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MacEoghainn 
Posted: 05-Feb-2006, 01:34 PM
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I posted this over in Arms and Badges under the Ewing Family name Family Names and Heraldry. Thought I'd post it here also.

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There is major disagreement between various genealogists as to the origination of the Stirling/Dunbartonshire Ewings. Clan MacEwen, which is/was a Highland Gaelic Clan in Argylshire (and also Clan MacLachlan) claim the Stirling/Dunbartonshire Ewings to be part of the original MacEwen Clan that was dispursed after the Clan was broken in the 1400s (see the Clan MacLachlan website  for more info, also see the Clan Ewing website for evidence of the Cymric posistion {Celtic Breton}). Current DNA testing seems to indicate that the Ewings are from Gaelic Highland stock: From Ewing FamilyTreeDNA Project : "One very interesting result is that the modal haplotype for the related Ewing men appears to be an unusual variant of a Gaelic subtype. Many of us had thought that Ewing originated in Celtic Breton tribes in the Scottish lowlands, but this result suggests that they may have been among the Gaelic Scotti, sometimes also called the Dal Riada Celts. "

It is said that people bearing the name Young who claim Scottish ancestry are also part of the larger Ewing family.

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Is anyone else involved in Dna testing for genealogical purposes? It appears in my families case some of the information passed down was in error, I suspect for political reasons or to fit better in the community my ancestors found themselves living in.


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Not involved but I find it interesting. But with a name like Taasevigen (and a few variants; Tossvikon etc) you is kin or you ain't! When we get back to the Ellingsons THEN it gets much trickier! Damn Scandinavian surnames anyway! wacko.gif

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Right now the Todd family (of the Gordon ilk) are in the process of testing out their lines to see how many branches are in the US, when they came over, and where they mainly settled. The next step will be to make the connection back in the old country.


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QUOTE (MacEoghainn @ 05-Feb-2006, 01:34 PM)
I posted this over in Arms and Badges under the Ewing Family name Family Names and Heraldry. Thought I'd post it here also.

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There is major disagreement between various genealogists as to the origination of the Stirling/Dunbartonshire Ewings. Clan MacEwen, which is/was a Highland Gaelic Clan in Argylshire (and also Clan MacLachlan) claim the Stirling/Dunbartonshire Ewings to be part of the original MacEwen Clan that was dispursed after the Clan was broken in the 1400s (see the Clan MacLachlan website  for more info, also see the Clan Ewing website for evidence of the Cymric posistion {Celtic Breton}). Current DNA testing seems to indicate that the Ewings are from Gaelic Highland stock: From Ewing FamilyTreeDNA Project : "One very interesting result is that the modal haplotype for the related Ewing men appears to be an unusual variant of a Gaelic subtype. Many of us had thought that Ewing originated in Celtic Breton tribes in the Scottish lowlands, but this result suggests that they may have been among the Gaelic Scotti, sometimes also called the Dal Riada Celts. "

It is said that people bearing the name Young who claim Scottish ancestry are also part of the larger Ewing family.

Steve Ewing


Is anyone else involved in Dna testing for genealogical purposes? It appears in my families case some of the information passed down was in error, I suspect for political reasons or to fit better in the community my ancestors found themselves living in.

beer_mug.gif thumbs_up.gif: Opa B, I have been able to completely bypass the Kelts of England and go straight to Southern Europe, because of a DNA test,
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QUOTE (MacEoghainn @ 05-Feb-2006, 01:34 PM)
I posted this over in Arms and Badges under the Ewing Family name Family Names and Heraldry. Thought I'd post it here also.

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There is major disagreement between various genealogists as to the origination of the Stirling/Dunbartonshire Ewings. Clan MacEwen, which is/was a Highland Gaelic Clan in Argylshire (and also Clan MacLachlan) claim the Stirling/Dunbartonshire Ewings to be part of the original MacEwen Clan that was dispursed after the Clan was broken in the 1400s (see the Clan MacLachlan website  for more info, also see the Clan Ewing website for evidence of the Cymric posistion {Celtic Breton}). Current DNA testing seems to indicate that the Ewings are from Gaelic Highland stock: From Ewing FamilyTreeDNA Project : "One very interesting result is that the modal haplotype for the related Ewing men appears to be an unusual variant of a Gaelic subtype. Many of us had thought that Ewing originated in Celtic Breton tribes in the Scottish lowlands, but this result suggests that they may have been among the Gaelic Scotti, sometimes also called the Dal Riada Celts. "

It is said that people bearing the name Young who claim Scottish ancestry are also part of the larger Ewing family.

