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| Posted by: Nova Scotian 09-Feb-2006, 08:53 PM |
| With the recient events steming from the recient cartoons of Mohammad, I'm not surprised at the reaction of Muslems. I think it's tragic that several western nations and the EU are demanding an apology. I say to Denmark, way to go! Stand by your decision to print the cartoon. The stuff Muslems print concerning Jews and Christians in their presses, cartoons, etc, and they go crazy. Well it only comes to show what Islam is, A faith of EVIL. It's about time Europe is seeing it. |
| Posted by: Elspeth 09-Feb-2006, 09:05 PM |
| I don't know that Islam is a faith of evil, but there certianly are many out there who do evil in it's name. I wonder, why are they so postal over a cartoon, and then I wonder if perhaps I should be more insensed when people mock Jesus. |
| Posted by: Dogshirt 09-Feb-2006, 09:52 PM |
| There have been those who have done evil in the name of christ also. As long as there are humans and religions this will be so. As a non-christian I think my people would be better off today if they had turned their backs on the first black robes they ever saw. But I can still tolerate them, or muslims etc. But when one group belittles or threatens another's beliefs this sort of thing will inevitably follow. It is I'm afraid, just human nature. |
| Posted by: ballydun 09-Feb-2006, 11:04 PM |
| I don't understand a group who feels it is OK to terrorize and kill innocents for what one person does. why kill so many over a cartoon? It is insane if you ask me. |
| Posted by: Dogshirt 10-Feb-2006, 12:06 AM |
| That is the way of the fanatic I'm afraid. Take a wee look at the Spanish inquisition. Those men felt that they were right and had the right to perform hideous torture in the name of their god to make EVERYONE saw and did things THEIR way. And while physical torture was not used, McCarthyism ruined many people's lives. Perhaps fanaticism precludes humanity! |
| Posted by: Elspeth 10-Feb-2006, 06:01 AM |
| Yep, it is human nature. The inquisition was greed gone nuts. Horrors have been perpetrated 'in the name of' anything others find holy. Some are mentally unbalanced, but most are caught up in the human passions of power, greed, vengence, etc and etc. And yet, there is something to the Arab mentality that goes over the edge easier. I didn't realize this until reading a novel written 100 years ago. Like a man who easily takes offense. An eye for an eye is arrived at quicker than love thy neighbor - in general. Gross, sweeping generalizations. But it seems to be a place, a culture that breeds fanatics. Holy sacrifice. Suicide bombings. Personal life seems to hold little value for enough of the population that the stereotype is perpetuated. We westerners, on the whole, are much too selfish. We may march for a cause, but we aren't about to die for it. I wonder why so many arabs become zealots, rushing in to punish others and then die for a principle. It seems they are a people with a big chip on their shoulders. Other have equal justification for anger, are living in worse conditions with no hope and yet they do not lash out at the world. Interesting to delve into what makes cultures tick. Some tick like a mantle clock, others like a bomb. |
| Posted by: haynes9 10-Feb-2006, 07:16 AM |
| As a Christian, does it bother me when I see a cartoon or a TV show mocking Christ and Christianity? Yes. Does it make me want to burn cars and buildings and hurt innocents? No. And the last time I looked, my God is not so insecure that He needs me to take to the streets and burn and kill to defend His Name. He has done a pretty good job of defending His Name Himself. Pity that they have such a weak, insecure god. As for the Inquisition, those who tortured and murdered in the name of Christ neither knew Him nor had His blessing. They were very bit as vile and wicked as those we see on the news in the Middle East today. |
| Posted by: dundee 10-Feb-2006, 09:39 AM | ||
+1  |
| Posted by: Eventide 10-Feb-2006, 10:20 AM |
