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|Posted by: Donajhi 03-Mar-2009, 07:23 PM|
| I recently inherited 2 Knights Templar swords and haven't a clue who the men
named on them are. Don't even know who willed them to me.
They showed up by UPS and the return address was a PO Box in Illinois.
They had my name and address on them so they were meant for me.
Any ideas on how to run the men down? I have searched the internet
until I am blue in the face. I have always known my family was Templars
but who these people are I haven't a clue. Help please.......
|Posted by: sisterknight 04-Mar-2009, 08:07 AM|
|go to the masons, they might be able to help you...take good care of those swords for they are a precious heritage|
|Posted by: Donajhi 04-Mar-2009, 10:00 AM|
| Already been to the Mason's as we have a huge temple here. Took the swords with me and figured they might have a list or point me in the right direction.
No luck, of course they ask if they could display the swords. The old feller were so sweet it was hard to say no. They were like kids with a new toy, bless them.
There were 3 swords in the original box, but one turned out to be a horror.
The name had been filed off and with great vigor. This perplexed us some what, and the evening we received the swords all hell broke loose.
My daughter, being curious, was holding the obliterated sword looking for a clue as to who it might belong to. We have an ebony dolphin about 2 feet tall, it flew off the shelf and hit her on the head and shoulder. The damage was so great she is still under going therapy for her shoulder. The doctor was amazed to see the imprint of the dolphin's head cleary on the back part of her shoulder.
Anyway, there was a black cloud even nonbelivers could see hanging in the corner of our living room. I took the sword out to a shed on the property and locked it away and contacted a museum back east about it. They agreed to take the thing.
I shipped it out the next day. All has been silent, that was 4 months ago.
|Posted by: Camac 06-Mar-2009, 08:15 PM|
In answer to your question, How to Trace a Knights Templar?, With paper and pencil.
PS; I know 'SMART ASS" right.
|Posted by: Sekhmet 06-Mar-2009, 09:50 PM|
| Dangit Camac you took my smartass line!
Gonna go sulk now.
|Posted by: Rindy 06-Mar-2009, 09:51 PM|
| Camac lol
Hi Donajhi wow what a story. I can just see this happening. I hope you find the information that your seeking. I found a couple of forums that may be of some help. There's so much to look at it's overwhelming. I used the top one when I looked into purchasing a certain sword but thought it was informative. We also have lots of folks posting in the Medieval Gateway about swords. Someone may be able to answer your question there. It's good to see you.
Do let us know what you find out. Keep safe.lol..
|Posted by: Camac 07-Mar-2009, 07:33 AM|
Sorry, but when I read the question it just popped into my head and I couldn't resist. Guess it's the Imp in me.
|Posted by: Donajhi 07-Mar-2009, 12:38 PM|
| Camac and Sekhmet, I love ya' guys.
Wish you were my brothers......
Thank for the good info...I will follow up.......
|Posted by: Camac 07-Mar-2009, 01:09 PM|
Thanks LUV. You know of course you left yourself wide open for that one.
|Posted by: stoirmeil 10-Mar-2009, 05:56 AM|
It reminds me of the time someone I was studying with got bored and asked:
"How do you make a chicken?" I told him, "Buy it a drink first."
|Posted by: Rindy 10-Mar-2009, 09:25 AM|
| Donajhi here's another link for you.
|Posted by: Donajhi 11-Mar-2009, 03:48 PM|
I have check out the two websites you gave me.
Swords Forum is about medieval, antique, military, and historical swords, but
offer not a word on how to trace the Templar named on the sword.
Sword Link is mostly about when the swords were made. I've already
had them carbon dated one is from 1850-1871 and the second is from
Again no list of Templar's names.
Thanks a million for the info and if you come across anymore sites please
let me know...........
|Posted by: Rindy 11-Mar-2009, 04:00 PM|
| Hi Donajhi I am sorry these didn't help you. Did you happen to ask this question in the Sword Forum International? These people should be able to direct you. Was hoping you could get a link from a link or something. Darn.. I will keep my eyes open. Good luck to you.
|Posted by: glaswegian 12-Mar-2009, 01:16 PM|
If they are only dated back to the 19th century then how can they be knights templar. ?
the knights demplar order did not survive past the 12th century. ?
|Posted by: Camac 12-Mar-2009, 01:59 PM|
Many of the Templars survived the puging of their Order. Some sought refuge in Portugal and renamed the Order the Knights of Christ. Others are said to have fled to Scotland where they were welcomed by the Bruce and fought with him at Bannockburn aiding in the defeat of the English. There are even legends of the Templars coming to North America. This is not beyond the realm of possibility as the Templars had vast fleets at their command plus ports on the Atlantic from which to launch them. The Vikings were in Newfoundland 500 years before Columbus sailed why not others.
|Posted by: glaswegian 12-Mar-2009, 02:11 PM|
I would take that with a pinch of salt camac.
maybe the pyramids were built by martians.