Steve Ewing


Is anyone else involved in Dna testing for genealogical purposes? It appears in my families case some of the information passed down was in error, I suspect for political reasons or to fit better in the community my ancestors found themselves living in.

beer_mug.gif smile.gif : the Kelts especially the Irish, originated in Scythia, now southern Russia, then the Bulgeria area, then the south Central Europe or northern part of Italy, and ended up in northwestern Spain before the Ireland,
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QUOTE (Sekhmet @ 06-Feb-2006, 10:03 PM)
Right now the Todd family (of the Gordon ilk) are in the process of testing out their lines to see how many branches are in the US, when they came over, and where they mainly settled. The next step will be to make the connection back in the old country.

beer_mug.gif smile.gif : Opa B: be prepared for some surprises, Family Tree DNA is probaly the best for getting a DNA done, I had 13 matches and only 4 are Bricker, the Data Bank in Berlin Germany doesn't give last names, but will tell you how many matches and what country they are in, and there is a report called Celts, you might find interesting, and The Cimbri Nation, I like this one because it explains my DNA S28 on marker 259, S28 is Keltic, and the 3rd one you all need to check is called: Population data for Y-chromosome STR Haplotypes from Piedmont Italy, there are still many of the original Keltics scattared in that Alpine area,

My DNA says I'm Keltic, my ancestors say I'm Deutsch by association and marriage, I was born a Germerican in Germerica,
My last name went from Brügger-Brücker-Bricker,

my wife is a Viken-Viking from Scandinavia, a Norman invader in Normandy France (Normanville France), a conquerer of England and settled in Scotland,
Her last name went from Normanville-Norville-Norton ,
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Clan Donald has been doing DNA studies for several years. Overall results are generally consistent with oral tradition. My own results place me in the group of men of Irish descent who may be direct descendants of Niall of the Nine Hostages, which is consistent with my direct paternal immigrant ancester moving from Nortern Ireland to the US in the early 1800's.





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Posted: 09-Jun-2008, 03:18 PM
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I'm scraping my cheek with one hand and typing with the other!!! Doing a marker 37 y-DNA test for McNutt . Ok , just finished the last of 3 cheek scrapings and packing it off to FamilyDNA.
We are positive back to 1690, but have some discrepencies within the oral and written history of the last born Nutt in Ireland. Some history says 3 brothers , 2 of whom we lost touch with, another says 4 brothers of which 3 are lost track of. One says the last Nutt born in Ireland may actually have been born in Scotland then moved to Ireland. Then another says he was born in Ireland and his parents had just prior to 1690, 10 to 20 years before, moved from Scotland to Ireland and another has the Nutts being of ScotsIrish Ulster Plantation again but very early on in the 1600s.
The Nutts are very well documented in the States with just abit of confusion as to a couple of family potential ties. DNA testing would be a great way to determine if 2 possibly 3 distinct Nutt families of the early 1700 were indeed brothers or not. This could account for the lost brothers.


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I just got back my marker 12 results!!!! TOO COOL!!!!!!!!
I already received a email from a direct match in Canada and am overwhelmed with information.
I am not sure what it all means yet, but it is pretty cool.
All kinds of names and locations, so far everything pans out to the family history of Scots moved to the north of Ireland and with the haplogroup* descended from Niall ancestry, not sure what that all means. Even has map locations with push pins of those with exact matches, over 100 and then another 600 with 1 and 2 marker differences.
We actually drove right past 4 cousins with 12 marker matches on our trip to Ireland.
One of the direct matches is located right in the ancestral homelands in Scotland near Inverrary for clan MacNaughten. and a bunch more all around there.
One of the direct matches shows up in the middle of China!! I do know there was a Dr. Liu who was the 9th generation from the 9th child of the first Nutt in the States. Not sure when the family made it over to China.
Wonder if I can get Olympic tickets!!

