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| Posted by: Tassiecelt 25-Sep-2004, 04:12 AM |
| A couple joined us at church today, old friends of ours, not seen them for years. The lass was wanting to talk about something new that she is doing, Quantum Touch, a sort of healing. When she spoke about it and mentioned 'chakra's' I became concerned and asked her for more info. She directed me this site, I was keen to look at it because I was troubled that what she was doing may not be too Christian. So, here is a brief overview. I welcome your opinions as brothers and sisters in the Lord Jesus. http://www.quantumtouch.com/QTOverviewReport.php Interestingly, my sermon topic was "the fear of God", I hope it was of value to her in the light of this involvment. |
| Posted by: Shadows 25-Sep-2004, 07:08 AM |
| And just what do you find wrong with this???? |
| Posted by: Tassiecelt 25-Sep-2004, 07:13 AM |
| This is Kirk and Chapel, right? tell me if I have that wrong. |
| Posted by: Shadows 25-Sep-2004, 07:17 AM |
| Yes it is Kirk and Chapel, does that mean I cant read and post? |
| Posted by: CelticRose 25-Sep-2004, 07:19 PM |
| Tassiecelt, I have read over this very carefully. While I think I know where you are coming from as far as chakra's, I have to say that many people have been given the gift of healing. I have been to many practitioners who have practiced Shiatsu, reflexology and deep tissue massage on me..............the non-Christian practioners did more for my back than any MD could have done who would only give me Rx meds that lead to other problems. I do go to a Christian massage therapist now, but that would not stop me from going to a non-Christian practitioner who I felt knew what they were doing. That is my humble opinion. I don't think I would want to be prayed over from a non-Christian, seeing that I am a Christian, but I would accept the non-Christian's healing skills. I guess it just depends on what they want to do to me..........like I am against the energy healing because that also involves prayer. I want to personally be prayed over by a Christian because of my beliefs..............call me narrow minded, but that is how I feel. |
| Posted by: WizardofOwls 25-Sep-2004, 07:35 PM |
| Tassiecelt, I must say that I agree with you. The Bible is clear that there are only 2 sources of power, God and the enemy. If the power behind the healing does not come from God, then there is only one other source. I'm sorry, as much as people would like to think differently, man in and of himself has no "supernatural" power, whether of healing or any other sort. Personally, if I can't get my healing from God Himself or, at the very least, a doctor of western medicine, then I'll just deal with whatever is ailing me on my own. Rosie, you said, "I have to say that many people have been given the gift of healing." While I love ya dear, I'm afraid I can't agree with you on this one. The power for the healing does not come from the man. It is a gift of the Holy Spirit and can only operate through a man of God. If they are not Christian, then the power comes from somewhere else! Just my humble opinion.... |
| Posted by: birddog20002001 25-Sep-2004, 07:48 PM |
| TC fist of all all I would like to say that I am not a Christian, Wiccan, nor Hindu so you can take my advice for what it cost, but please remember I don't have a dog in this fight. I do know that western medicine does not have all of the answers and sometimes even lies about what they do know. I do not understand all of the concepts of eastern medicine but I do believe that they do work and are less invasive, and from what I have read the mention of chakras are not necesarily a reference to a religion but to a physical area of strength in the body (similar to the western medicine concept of the heart being the strong point or engine for the circulatory system.) As far as I can tell this system of healing does not endorse any particular religion or belief. Nor can I see this system of healing conflict with Christian tennents of faith or practice. It appears to me to be a method of physical manipulation and alignment. Which sound similar at least in concept to accupuncture (where there is a blockage of energy, called chi, pronounced qi in a particular part of the body depending on where the blockage ocours an organ, limb, or other part of the body may be negatively affected) or of a chiropractor (which realignes the body putting the bones joints and muscles in their correct positions.) All three of these methods of healing are based on the body being systemic and a failure in one area affects the rest of the body. I don't understand how exactly a watch tells the time with all of the gears spinning in different directions. I do however know that if I don't wind it, the watch will stop working. So by manipulating the tiny winder it influences the entire body of the watch. I can justify this all day, but the thing each of us must all keep in our minds would this method of healing affect our relationship with God I personally don't think that it would. I do believe that God is all powerful and is with us always and he knows the intentions in our hearts he also gives us gifts to use. And I hope that I remember this correctly,the parable Jesus told of the three slaves give a sum of gold by their master the first goes out and wastes it and has nothing to show, the second is so worried that he burries the money and get no benefit from it, but the third is wise and invests it and makes a proffit, and the master is pleased and grants the man the gold. So after we decide that an action not only is acceptable but brings glory to God we must use it to the benefit to God and humanity or else we fail. Thats all for my ramblings I hope that I may have shared some food for thought. Gene |