Respectfully, it all sounds like legend and myth to me.
|Posted by: Harlot 12-Mar-2009, 02:22 PM|
The town that I grew up in had what we always called the KC'S and now that I have read this thats what was. I'll make some call tonight and see if it's still there and see if I can find out some information for you. Shouldn't be to hard to find out something. There was 7 bars on that one street when I was growing up there,it was a Polish town called Bronson.
|Posted by: Camac 12-Mar-2009, 02:30 PM|
The KCs are usually the Knights of Columbus. Not the Knights of Christ.
|Posted by: Harlot 12-Mar-2009, 03:14 PM|
|Thank You camac my mistake.|
|Posted by: Camac 12-Mar-2009, 05:09 PM|
Be that as it may but one point that is not legend or myth is that the Vikings were in Newfoundland at a place called L'Anse aux Meadows 500 years before Columbus. It is entirely within the realm of possibility that Templars did escape and go underground. Agreed some is ledgend or myth but the thing is most legends have a base of actuallity.
|Posted by: glaswegian 12-Mar-2009, 06:59 PM|
I am aware of the vikings enterin north america via an ice formation across to iceland, however there is almost zero possability of the nights templer surviving up to the 15th century. And definitely not in the 19th century. I think history should be interprated through evidence, not the balance of probabilities or hypothesis
|Posted by: Camac 12-Mar-2009, 09:26 PM|
I agree history should be judged by facts and evidence but legend sometimes has a stange way of being proved right. The story of the Vikings coming to the New World were legends until the 1960's when their settlement was found at L'Anse aux Meadows on the North West shore of Newfoundland and BTW they sailed here from Greenland not by an ice bridge or connection to Iceland. The legend of King Arthur is now firmly believed to be based on an actual person. As I said not all the Templars were eradicated in the purge and who knows what happened to them. Whether they made it to the New World I don't know as there is scant evidence. Legend says a group of Irish monks led by Brendan made it to North America and the possibility was proven when an adventurer sailed from Ireland to NFLD in a sheep skin and wood boat. Stranger things have happened.
|Posted by: glaswegian 13-Mar-2009, 07:30 AM|
yes I understand what you are saying. And I think we both agree that legends stay as legends until they are proven.
|Posted by: RebeccaAnn 13-Mar-2009, 11:43 AM|
| I found a few sites that might help.
" haven't a clue who the men
named on them are"
What are the names? Have you tried searching for the names themselves? I think your answers lie in the history written and maybe even in the legends not written. Before 1700 or so much of the history was not written. It is mostly an oral history, handed down through the generations. The bards and storytellers are the historians. Yes, much may be legend but there is much truth to be found in the legends.
Look at the early kings or even Sir William Wallace (Gaurdian of Scotland). How nuch is really known of them and how much is what legends say.
|Posted by: Camac 14-Mar-2009, 07:29 AM|
From what I have read perhaps your best bet to trace these swords and the persons named is the Free Masons (York Rite) but then again they might not be willing to divulge any information.
|Posted by: Donajhi 14-Mar-2009, 11:59 AM|
First let me thank you for the information. I am in the process of following
up on the websites you provided.
The names of the swords are; William Roeser and Herold F. Wood.
I have been at this almost a year and searched in every area I or anyone
else could think of. I have even had my cousins in Scotland and Ireland
looking for them in our family tree. No luck.
I have contacted the Fraternal Order of Templar's, who are world wide.
They are searching there members files and arcives. The Free Masons
have been very helpful as my parent's were members, I have their rings.
I do have faith that someone will find that clue for me that will link up these
two men so I can have the swords mounted with a plaque containing the info.
connecting them to our family and that will let their legacy live on.
|Posted by: Donajhi 31-Mar-2009, 02:33 PM|
| Well here I am back after following all the links and info everyone was kind
enough to supply me. All has been a dead end.
Now being the tenacious person I am I decided to swing away from the
internet and call some of the phone numbers I found. Well to make a
long story short, I opened a real can of worms.
Some old dude told me I should not be in possession of such things. He said
they should be turned over to the order. And would not help me. Of course
I, in my own sweet way, told him what he could do to himself.
Now the others were very cagey. They ask if they could fly in and have a
look at them, "To authenticate". WHAT!! Fly in. A great big NO to that one.
I have them in a deposit safe and there they will stay, for now anyway.
|Posted by: Camac 31-Mar-2009, 05:43 PM|
I still say the best way to trace a Knight Templar is with paper and pencil or even charcoal.
|Posted by: RebeccaAnn 31-Mar-2009, 07:08 PM|
| Have you tried writing to the person who sent them to you and asking him? He would at lest know where he got them and that might give you a clue of where to search. I still think your answer lies in the history and maybe even the legends of the lands where the knights templer were. I know from my own family that much of our early history was handed down through the generations and much of it to this day is not written.
|Posted by: Donajhi 09-Apr-2009, 05:09 PM|
I still think you are the greatest, kiddo....
|Posted by: Donajhi 09-Apr-2009, 05:20 PM|
They showed up by UPS and the return address was a PO Box in Illinois.
I contacted the Post Office and ask if either of the two names were the
They can not give out that information. So I sent a letter to the box
number, no name. I got the letter back as undeliverable.
I have to buckle down to finish my next book before my agent kills me.
So I'll put them away for a while and start again when I have time.
Thank you so much for all your help.
|Posted by: skeets52 23-Sep-2014, 09:56 AM|
|And the question I ask is this, how many other Brother Sir Knights are there in this site?|