| In the Muslim community the general public views their leader as the one who ultimately responsible for the actions of the entire group. Which can be highly illogical when applied to a large society as a whole I know but that's just the way it is. Events have been escalating for over a year now in some parts of Europe and it became especially violent with scourges of young arabic mobs haunting the streets of London and Denmark in "ghettos". To make a political stand by rebuking a cartoon character in the name of religion is laughable when you consider the consequences of this war. Using it as an excuse to further propagate their agenda is deplorable but to also use it to perpetuate violence on a national scale as they did and justify it in a holy manner is barbaric and inexcusable. Especially when some are milking it. Is this going to be the wave of the future of the Middle East? Maybe to fuel their little war machine? http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/02/02/turkish.movie.ap/index.html A modern means to old chapters in the history books IMHO. The Crusades come to mind. The point is this will never end if all sides to not actively take measures to ensure peace, it will spiral out of control until it becomes so violent and bloody that the horror of it might, just might, be too great for anyone to bear and make it stop. |
| Posted by: Shamalama 10-Feb-2006, 10:48 AM | ||
| You cannot forget the deep level of hypocrisy here. For many years there have been cartoons coming out of the Arab media that make the danish cartoons pale in comparison. Many are quite graphic in their depictions of Jews butchering Arab children and eating their flesh/blood. http://www.commonfolkusingcommonsense.com/images/stuff/blaspheme03.jpg Some time ago a Dutch artist showed the backs of naked women with verses from the Quran written on them. This was considered blasphemy. A Muslim extremist ritually slaughtered the artist, Theo van Gogh, in broad daylight. Most of the world didn't seem to care about van Gogh's death. http://www.commonfolkusingcommonsense.com/images/stuff/blaspheme01.jpg Then in Brussels a young Muslim immigrant published a poster depicting the Virgin Mary with naked breasts. Though the picture has drawn some protest from Catholics (though not from Western embassies, nor from the bishops), this artist need not fear being murdered in the street. On the contrary, he is being subsidised by the Ministry for Culture. http://www.commonfolkusingcommonsense.com/images/stuff/blaspheme02.jpg But now comes some cartoons out of Denmark. Now many of the imans and mullahs are wanting flesh and blood from not only the Danes but also most of Europe and the US. http://www.commonfolkusingcommonsense.com/images/stuff/filibuster.gif http://www.commonfolkusingcommonsense.com/images/stuff/blaspheme05.jpg
And now the Iranians are calling for a cartoon contest depicting the Holocaust in response to the current Cartoon Circus, a sort of tit-for-tat. Surely those of the Religion Of Peace, moral stalwarts that they are, wouldn't devolve into an "...oh yeah, well take this..." type of childish behavior, would they? While the Ummah continues to rage about the Mohammed cartoons, no one will give a spit in the wind about the Iranian ones. That is not a bad thing. The civilized world has gone far to heal the wound that is the Holocaust, while the uncivilized are still unable to heal the wound that left them living 1500 years in the past. I would love it if the Iranian press would submit images of Christ as a trannie midget porn star, Buddha as a elephant humping bestialitist, and any other various and sundry defilements of world religions that they can muster. Because if they stay on the road they're on right now, soon they'll be seen, even in the liberal media, to be the barbarians that they are. Yes, Virginia, there are moderate muslims, but they’re not about to stand up and be counted unless they believe, firmly, that they can count on the US to back them up. Can you blame them? Would you stand up in a nation of almost 70 million, just to mention Iran, if you didn’t know for sure that somebody had your back? If we truly want to mobilize the moderate muslims, the ones that just want to practice their faith in peace like we do, then we’ve got to make it abundantly clear that we’ll destroy anybody, without mercy, that stand in the way of that. Yes, I said it - sue me. There are many people in America and elsewhere in the West are making statements about how the media should self-censor and not publish the Danish cartoons that have sparked several days of Muslim rioting. That’s fine, and their argument isn’t completely without merit. However, it seems to me that these same people are precisely those who said that censoring the Abu Ghraib prison photos would be an unacceptable restriction on freedom of speech and a betrayal of the media’s allegiance to the truth. So what can we glean from these facts? - If you are being critical of Christians or Jews then you are protected by free speech. - If you are being critical of Islam, which is still stuck in the Middle Ages, then you are in danger of death by the jihadis. |