| Posted by: WizardofOwls 25-Sep-2004, 08:02 PM |
| All I will say is that I would think twice before letting someone who claimed to have the power to heal lay hands on me! I personally don't recall Jesus or Paul or any other man of God in the Bible ever checking on someone's chakras or their chi! |
| Posted by: Tassiecelt 25-Sep-2004, 08:06 PM |
| CelticRose, I understand what you say, I didn't make my post very clear, let me explain. The lass who came to church is not looking for healing by this method, SHE is a practicing it herself, and claiming that it is in harmony with the Bible. She has done the course and is starting a business doing this. Now what concerns me is that if this stuff is New Age nonsense, then she would be best avoiding it. In actual fact, in spite of my past experience in the occult, I found that she reacted to what I said and would not listen, so likely I will be wasting my time. She has Christian parents who have likewise warned her. I simply promised to look into it more carefully, which promise I intend to keep to. Wizardofowls, I do agree with you, and said the same to this lady in question: If the healing is pointing to the Saviour, it's of God, if it's steering people away from the only Source of healing, then it's not of God. That is my position too. Naturally, I have been to non-Christian physiotherapists and doctors, for simple physical problems. You don't need to know God to set a broken arm. But this Quantum stuff touches on the realm of the metaphysical, so I feel that stricter safeguards need to be in place, you know what I mean. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned, this really is a discernment issue, which is a gift of God and I thank you for your wisdom. |
| Posted by: CelticRose 25-Sep-2004, 08:18 PM | ||
TC! I hear what you are saying and have a better understanding now. As a Christian, we have to be very careful what we get ourselves into and practice, no less. I have never had chakras or chi's done one me. I am very careful about that sort of stuff and what I get myself into. But I have had non-Christian reflexologists, massage therapists and chiropractors and physicians work on my back and make me feel lots better. I just don't think we Christians need to put ourselves in a box and see only Christian therapists.............maybe healers is the wrong word here that I have used all along.............therapists is what I am trying to say! I feel that no one can heal me but my Jesus. I think I have expressed this all wrong. Sorry, I am not the most articulate person on the planet. |
| Posted by: Tassiecelt 25-Sep-2004, 08:21 PM | ||
Spot on my brother, I agree. The mention of chakras was a red light to me, funny thing Celticrose, we were just discussing these matters and the issue has come up for me! I guess you both have confirmed the concerns i had, it's nice to bounce things off others. That's what church and fellowship are for  |
| Posted by: WizardofOwls 25-Sep-2004, 08:22 PM | ||
I didn't mean to imply that a non-Christian couldn't be a doctor!  Of course they can! The type of healing that I was referring to was that of a spiritual or supernatural nature. And as for my "wisdom," thank you for the compliment, but I am not wise. Just a plain old country boy who is leery of anything that even hints of the supernatural. |
| Posted by: Tassiecelt 25-Sep-2004, 08:23 PM | ||
You're doing wonderfully, the fault was mine.  |
| Posted by: Tassiecelt 25-Sep-2004, 08:25 PM | ||
Understood, I didn't get that from what you said. How words are so inadequate sometimes  I struggle with them to express things too. |
| Posted by: CelticRose 25-Sep-2004, 09:47 PM |
| The written word on the internet can be a difficult thing, especially for me as I am not the most articulate person. what I was trying to express is that non-Christian practioners have make me feel a whole lot better than any MD has concerning my back. I don't rule out a lot of things such as Shaitsu, reflexology, chiropractory and homeopathic physicians. But I do rule out any non-Christian trying to do a healing spiritual ceremoney on me such as laying hands on me and praying. I draw the line there..........only because I feel the only person who can heal me is Jesus. May sound narrow minded to some, but that is how I feel and what I have experienced in my life as well. |
| Posted by: Tassiecelt 26-Sep-2004, 01:24 AM | ||
| Boy that is really narrow minded Rose!! I'm narrow minded too....
