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Posted: 05-May-2006, 10:02 AM
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I myself am for it and I'll tell you why. First it's my right in the 2nd ammendment of the constitution. 2nd I know I'm safe. I've educated my self with it as well as my family and never have had to use it. 3rd, I know I have the upper hand or an equal hand if it comes time to use it. NO. The 2nd ammendment is not speaking of the national guard when it means Militia. Was the national guard around when the constitution was first written? Why is it the the city in the USA ,Washington DC, has the highest crime rate and they have probably the strictest gun laws? Why is it in New York, that the mom and pop store owner who are the most vulernable to getting shot by a robber not allowed to have a legal consealed hand gun but the senior editor of the New York times with a 6 didgit income allowed to "pack heat"? Does everyone remember how international touriest in Miami were getting car jacked and and sometimes killed? Well did you know that these theives were interviewed and they said that the reason they targeted tourest was because they knew for sure they WERE NOT ARMED with a gun as Florida has a very easy going gun law. Yes these crooks even memorized the international flight scheduals and knew where to be. There are many people still alive today because they took advantage of the right to bare arms. I personally know someone who had to use their conceiled gun and to this day don't like to talk about it because it makes them sick but they thank God because if they didn't have the Gun they'd be dead and so would 2 others. The gunman had all ready killed one person and even said to the other 3 you are next when this aquaintance of mine open fired on this mad man and killed him. Now I know that the madman had a gun as well. But as the saying goes, if we restrict the common law biteing citizen from the right to carry a gun, the criminals will still be able to get the guns a lot eaiser.


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QUOTE (Nova Scotian @ 05-May-2006, 10:02 AM)
I myself am not for it and I'll tell you why. First it's my right in the 2nd ammendment of the constitution. 2nd I know I'm safe. I've educated my self with it as well as my family and never have had to use it. 3rd, I know I have the upper hand or an equal hand if it comes time to use it. NO. The 2nd ammendment is not speaking of the national guard when it means Militia. Was the national guard around when the constitution was first written? Why is it the the city in the USA ,Washington DC, has the highest crime rate and they have probably the strictest gun laws? Why is it in New York, that the mom and pop store owner who are the most vulernable to getting shot by a robber not allowed to have a legal consealed hand gun but the senior editor of the New York times with a 6 didgit income allowed to "pack heat"? Does everyone remember how international touriest in Miami were getting car jacked and and sometimes killed? Well did you know that these theives were interviewed and they said that the reason they targeted tourest was because they knew for sure they WERE NOT ARMED with a gun as Florida has a very easy going gun law. Yes these crooks even memorized the international flight scheduals and knew where to be. There are many people still alive today because they took advantage of the right to bare arms. I personally know someone who had to use their conceiled gun and to this day don't like to talk about it because it makes them sick but they thank God because if they didn't have the Gun they'd be dead and so would 2 others. The gunman had all ready killed one person and even said to the other 3 you are next when this aquaintance of mine open fired on this mad man and killed him. Now I know that the madman had a gun as well. But as the saying goes, if we restrict the common law biteing citizen from the right to carry a gun, the criminals will still be able to get the guns a lot eaiser.

No I'm actually not for gun control. I said I'm for it in the beginning of the topic but that was wrong


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I practice gun control all the time. I have a 100 yard shooting range right off my deck that is used on at least a weekly basis.

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I think gun control is a waste of time. It only restricts the law-abiding citizens from owning guns, because they don't want to break the law. Criminals aren't going to bat an eye at gun control laws, because they obviously don't care if they break the law anyway!

My father had 2 bumper stickers on the doors of our house when I was growing up. The back door one said, "this house protected by Smith and Wesson" and the front door said, "Never mind the dog...Beware of the owner". We never had anyone try to break into our home, or even steal anything off of our property! Then again this was in Ohio, and they're pretty cool about gun laws. They've even recently introduced the ability to get concealed carry permits. I currently live in Maryland now, and you can't get a concealed carry permit unless you're a cop, retired cop, or need one for your job. They're even talking about getting rid of the ability for the retired police to get the permit! I hate Maryland's gun laws... sad.gif


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Ya'll pretty much said it all. Every law abiding citizen should have the right to be as well prepared as the average criminal.


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QUOTE (Swanny @ 05-May-2006, 11:10 AM)
I practice gun control all the time. I have a 100 yard shooting range right off my deck that is used on at least a weekly basis.

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QUOTE (Irish Stepper @ 05-May-2006, 12:12 PM)
I think gun control is a waste of time. It only restricts the law-abiding citizens from owning guns, because they don't want to break the law. Criminals aren't going to bat an eye at gun control laws, because they obviously don't care if they break the law anyway!