| Posted by: ballydun 10-Feb-2006, 11:07 AM |
| Wow, Shamalama! You sure seem to have done a lot of thinking andresearch on the subject! I think everyone has very good points here. I don't understand the thought processes of these kinds of people, and I'm sure I never will. I guess everyone has the right to think they are right, but it shouldn't be at such an extreme expense. |
| Posted by: birddog20002001 10-Feb-2006, 12:19 PM |
| One of the silly things about the whole issue with the cartoons is the fact that it is not God that the cartoon portrayed but Muhammed, by muslim law there can be no portrayals of Muhammed in order to prevent what he saw was the bad Catholic habit of praying to saints and other men. this law was supposed to prevent his reputation from competing with God. But the silly thing was by killing others in protest to his image Muhammed has actually upsurped Gods pre-eminince. When I was in the Army one of my soldiers gave me as a going away present a lighter that said "I'm not racist I hate everyone equally." and with that in mind I will continue to hold a high level of disdain for all parties involved. |
| Posted by: Aaediwen 10-Feb-2006, 05:30 PM |
| I refuse to say one way or the other about the cartoon itself until I've seen it. However, based on what little I have heard, I fail to understand what the big deal is about it. Editorial cartoonists will poke fun at anything. It's not like Christians, Buddists, and Jews haven't been the subject of the same and worse. Shamalama said it better than I'd be qualified to, I think. |
| Posted by: celticfire 10-Feb-2006, 06:05 PM | ||
Islam is not an evil faith. I find that a childish way of phrasing the problem at hand. There are people who follow it who make the wrong desicions, sometimes for religious matters, sometimes not. But simply because of the recent turbulence between the Danish and Muslims, gives no one the right to point fingers at every Muslim, Muslim FAMILIES, simply because of how they view God. It was once noted in the Quaran that Jews and Christians are "brothers in the faith" because of so many similarities. The cartoons that "dis" other religions are foolish to be printed; how clever can you be if you even suspect how much of a catastrophe will result from it? |
| Posted by: Antwn 10-Feb-2006, 06:52 PM |
| Another irony here is that the Danish paper's circulation is about 150,000 weekdays and 200,000 weekends. If Muslim extremists really wanted to limit an offensive exposure they would have been better off keeping quiet. No one but some Jutland Danes would have noticed. Instead they created a global firestorm out of an ember. |
| Posted by: MacEoghainn 10-Feb-2006, 07:13 PM | ||
They want the exposure. It inflames the feelings of their followers, insures the silence of any "moderates", and intimidates wishy-washy liberals and politicians, here and in Europe, into compelling the press to "restrain" themselves (something they would never think of doing if the press were insulting Christians or Jews with similar cartoons). |
| Posted by: Elspeth 10-Feb-2006, 07:28 PM | ||
Why do we allow this double standard to continue? Resorting to their tactics would, of course, be stupid. However, should we stand up for what we find holy? And again, the power of negative press. It has been said the muslims who wish to fuel this fire have been given the power to do so because their antics are news and are covered in the press worldwide. That old conundrum. Situations explode because they are given airplay and they are given airplay because they boost ratings and sell papers. Do you ever want to just spank some people and send them to their rooms until they learn how to behave? Some people needed a strong mama to put them in their place. Man would that make some heads spin.  Sorry for being flippant in this serious minded forum but really, it is just too ridiculous with tragic results. |
| Posted by: SCShamrock 11-Feb-2006, 02:13 AM | ||