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| Posted by: CelticRose 27-Sep-2004, 05:39 PM |
Hey! I have been accused of worse things!  |
| Posted by: Tassiecelt 27-Sep-2004, 05:46 PM |
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| Posted by: cori 29-Sep-2004, 12:16 PM |
| I know I am coming in a little late to this, but reading through the posts, I have to say I agree entirely with the concept of Christ as the only physician. The bible says that every good gift and every perfect gift cometh down from the Father of Lights. My interpretation of this is that God is the only One who gives good things. Other things may look good, but they do not come from God. (Boy, I don't know if I am making sense to anyone. You're right about written words.) |
| Posted by: CelticRose 29-Sep-2004, 01:15 PM |
| Cori, I understood you fine! I think I contradicted myself in the beginning of this conversation as I was saying one thing and meaning something else. I have had Shiatzu done and they use chakras and chi's to work on pressure points within my back and she had really helped me a lot. So that is what I meant by healing, but I will repeat myself and say I feel that the ultimate healer is Jesus, but that he uses different people to accomplish that task. Remember, the Apostles layed hands on the people to heal them............they may not have used Chinese medicine during that day, but today we have learned a lot of different ways about making one feel better and healing, but it all ultimately comes from Jesus for me! And the Elders of our church lay hands and pray over the sick asking for healing..............however, what is all boils down to is that it is all up to God as to who He decides He wants to heal or not. There is always a greater purpose that we may not always understand. Whew! I hope I made sense on that one! |
| Posted by: susieq76 29-Sep-2004, 03:52 PM |
| I think you are making perfect sense, CelticRose. It seemed to me to be an issue of semantics for a moment. You were speaking of medical healing from doctors, and WizardofOwls was speaking of (in the end) spiritual healing from doctors. At least, that's how it seemed to me. But you are making sense, all of you, don't worry! |
| Posted by: CelticRose 29-Sep-2004, 05:58 PM |
| Thanks SusieQ! I hope I made sense. |
| Posted by: cori 30-Sep-2004, 04:46 PM |
I don't really understand what "chakras" and "chi" are.  |
| Posted by: CelticRose 30-Sep-2004, 05:31 PM |
| I bet Tassiecelt could explain this better, but I will try too. http://www.crystalinks.com/chakras.html Chakras RED: Base: Kundalini: Root Chakra: Located at the base of the spine. Contains the primary 8 cells that have all of the knowledge of creation and remain the only cells in your body that do not change in your lifetime. It grounds us in the physical world. ORANGE: Spleen: Located just beneath the navel, and related to our sexual and reproductive capacity. Blockage manifests as emotional problems or sexual guilt. YELLOW: Solar Plexis: Seat of Emotions. Gives us a sense of personal power in the world. Blockage manifests as anger or a sense of victimization. GREEN: Heart Chakra: Blockage can manifest as immune system or heart problems, or a lack of compassion. BLUE: Throat: Tied to creativity and communication. Feels pressure when you are not communicating your emotions properly. INDIGO: Third Eye: Pineal Gland: Is a physical eye with the capabilities of looking upward. PURPLE: Crown: Connects you with message from higher realms. Can be experienced as a pressure on the top of the head. |
| Posted by: CelticRose 30-Sep-2004, 05:34 PM |
| This explains some of the chi! It is all basically part of Chinese medicine. Hope this helps! Like I said, Tassiecelt..............not to put pressure on him.............but I bet he could really explain it better to us all. But in the meantime, read for yourself. I hope these sites will help. http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Philosophy/Taichi/taoism.html |
| Posted by: Tassiecelt 30-Sep-2004, 05:43 PM |
| Oh the pressure!! I can't take it!! Look, I'm no expert now, but Rose has done a good job here, all i would say is that the represent the seven so-called physic centres of the body. There is no Biblical support for such a belief and so i believe this belongs in the New Age bag. The only 'Force" Christians need to be concerned about is that of God's Holy Spirit, as we battle the evil forces of the "Father of lies". Life is simple, beautiful and clear as a follower of the Lord Jesus! |
| Posted by: CelticRose 30-Sep-2004, 06:01 PM |
Thanks Graham! I tried to find something that would try to help others understand it all. I am still trying understand it all myself.  |
| Posted by: tsargent62 01-Oct-2004, 02:29 PM |
| Time for me to throw my hat into the ring and, please excuse the term, play devil's advocate. Please keep in mind that I am very much a Christian. I don't pretend to understand chakra's and chi all that Eastern medicine. But you're assuming that, since the Bible didn't mention it, it can not come from God and therefore is not of God. Is that necessarily true? If this Quantum Touch can heal people, what is its harm? The stories in the Bible take place all in the Middle East and was written by people who lived there. What of the people in the Far East? Can we assume God had no infuence on them at all? Just because they are Buddhists for the most part, does it follow that any medicines and techniques that they developed have to have come from the evil one? Could it not be possible that since the Word had not been spread to the East yet that, given the fact that God loves all his children, the He gave them ways of healing each other? Please don't read this as my believing in Quantum Touch. I am very skeptical of all of those things. But I have just enough of a scientific mind not to reject things like this outright. The church rejected Galieo's findings that the Earth revolved around the sun until long after his death. New things that we don't understand doesn't make them bad. Todd |