*R1b1b2e Haplogroup R1b is the most common haplogroup in European populations. It is believed to have expanded throughout Europe as humans re-colonized after the last glacial maximum 10-12 thousand years ago. Its branch R1b1b2e is primarily found in Northern Ireland, and contains the Niall Modal Haplotype.

Can't wait for the 25 and 37 markers!!!!!!
As you can tell I am very excited with this new info and the possibility of breaking new grounds on the familys' genealogy.

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I was just reading up on Niall of the Nine Hostages and thought this sentence was great, and explained alot too.

*In January 2006, scientists suggested that Niall may have been the most fecund male in Irish history, and second only to Genghis Khan worldwide. In northwest Ireland as many as one-fifth of men have a common Y chromosome haplotype that lies within the haplogroup R1b**

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Very cool! I have to dig ours back out, my mother did the National Geographic DNA testing as well, and for the life of me I don't know what I did with the results. They're around somewhere...

Our Todd DNA managed to settle a lot of questions we had regarding which branch belongs to which. The line I'm descended from seems to have landed in Pennsylvania, where they settled and the branches split from there. There's another branch that is in North Carolina that we still don't know much about, they're totally unrelated as near as we can find so far.

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QUOTE (Sekhmet @ 10-Jul-2008, 04:03 PM)
Very cool! I have to dig ours back out, my mother did the National Geographic DNA testing as well, and for the life of me I don't know what I did with the results. They're around somewhere...

Our Todd DNA managed to settle a lot of questions we had regarding which branch belongs to which. The line I'm descended from seems to have landed in Pennsylvania, where they settled and the branches split from there. There's another branch that is in North Carolina that we still don't know much about, they're totally unrelated as near as we can find so far.

Sekhmet, With my having done this DNA test we may have broken thru a new level in connecting past lineage. Oral history and post dated written history has the story of my gggggggggrandfather being one of either 3 or 4 brothers with the 2 or 3 other brothers losing touch with him. Some say one may have remained in Ireland. Some say an Alexander and a John may be his brothers but there is no documented proof, just anectdotal evidence in geographic proximities that they settled in the colonies and in the names of their corresponding children, all sharing names.
Now with DNA testing I have been matched with a descendent of one of the other McNutts and this may very well attach some credence to the stories. I'm just not sure yet as I have not seen the documentation for the other family member.

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I have attached a report (I hope) that will give everyone an idea of how complex this stuff can get, and yet how much progress can be made through DNA testing.

This report is by Dr. David N. Ewing, MD, who is the gentleman in charge of the Clan Ewing DNA study mentioned in my original post. David and I are also seventh cousins once removed according to our conventional paper Genealogies (We are listed as SR and DN in the report).

The DYF399X testing we did was an attempt to differentiate closely related groups of Ewing men. So far the jury is out on what this has really done for us.

Here is an updated link to the Webpage for the Clan Ewing DNA Project for those who may be interested: Ewing Surname DNA Project

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QUOTE (MacEoghainn @ 14-Jul-2008, 07:01 PM)
I have attached a report (I hope) that will give everyone an idea of how complex this stuff can get, and yet how much progress can be made through DNA testing.

This report is by Dr. David N. Ewing, MD, who is the gentleman in charge of the Clan Ewing DNA study mentioned in my original post. David and I are also seventh cousins once removed according to our conventional paper Genealogies (We are listed as SR and DN in the report.

DYF399X testing we did was an attempt to differentiate closely related groups of Ewing men. So far the jury is out on what this has really done for us.

Here is an updated link to the Webpage for the Clan Ewing DNA Project for those who may be interested: Ewing Surname DNA Project

Ok, After careful reading and thorough analysis of your Ewing DNA paper submitted I conclude.........................I have a headache!!! smile.gif
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QUOTE (UlsterScotNutt @ 15-Jul-2008, 09:47 AM)
Ok, After careful reading and thorough analysis of your Ewing DNA paper submitted I conclude.........................I have a headache!!! smile.gif

It's like reading a Home Stereo manual translated (badly) from a foreign language. You know it's telling you something you might like to know, but it makes absolutely no sense what-so-ever! unsure.gif Dr. Ewing (a real live MD) tells me he is confused most of the time!
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