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Posted by: barddas 10-Jul-2003, 02:50 PM

What Is Magick I thought this would make a good topic to start out with... I found this on the net, and it is very simply dispels everything that some religions, old superstitions and of course Hollywood have tried to make people believe magick is. Magick is finding your connection to the Earth and all that is natural, alive and moving in the universe! It binds all that exists together. Magick is living in balance with the flow of life, and knowing that you are a vital force within that flow. Magick is everywhere! In the trees, rain, stars, and in the sea. It is the spark that quickens a seed to rise up from the soil. Magick is laughter, joy, wonder and truth the of the world around us! It is the subtle enchantment that reminds us not to waste a single moment of this gift that we call life! Magick is not greed, or power, or pretense...It is real. It exists. And it works. Magick is the mystery that lies in the secret soul of the world. It is the essence of creation. What we imagine, we have the power to create! MAGICK IS WITHIN YOU... With it you can create your dreams, heal your world, love your life and find the peace that lives in every human heart. Author Unknown I thought it was nice.... Some people might call lighting a candle at a church vigal(sp?), magick. Lighting the candle, and wishing/praying for a result... That is a magickal ritual. Change thru will...

Posted by: RavenWing 10-Jul-2003, 03:03 PM

THAT is awesome!

Posted by: Shadows 10-Jul-2003, 08:26 PM

Yes that is great!!!! Magick is just plain life and the understanding that what ever you do has an effect on your surroundings. If you take you must give back, if you give you must be prepared to recieve thrice, if it is good you will recieve good 3 times , if it is bad so the same goes. There is a lost book of the christian new testiment that only a very few in the Vatican have seen... if it were to be made doctrine it would shake the world to it's knees! In this book the great Jesus lifts a rock when asked where is Gods kingdom... " here under this rock and in the life of this tree is where my fathers kingdom is when you understand these things you will sit at his side..." I heard of this passage and some others from a great uncle that was a Jesuit priest and had access to the libraries in the Vatican. I only wish I had listened to him more when he was alive.... you see I was only 19 when he died and not many 19 year olds listen to religion well! The reason I post this here is because these beliefs are also Wiccan.

Posted by: RavenWing 11-Jul-2003, 06:42 AM

I think those beliefs cross many religious and spiritual boundaries.

Posted by: Aon_Daonna 11-Jul-2003, 02:19 PM

QUOTE (Shadows @ Jul 11 2003, 04:26 AM) There is a lost book of the christian new testiment that only a very few in the Vatican have seen... if it were to be made doctrine it would shake the world to it's knees! In this book the great Jesus lifts a rock when asked where is Gods kingdom... " here under this rock and in the life of this tree is where my fathers kingdom is when you understand these things you will sit at his side..." I heard of this passage and some others from a great uncle that was a Jesuit priest and had access to the libraries in the Vatican. I only wish I had listened to him more when he was alive.... you see I was only 19 when he died and not many 19 year olds listen to religion well! There are several gospels not included into the New Testament, the most well known is probably the "Thomas-Gospel". There was a synode at the beginning of what was christendom and the highest cardinals, bishop and the pope decided which gospels should be included into the Bible and which not. The bishops that believed and voted for gospels that were not included were expelled... Some of the Gospels not included into the New Testament sees Jesus as a more spiritual person, not as a person that walked on earth. The Cathars?Albigensians lived after these gospels and preached that God was not a being in heaven but more to be searched in each and everything, most in the heart of one's self. Those beliefs (and other practices) made the Cathars so dangerous to the Catholic Church, and these beliefs and practices were the reason for the Albigensian Crusades and the distruction of the Cathars in the 12/13th century. There are some interesting pages on the net (some should be read with a watching eye because they contain weird material) and those who are interested can contact me about that by pm or other This doesn't really belong to the topic but I thought I'd post it anyway because I thought that it might be interesting to know.

Posted by: Shadows 14-Jul-2003, 11:20 AM

That was my point! What the churches would share with the people was edited and revised to achieve the end that they were looking for, and not always the truth nor complete story.

Posted by: RavenWing 14-Jul-2003, 11:25 AM

That was one of my biggest reasons for turning away from Christianity. It still has a special place in my heart, but I just feel it is not the true way for me.

Posted by: barddas 14-Jul-2003, 11:31 AM

likewise.... I find it to be a nice book of morals. But to be 100% factual. I can't.. things get lost in translations, and edited to ones liking ( ie King James Bible) It is after all a 2000 yr old text! We don't know what the original read like... Hell, in 2000 yrs Tolkin, could be believed to be "real" With the amount of information that he made...ie Languages, past histories, family trees... I don't mean to offend ANYONE.. it was just an example...

