway, I think some mysteries are better off left alone. I mean, who doesnít love a good mystery?


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I have to disagree there. The goals of a grave robber are very different than those of an Anthropologist or Archaeologist. One is driven by greed, the other by the desire to understand our origins and share those discoveries with the world.
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I think everyone is being to hard on him, I to believe he is spewing crap myself, but, he seems to have some serious mental "issues" going on.
I use to work for a visiting nurses agency and I had a patient who sounds an awful lot like our guy here, and he needed to be on med's. for that.


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My original post was as a 'heads-up' on the rantings of Mr. Denke. It was aimed at the newer members who have not yet crossed the bridge that the troll lives under. Once people know of the rants, he tends to disappear for a while (we know you're lurking Garry). I don't agree with censorship, especially in an area of the forum where you are warned before entering..."Unmoderated forum. Enter at own risk!", unless used to quell major abuse or attacks. Garry will come and go. Ban him under one name, he'll show up under another.


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QUOTE (oldraven @ 09-Apr-2008, 10:26 AM)
I have to disagree there. The goals of a grave robber are very different than those of an Anthropologist or Archaeologist. One is driven by greed, the other by the desire to understand our origins and share those discoveries with the world.

Have to agree with OR's disagreement
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QUOTE (oldraven @ 09-Apr-2008, 09:26 AM)
I have to disagree there. The goals of a grave robber are very different than those of an Anthropologist or Archaeologist. One is driven by greed, the other by the desire to understand our origins and share those discoveries with the world.

Sorry guys but I still think that a comparison between a grave robber and an archaeologistís can be made, because you canít tell me that some archaeologistís, (even though they keep really good records of their finds, so they can share them with the world), arenít also looking for fame and fortune. I just canít totally buy it, because archaeology is a cut throat business, just like grave robbing is.
Let me ask you this: Are they not desecrating graves, and turning tombs into tourist spots, and just how much did it cost you the last time you took your kids to a museum? Iíd venture to say a lot. Ok, so maybe Iím getting a wee bit jaded in my old age, and they are different, but not by a lot, (at least in my opinion).
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QUOTE (oldraven @ 09-Apr-2008, 06:45 AM)
He's why we have rules against trolls. If he registered with the site, he has had to read the agreement, and is compelled to read the forum rules. He knows the consequences of trolling, and takes the risk all the same. So out with the trash, in my opinion.

http://www.celticradio.net/php/forums/inde...?showtopic=2623

7. Don't make claims or statements unless you are willing to back-up what you say. Again, respond to the content, not the person and don't make false or inaccurate statements!

Well I don't think he is breaking any of rule 7.

His postings are obvious fake and are more satire(maybe thats not the word I am looking for) than anything else. He links to real news. His claims and statements fall more under mockumentary status than anything else.

If anything , people seem to respond to him personally and not his content.

I think the false and inaccurate statement part maybe the rule he is breaking, but the statements are so far from the believable and reality that it enters a different arena and I do not think the content of any of the postings are malicious or have caused to be spread, rumor, innuendo, deceit or any other negative intent.

I believe that the negative aspects of posting, like inciting to riot, namecalling, agitation, trolling or looking for trouble, would be the "troll" part.


But thats why there are monitors and watchdogs to care for the civility and integrity of forums and I will now stop any and all further comments on these postings, but I will be reading others' thoughts with interest.
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QUOTE (John Clements @ 09-Apr-2008, 03:02 PM)
Sorry guys but I still think that a comparison between a grave robber and an archaeologistís can be made, because you canít tell me that some archaeologistís, (even though they keep really good records of their finds, so they can share them with the world), arenít also looking for fame and fortune. I just canít totally buy it, because archaeology is a cut throat business, just like grave robbing is.
Let me ask you this: Are they not desecrating graves, and turning tombs into tourist spots, and just how much did it cost you the last time you took your kids to a museum? Iíd venture to say a lot. Ok, so maybe Iím getting a wee bit jaded in my old age, and they are different, but not by a lot, (at least in my opinion).

Sorry, JC, can't back you on this one. ***
The search for and understanding of our past and the simple act of stealing come from 2 radically different places and mindsets. The overwhelming majority of academia in archaelogy and anthropology are mindful, respectful and understanding on were they tread.

I will grant that I do sometimes think that grave exploration and the removal of the body from its original site disturbs me at some level.

I am thankful for the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act.

Many museums around the world have started to return certain items to their countries of origins. Times and mentalities have changed on how we do things now. There is so much more that is thought through than just taking things for the sake of taking and displaying items publicly. Perhaps , and probable in many cases in the past archaelogy was more of a crash and grab science , but not so today.

I have pictures of my grandfather in the Atacama desert of Chile with bones all about him as he dug for items to send back to the States, Chicago Field Museum and the New Hampshire Museum of Natural History. This was in the late teens and 20's of the 1900's. Today he may very well be looked at as nothing better than a graverobber.

*** PS , no need to take one for me either buddy!!! laugh.gif
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