My father had 2 bumper stickers on the doors of our house when I was growing up. The back door one said, "this house protected by Smith and Wesson" and the front door said, "Never mind the dog...Beware of the owner". We never had anyone try to break into our home, or even steal anything off of our property! Then again this was in Ohio, and they're pretty cool about gun laws. They've even recently introduced the ability to get concealed carry permits. I currently live in Maryland now, and you can't get a concealed carry permit unless you're a cop, retired cop, or need one for your job. They're even talking about getting rid of the ability for the retired police to get the permit! I hate Maryland's gun laws... sad.gif

You are sooo right!!!!
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gun control is a MUST..... without it I'l never hit my target. thumbs_up.gif thumbs_up.gif


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I wrote this letter to my representitivs after the Columbine incident several years ago. It states my opinion.

Dear esteemed senator:
I write this letter to speak my mind. I am appalled at the violence that is happening in our nations schools. I question the direction that the youth of our country are taking. I also am appalled that the people of this great country can stand still for more gun laws. Our right to bear arms is being eroded by these laws. How can anyone stand for a national registration of all firearms ( this lets the government know just where to go to collect weapons if it feels threatened; I think that we should view Bosnia and other areas that have had upheavals and killings for the sake of a country as an example of what could happen if these rights are gone). I am the father of 6 children four of which are in their teens. They have been taught respect for life and the safe handling of fire arms.
I question more the violence on the television ( where someone dead one night is back the next) and I also want to know how many of these kids that are committing this violence have their own T.V.s and play violent games on their Nintendo's and play stations!? Where is the control here!!! How many of these kids do not have parents at home when they need them to be?
How many were raised by a day care provider and not their own parents. I do not want to hear the excuse that it takes two incomes to live today; my wife and I have raised 6 kids with just me working until the last 4 years and my oldest just graduated college this spring. I am not rich or upper class in fact I earn a lower middle class income. YOU JUST HAVE TO SET YOUR PRIORITIES; and OUR CHILDREN SHOULD BE 1ST!!! We do not eat out but maybe twice a year, we do not go to the movies once a month, we do not drive a new car every 3 years; but we are there when our kids need us !
Let us set up a system where parents can and should be responsible for their own. Not a system where no one is responsible. If this means changing lifestyles, let us make it easier to do. If this means one parent staying at home to raise the kids, make it easier. These are the things that have changed from the generations of the past. Make it illegal to put parent responsibility on the schools and daycare providers. Make it illegal to publish violent games, make it illegal for people not to take responsibility for themselves and their own!!!!
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Do not make it illegal or difficult for me to own, use, teach my children to use or purchase the only thing that can and has protected this great country of ours from tyranny and given us the liberty we so much pride ourselves on!
I take a saying from the past " If it is a crime to own firearms, then only criminals will own them.
Let us learn from the past and make the necessary adjustments to our life styles to raise caring and responsible kids and adults not more limiting and freedom robbing laws.
I hope and wish that you will share this letter with those that make these laws and with the nation.


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QUOTE (Shadows @ 05-May-2006, 05:46 PM)
I wrote this letter to my representitivs after the Columbine incident several years ago. It states my opinion.

Dear esteemed senator:
I write this letter to speak my mind. I am appalled at the violence that is happening in our nations schools. I question the direction that the youth of our country are taking. I also am appalled that the people of this great country can stand still for more gun laws. Our right to bear arms is being eroded by these laws. How can anyone stand for a national registration of all firearms ( this lets the government know just where to go to collect weapons if it feels threatened; I think that we should view Bosnia and other areas that have had upheavals and killings for the sake of a country as an example of what could happen if these rights are gone). I am the father of 6 children four of which are in their teens. They have been taught respect for life and the safe handling of fire arms.
I question more the violence on the television ( where someone dead one night is back the next) and I also want to know how many of these kids that are committing this violence have their own T.V.s and play violent games on their Nintendo's and play stations!? Where is the control here!!! How many of these kids do not have parents at home when they need them to be?
How many were raised by a day care provider and not their own parents. I do not want to hear the excuse that it takes two incomes to live today; my wife and I have raised 6 kids with just me working until the last 4 years and my oldest just graduated college this spring. I am not rich or upper class in fact I earn a lower middle class income. YOU JUST HAVE TO SET YOUR PRIORITIES; and OUR CHILDREN SHOULD BE 1ST!!! We do not eat out but maybe twice a year, we do not go to the movies once a month, we do not drive a new car every 3 years; but we are there when our kids need us !
Let us set up a system where parents can and should be responsible for their own. Not a system where no one is responsible. If this means changing lifestyles, let us make it easier to do. If this means one parent staying at home to raise the kids, make it easier. These are the things that have changed from the generations of the past. Make it illegal to put parent responsibility on the schools and daycare providers. Make it illegal to publish violent games, make it illegal for people not to take responsibility for themselves and their own!!!!
BUT
Do not make it illegal or difficult for me to own, use, teach my children to use or purchase the only thing that can and has protected this great country of ours from tyranny and given us the liberty we so much pride ourselves on!
I take a saying from the past " If it is a crime to own firearms, then only criminals will own them.
Let us learn from the past and make the necessary adjustments to our life styles to raise caring and responsible kids and adults not more limiting and freedom robbing laws.
I hope and wish that you will share this letter with those that make these laws and with the nation.