Posted by: RavenWing 14-Jul-2003, 11:50 AM

Right, The ten commandmants are a good example of that to me. The are generally some good things to do, no matter what religion you are. (With the exemption of the other gods stuff etc..) One would think that do not lie, steal, or sleep with your friend's spouse would be common sense.

Posted by: Aon_Daonna 15-Jul-2003, 08:26 AM

hmm... well, read the satanic "bible" they got interesting commandments too... I always thought that being Christian is in the way you behave, not in what you believe. ((BTW: I read the Satanic Bible.. for something invented as nemesis to God, it's not too evil That might be blasphemie but I think so, sorry if I offend anybody, but I live after the motto "know your enemy" (well, know as much as possible, actually ) which makes me read all the stuff I can find. In the case of Satanism, I'm so sick and tired of being mistaken for a Satanist, just because I wear black, leather and my make-up is gothic... it makes me soo angry sometimes...))

Posted by: RavenWing 15-Jul-2003, 08:46 AM

QUOTE (Aon_Daonna @ Jul 15 2003, 03:26 PM) hmm... well, read the satanic "bible" they got interesting commandments too... I always thought that being Christian is in the way you behave, not in what you believe. ((BTW: I read the Satanic Bible.. for something invented as nemesis to God, it's not too evil   That might be blasphemie but I think so, sorry if I offend anybody, but I live after the motto "know your enemy" (well, know as much as possible, actually  ) which makes me read all the stuff I can find. In the case of Satanism, I'm so sick and tired of being mistaken for a Satanist, just because I wear black, leather and my make-up is gothic... it makes me soo angry sometimes...)) I might get flamed for sayting this, but I see what people refer to as Satanism as just another version of Christianity, just turned upside down. Wouldn't one have to believe the tenents of Christianity to worship the opposite? I think what a lot of people are calling satanist are actually Setians who worship Set. Am I wrong here?

Posted by: Aon_Daonna 15-Jul-2003, 11:42 AM

It depends: Real Satanists actually worship the Nemesis of God, as in his/its function as the Negative. Instead of placing Agape (love your next) high it's the love of one's self. You could say satanism is the religion of the selfish. There is a number of Sethians, but Seth is in his definition different from Satan. Seth is not the Nemesis of anything, he has an entirely different function (egyptologists could tell you more about that, I never really got into that aspect). These two religious streams are similar in some ways but base on entirely different beings. (btw: ppl that sacrifice children etc are pseudo-satanists (freaks). The Satanic Commandments clearly state against that.) I read a book about the modern western religions and streams, the author said that you can't actually negate God without acknowledging the image you have of God. (it sounds complicated but after pondering about that for a while I got the sense behind that. I just translated it badly..)

Posted by: RavenWing 15-Jul-2003, 12:47 PM

I think that was what I was trying to say. I just couldn't think of how to say it. QUOTE I read a book about the modern western religions and streams, the author said that you can't actually negate God without acknowledging the image you have of God. Exactly!!

Posted by: barddas 15-Jul-2003, 12:52 PM

If anyone is interested in the history, what is, and what is not... Here is the link to the Official Temple of Set Web site.. http://www.xeper.org/pub/gil/xp_FS_gil.htm It is a lot of information... or I would have just copied it...

Posted by: barddas 15-Jul-2003, 01:51 PM

I hope this doesn't throw this thread off... The set group is just one group.... I don't know too much about them (Setites) but thought I would post what I found via the net....

Posted by: RavenWing 15-Jul-2003, 02:00 PM

I sure don't have any problem with it, I am used to discussions taking their course. Please by all means, discuss....

Posted by: Aon_Daonna 15-Jul-2003, 02:30 PM

Aye, same here =) Well, I bookmarked the page and I'll get into it tomorrow, I can't be bothered to get myself into religious theory while I can enjoy a nice evening on the veranda, with my laptop and huge glass of long island ice tea

Posted by: RavenWing 15-Jul-2003, 03:03 PM

Oooh, that sounds nice. Unfortunately it is a little too humid here to do that.

