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Posted: 12-Feb-2008, 09:01 PM
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To those members who are really into Scotlands' History I would like to mention that whilst in Scotland last October I watched one of the series "The Clans" the night I watched it it was about the Clan Campbell and one of the asides they brought up was that they seem to have proof that Robert the Bruce was a Leper.
This fact was of course kept secret from the people at the time as no one would have followed him and History would have taken a far different course. In the movie Braveheart (piece of garbage) it was his father that was portrayed as having Leprosy.

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Posted: 05-Mar-2008, 03:15 PM
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Camac, Garbage.... ah, but what drama, what soul stirring cinematography, heartwretching emotions, glorious heights for man. Heck, it is what it is, a movie for entertainment yanked from the history of man. You yank anything and you don't get the whole thing nor is it always identifiable.
Did you know to this day people still find the mansion on the Beverly Hillbillies tv show and stop and ask for Jed. LOL
On the Clan Campbell, Clan MacNaughton has a long history intertwined with them.
History is always better than the movie.


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Camac, no one has proof one way or the other as to the question of Bruce and leprosy. There have been claims and counter claims for nearly seven hundred years now. In my opinion, he did not. It is true that virtually no one would follow a leper. It is also true that it would have been impossible for Bruce to hide the fact that he had it. He lived for many years in the field, with his men in very primative conditions. In those circumstances, no one would be able to keep a physical defect secret.

As to the origin of the rumor, there has been some speculation that it was started by the English to try and discredit Bruce. No one will ever know the true origin of the rumor, but the consensus of historians has come to the view that it was false.


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Posted: 06-Mar-2008, 01:26 PM
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Yeah! History is always a thousand times better than a movie. If they had followed the life of Wallace closer they would have made a real blockbuster. The MacNaughten, Campbell, MacArthur, and MacGregor are all "guid Argyllshire men".


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Posted: 06-Mar-2008, 03:20 PM
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Camac,
You are so right! I have gotten so far behind in my reading because of an addiction to movies on tv. I will watch one more movie tonite "Waking Ned Devine" and then I will give up tv for my books again.

Next to read is: The Scotch Irish A Social History by James G. Leyburn

Then: The People With No Name - Ireland's Ulster Scots, America's Scots Irish, and The Creation Of A British Atlantic World 1689-1764 by Patrick Griffin

Up until now I have been pot shoting my reading from early Scottish history, clan history, Isle history, etc.

I think what I am going to do is read backwards into time.

I just finished Taverns and Turnpikes of Blandford, Massachusetts 1733-1833 and UlsterScots and Blandford Scouts, both by Sumner Gilbert Wood.
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If you have not already read it and do not mind the suggestion read "How the Scots Invented the Modern World" by Arthur Herman . It might surprise you.


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Posted: 06-Mar-2008, 03:33 PM
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Camac,
Just added to the list. Thanks alot for the recommendation. When read, I will let you know my penny and halfs worth.
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Posted: 26-Apr-2008, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE (Camac @ 12-Feb-2008, 09:01 PM)
12/02/08

To those members who are really into Scotlands' History I would like to mention that whilst in Scotland last October I watched one of the series "The Clans" the night I watched it it was about the Clan Campbell and one of the asides they brought up was that they seem to have proof that Robert the Bruce was a Leper.
This fact was of course kept secret from the people at the time as no one would have followed him and History would have taken a far different course. In the movie Braveheart (piece of garbage) it was his father that was portrayed as having Leprosy.

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I don't think we'll ever really know what exactly it was, not without "forensic" testing anyway! rolleyes.gif History states he had an "unclean" disease, which could mean leprosy, syphillis, psoriasis, some sort of neuropathic malady even. Who's to know? smile.gif

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Fionna Machumhail;

What ever the malady he was and still is Scotlands' Greatest Warrior King. Royal11.gif


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Posted: 28-Apr-2008, 07:01 AM
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QUOTE (Camac @ 26-Apr-2008, 09:09 PM)
Fionna Machumhail;

What ever the malady he was and still is Scotlands' Greatest Warrior King. Royal11.gif


Camac.

Got that right.

......and that, my friends.......is the rest of the story. king.gif

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Posted: 28-Apr-2008, 08:15 AM
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Posted: 28-Apr-2008, 10:13 AM
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The following is a list of some books about the Bruce if you or for that matter anyone else is interested.

" The Rebel King by Charles Randolf Bruce & Carolyn Hale Bruce. Bks. 1, 2, and 3. (Historical Fiction)

The Bruce by John Barbour.( written in prose and Scottish English)

The Bruce Trilogy by Nigel Tranter.

Also my friend go to google and call up "The Signal of the Bruce" .

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Posted: 28-Apr-2008, 11:59 AM
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Camac, Thank you, I will add these to my list of readings, it grows daily!!!!

Excellent read:
http://www.braveheart.co.uk/macbrave/histo...ce/excerpt1.htm
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Posted: 29-Apr-2008, 11:08 AM
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QUOTE (UlsterScotNutt @ 28-Apr-2008, 11:59 AM)
Camac, Thank you, I will add these to my list of readings, it grows daily!!!!

Excellent read:
http://www.braveheart.co.uk/macbrave/histo...ce/excerpt1.htm

Usn;
Hey Buddie; The Signal of the Bruce is one of if not my favourite poem. I use the last verse in my signature.

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Posted: 29-Apr-2008, 11:59 AM
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QUOTE (Camac @ 29-Apr-2008, 11:08 AM)
QUOTE (UlsterScotNutt @ 28-Apr-2008, 11:59 AM)
Camac, Thank you, I will add these to my list of readings, it grows daily!!!!

Excellent read:
http://www.braveheart.co.uk/macbrave/histo...ce/excerpt1.htm

Usn;
Hey Buddie; The Signal of the Bruce is one of if not my favourite poem. I use the last verse in my signature.

Camc

Camac, I can see why it would be a favorite. A great choice.
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