No, it doesn't. However, it does compel me to share my thoughts concerning what is being penned as "moderate" Muslims. Why exactly are they labeled this way? I think the general consensus would be that they are the ones that keep silent in situations such as this----non-participatory in the volley of death cries and violent outrage. Now I also wonder why that is. I suspect they are in disagreement with those who are viewed, in the most PC way, as extremists. If this is the case, then why are they silent? Why not speak their mind, and by so doing help prevent the continued tarnishing of Islam's reputation? Again, I have an idea. I believe it is because that the "moderate" Muslim is an incredible minority, and that the "extremist" is the religion's norm. Otherwise, why fear? Why not stand and defend your religion, exposing those who would kill in defense of a prophet as the wacked out lunatic he is? Certainly there is strength in numbers, and certainly if Islam was the benevolent religion some on the PC side of the aisle would have you believe, that there would be boldness on the part of the so-called "moderate." No, I believe it is as I have always said, this is not a religion of peace, but rather a breeding ground for the most hateful and dark hearts. Now, one more thing. SHAMALAMA FOR PRESIDENT! |
| Posted by: Shadows 11-Feb-2006, 07:37 AM |
| One thing I can say will be a good thing about this whole issue is that the Islamic's are saying they are not going to take aid from anyone who is involved with this "cartoon". The Danish citizens are the major contributors of aid to that part of the world ( thought we were huh?). If they refuse aid all they will have is oil and sand, can't eat them or use them for meds. I said else where on this forum that "any" group or belief can turn such things in their favor and incite those that were on the borderline to change over to the cause. |
| Posted by: Nova Scotian 13-Feb-2006, 08:48 PM |
| I love what I'm seeing here. Opinions. It's great! It's freedom and no one is going to chop anothers head of because of someone else disagrees. I'm a Christian. I do knoe what happened during the crusaides and it was wrong. Any Christian will tell you it was wrong and many during that time would have told you it's wrong. Muslems think because they are Muslems, they should be ruling the world and have all the gold. A big part of their anger is envy. The west has all the gold and influance and they hate that with a passion. My wife is a Arab American and was born over there. Her Mum and Dad are both Palistinian and are Christian and have never been Muslem. They will tell Islam is evil and the main reason they live here now is because of how they were looked upon in the Middle East. Also Christians here in the west have had distasteful cartoons drawn about Christ and of God. Not to mention the Jews have had the samething. Yes. There have been radicles that try to stir up unrest as a result but they are always pushed aside by the main stream. Islam as we can all see with the recient events has no main stream to push aside the radicles and millitants. They wish to force their view of their religion on the rest of the world and here is some key nations calling for an apology. Well I give NO apologies! Way to go Denmark! |
| Posted by: Nova Scotian 13-Feb-2006, 08:52 PM | ||
Have you ever live in the middle east? Or know anyone who has? My wife and her family are Christian Arabs and you saying Islam is not evil? They'd tell you otherwise. |
| Posted by: Nova Scotian 13-Feb-2006, 09:17 PM | ||
It's their way to try to force their view on the world. I say Way TO GO DENMARK!!!!! |
| Posted by: Nova Scotian 13-Feb-2006, 09:21 PM | ||
Well Said. I heard a question asked, how would Jesus react to a simular cartoon featuring him. I think he'd probabnly laugh! Jesus does have a sense of humor I believe. |
| Posted by: John Clements 14-Feb-2006, 05:22 PM |
| I say lets have it out right now. After all, God is on all of our sides, so we can't possibly loose? You know, I think we can all question our religion, without loosing faith! |
| Posted by: Nova Scotian 14-Feb-2006, 07:12 PM | ||
Yes and in Christianity you're suppose to be able to question God as a matter of fact he welcomes it. Most of the time other Christians don't have a problem with it. Now just try questioning Islam especially if your a Muslem. I've heard from former Muslem what use to happen when they were young if they ever qusetioned Islam or the Quoran. They got punished severly and I don't need to say how but one could figure it out. Even as an adult if you ever do such a thing it could cost you your life and convert out of Islam? You signed you death sentence. Yes. There are some Christians who have done the same in the past but thank God thet are few and far between. Yes. There are decient Muslems out there. I have a great friend who's Muslem but not a practicing Muslem. But I find ones like him are few and far between. I'll close with this, Don't judge a whole group of people because of the actions of the majority. |