Posted by: FloweroftheWest 15-Jul-2003, 03:25 PM

Well i might get flamed for this one , but i can't keep my mouth shut on the topic of Satanism. I have to warn ye seriously about de-flating the evil role of Satan, in the bible it is stated quite clearly that he was evil from the very start, and that there is no good in him. He is also the Father of lies and it is in his deepest interest to picture himself as one who is harmless and possibly wronged. Don't fall on this! Dont trust him! His days are counted and he is already defeated and he knows it ... Only his interest to gather in his defeat what he can glean ... but his days are counted. True , they still last, but, as i say they will come to an end some time not too far away and then we will see who prevails ... All glory to Jesus the Son of God, victor over death and Satan! Amen

Posted by: Aon_Daonna 15-Jul-2003, 04:13 PM

FoTW, you're not gettin' flamed.. at least not by me It's just sooo bloody annoying to get mistaken for a satanist when you run around in black clothes *grummel*. Your beliefs are your thing, but I don't believe in things like that... I just can't take things that eg are in stories, legends, songs or books (as maybe the bible) as doctrines and therefore for granted. I believe that Jesus walked on this earth, yes, as a human and historic figure, he was a Nazarene as many others, a sect which tried to free Israel from the romans, as well as they had more liberal beliefs. I believe in God as well as Satan or who ever (may it be a Goddess, or a child God ... I don't mean that blasphemic but much rather regardless which form he/she/it has) as a standard to live after - nothing else. All evil things on this earth are done by us humans ourselves. Who we blame for it is another question. That is what I believe in. As I said, what you believe in is your thing only, it's up to you and nobody else, so I don't want to talk into that, just stating what I believe and why I say things. I'm having my second glass of Long Island Iced Tea here and I think I get a wee bit dizzy now. Time for me to go in.. I don't mind religious discussions btw, as long as they don't end up in tearing each other apart. I hate getting aggressive on theories...

Posted by: Shadows 15-Jul-2003, 08:07 PM

No flaming here either: Satanism and Wicca/Paganism are in no way the same thing.Those who practice Satanism worship a deity that is evil and self centered. Wicca promotes nature and an understanding of natural law, ( what you do comes back three fold ), so evil is not something that a part of Wicca. I believe it was Albert Einstien that said "...If God had not created man then man would have created God..."

Posted by: RavenWing 16-Jul-2003, 06:41 AM

QUOTE (FloweroftheWest @ Jul 15 2003, 10:25 PM) Well i might get flamed for this one , but i can't keep my mouth shut on the topic of Satanism. I have to warn ye seriously about de-flating the evil role of Satan, in the bible it is stated quite clearly that he was evil from the very start, and that there is no good in him. He is also the Father of lies and it is in his deepest interest to picture himself as one who is harmless and possibly wronged. Don't fall on this! Dont trust him! His days are counted and he is already defeated and he knows it ... Only his interest to gather in his defeat what he can glean ... but his days are counted. True , they still last, but, as i say they will come to an end some time not too far away and then we will see who prevails ... All glory to Jesus the Son of God, victor over death and Satan! Amen This is where the differences in spiritual/religious beliefs come in. I don't believe in Satan.

Posted by: RavenWing 16-Jul-2003, 06:42 AM

QUOTE (Shadows @ Jul 16 2003, 03:07 AM) No flaming here either: Satanism and Wicca/Paganism are in no way the same thing.Those who practice Satanism worship a deity that is evil and self centered. Wicca promotes nature and an understanding of natural law, ( what you do comes back three fold ), so evil is not something that a part of Wicca. I believe it was Albert Einstien that said "...If God had not created man then man would have created God..." Very nicely put, Shadows. Thanks!

Posted by: barddas 16-Jul-2003, 09:30 AM

I don't think anyone should worry about getting "flamed". That is what I have always liked about this site. The amount of respect everyone has for other opinions.... There are always going to be disagreements.... We are all freinds here. If feelings are hurt, I'm sure it is was not intended to come out that way... So, speak freely. That is what makes this place, and us different.

Posted by: Aon_Daonna 16-Jul-2003, 09:42 AM

exactly... this would be a very unfriendly place if we wouldn't respect each other. But we're doing that, hence the special atmosphere her which makes me come back every day..

Posted by: barddas 16-Jul-2003, 09:46 AM

Me too! It kindda nice to think that someone is thinking about you 3000 miles away.... or more....

Posted by: Aon_Daonna 16-Jul-2003, 09:49 AM

My! Is that the distance?? wow... *thinks of barddas*

Posted by: RavenWing 16-Jul-2003, 10:46 AM

QUOTE (barddas @ Jul 16 2003, 04:30 PM) I don't think anyone should worry about getting "flamed". That is what I have always liked about this site. The amount of respect everyone has for other opinions.... There are always going to be disagreements.... We are all freinds here. If feelings are hurt, I'm sure it is was not intended to come out that way... So, speak freely. That is what makes this place, and us different. You are right. Unfortunately, with some people religion can be their touchiest subject and they can get very defensive about it. I like the fact that we can discuss things in a calm way and not have to worry about someone trying to convert us, or calling us sinners, lost, or whatever.

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