I'm not sure what is going on (somebody may want to check my medication! wink.gif ), but once again I'm in 100% agreement with Brother Shadows! thumbs_up.gif


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Here in Washington (THE state) I can and do drive with a gun on my front seat, or have anything NOT fully auto in my home. Seattle on the other hand is trying DAILY to take the guns out of the hands of not only the crooks, but me as well. In my rual county the kids even take guns to school for hunting before and after class (Not supossed to, but the Principal has a bit of a blind eye! He asked my son if he would pull a blanket over it so the rent-a-cop would stop complaining!)
Now Nova Scotian my friend, it seems that we have finally found common ground.
"The bastards can have my guns when they pry them out of my cold dead hands. And I've taken as many with me as I can!!"
Gun control is BOTH hands on that pistol (And don't hold it sideways like you see the fools do on TV!)


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QUOTE (Dogshirt @ 05-May-2006, 07:41 PM)
Here in Washington (THE state) I can and do drive with a gun on my front seat, or have anything NOT fully auto in my home. Seattle on the other hand is trying DAILY to take the guns out of the hands of not only the crooks, but me as well. In my rual county the kids even take guns to school for hunting before and after class (Not supossed to, but the Principal has a bit of a blind eye! He asked my son if he would pull a blanket over it so the rent-a-cop would stop complaining!)
Now Nova Scotian my friend, it seems that we have finally found common ground.
"The bastards can have my guns when they pry them out of my cold dead hands. And I've taken as many with me as I can!!"
Gun control is BOTH hands on that pistol (And don't hold it sideways like you see the fools do on TV!)


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QUOTE (Shadows @ 05-May-2006, 04:46 PM)
I wrote this letter to my representitivs after the Columbine incident several years ago. It states my opinion.

Dear esteemed senator:
I write this letter to speak my mind. I am appalled at the violence that is happening in our nations schools. I question the direction that the youth of our country are taking. I also am appalled that the people of this great country can stand still for more gun laws. Our right to bear arms is being eroded by these laws. How can anyone stand for a national registration of all firearms ( this lets the government know just where to go to collect weapons if it feels threatened; I think that we should view Bosnia and other areas that have had upheavals and killings for the sake of a country as an example of what could happen if these rights are gone). I am the father of 6 children four of which are in their teens. They have been taught respect for life and the safe handling of fire arms.
I question more the violence on the television ( where someone dead one night is back the next) and I also want to know how many of these kids that are committing this violence have their own T.V.s and play violent games on their Nintendo's and play stations!? Where is the control here!!! How many of these kids do not have parents at home when they need them to be?
How many were raised by a day care provider and not their own parents. I do not want to hear the excuse that it takes two incomes to live today; my wife and I have raised 6 kids with just me working until the last 4 years and my oldest just graduated college this spring. I am not rich or upper class in fact I earn a lower middle class income. YOU JUST HAVE TO SET YOUR PRIORITIES; and OUR CHILDREN SHOULD BE 1ST!!! We do not eat out but maybe twice a year, we do not go to the movies once a month, we do not drive a new car every 3 years; but we are there when our kids need us !
Let us set up a system where parents can and should be responsible for their own. Not a system where no one is responsible. If this means changing lifestyles, let us make it easier to do. If this means one parent staying at home to raise the kids, make it easier. These are the things that have changed from the generations of the past. Make it illegal to put parent responsibility on the schools and daycare providers. Make it illegal to publish violent games, make it illegal for people not to take responsibility for themselves and their own!!!!
BUT
Do not make it illegal or difficult for me to own, use, teach my children to use or purchase the only thing that can and has protected this great country of ours from tyranny and given us the liberty we so much pride ourselves on!
I take a saying from the past " If it is a crime to own firearms, then only criminals will own them.
Let us learn from the past and make the necessary adjustments to our life styles to raise caring and responsible kids and adults not more limiting and freedom robbing laws.
I hope and wish that you will share this letter with those that make these laws and with the nation.

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You know, I just have one quick thing to say.

I find it rather hypocritical and appaling to read a letter that talks about people taking responsibility for their actions and the lives of their children, standing firm behind the second amendment right to bear arms, and yet at the same time decides that violent video games are part of the problem and the publishing of these games should be banned.

How is that taking responsibility? It sounds to me like sacrificing a different scape goat to make people look away from gun control.

Now I'm against gun control, and I agree that people need to be held responsible for their actions. That is why I get so sick of people deciding that video games, movies, music, and books should be censored, controlled, banned, or made illegal. I'll tell you something, if you can't keep an eye on your kids enough to keep them away from this adult material, and you don't know enough about your kids to know what video games they are playing, movies they are watching, music they are listening to, or books they are reading, then you don't know if they own and use a gun without your knowledge.

If you are too lazy to educate your children about adult entertainment (and I mean violent as well as sexual in content) then you are just as guilty of poor parenting as the parents whose kids go off on bloody rampages.

If you want to blame video games, then it's just as easy to say that video games didn't put the gun in that kids hands. Most likely the parent did by not securing their firearms appropriately.


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You obviously did not get the whole jist of the letter friend, read it again.
It is the lack of supervision and nurturing ... not the games.
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