| Posted by: Elspeth 01-Oct-2004, 04:47 PM |
| Interesting discussion. I, as well, come from a scientific background and I have to wonder about some things. First, I want to make clear, I know nothing about Quantum touch or other things mentioned here, I just wonder. Is it possible these energy forces do exist? And if they do, they were put there by God. I see it as a possiblity that these places do exist on the body and that there are those who are skilled at addressing these areas in a thearupitic manner. Like massage or a choirpractor. Therefore releif (i.e. 'healing') can come from this type of therapy. However, I agree with the overall concepth here that those practicing this type of therapy cannot heal. That comes from God. Physicians do not heal, nor choiropractors, nor accupucturists, etc and etc. (I'm afraid to spell check this post )Therefore, I would be open to looking into something like this as a therapy. However, I wouldn't believe it if someone told me they could 'heal' me. Just as no reputible doctor would claim to be able to 'heal' me. Doctors can treat but they cannot heal. Did I ramble long enough? |
| Posted by: Shadows 01-Oct-2004, 04:52 PM | ||
AMEN!!!! |
| Posted by: Tassiecelt 02-Oct-2004, 03:26 AM |
| Todd, you raise some valid questions, I guess each one of us must be "fully pursuaded in (our) own minds". The Bible is clear that we should not "learn the way of the heathen" Jerim. 10:2 True healing is of God, I believe, I also believe that satan can heal (altho' it is not usually permanent). The issue for me is 'who gets the glory'? The example of Jesus was clear, that we should give thanks to the Living and True God for healing. Do the healing methods pagan organisations give such glory to God, or to Man? Are the healing methods valid? I see a difference between (for example) an Asian doctor (of which we have many here) sewing up a laceration on my arm, and a Hindu, Buddhist, pagan, witch or other occultist laying hands on me, waving a candle around and mumbling incantations - even if I do feel better after it. I'm using extreme examples to illustrate. I guess I'm asking more question than providing answers, but the Bible is full of warnings against False Christs, false teachers and sorcery, such as the story in Act 13 about Elymas the sorcerer. He was seeking to turn some away from Christ. So I came back to what is my "yardstick", is "spiritual healing" (as apposed to purely physical healing) leading one TO Christ, or AWAY. For the Christian, this must surely be a consideration. |
| Posted by: WizardofOwls 02-Oct-2004, 07:22 AM |
| Thank you, Graham, for once again being a light in the darkness! I agree with you 100%! I cringe at the thoughts of healings (here I am refering to the supernatural and metaphysical, not medicine) that don't involve the True and Living God!!! This chakra and chi stuff makes it look as though it's possible to get your healing without God's involvement! I mean, hey, if I can get healed without God why even bother with church and everything anyway! (I am speaking sarcastically of course!) IMHO, if God had creted chakras and chi, for healing or any other purpose, I believe that He would have gone into detail about them in His word, not leaving something that important for us to just discover on our own! |
| Posted by: gaberlunzie 02-Oct-2004, 11:27 AM |
| I have to say some words now. Personally I share Todd's point of view...but I highly respect your strong faith and conviction that all healing comes from God... What makes me feeling very uncomfortable with is the expression "chakra and chi stuff", especially "stuff"...it just sounds way too respectless for me. I don't want to offend anyone, this is not my intention at all, but if no tolerance is possible I would suggest to have respect for this "stuff" or your fellow men who do have the same strong belief in this way. There are many roads people are walking in life and only because they are not walking my road imitating my footsteps doesn't mean they've gotten lost. This is not meant to discuss belief or beliefs...only to ask you not to use words or expressions which might hurt your fellow man in a way. |
| Posted by: urian 02-Oct-2004, 01:23 PM | ||
*nods in agreement* |
| Posted by: birddog20002001 02-Oct-2004, 01:37 PM | ||
I still say that this method of healing is just the manipulation of the physical with NO emphasis at all on the spiritual. Chakra and Chi are just aboriginal words that have had no western equivalent so the native words were adopted into the English language. The Bible makes no mention of physics but the laws of gravity do still apply weather we believe in them or not. My opinion is that because eastern style medicine is new to western culture there is a prejudice to automatically dismiss it as quackery prematurely. |
| Posted by: Tassiecelt 02-Oct-2004, 04:02 PM | ||
I'm sorry that you feel uncomfortable. I can relate to that, I feel the same way when I visit forums that discuss witchcraft and occult practices that are anathema to the Lord Jesus Christ, and those who serve Him. But we must all choose to believe what we will. Christians have an expression: "condemn the sin, but not the sinner". So to oppose the darkness of spiritual ignorance is what we are commanded to do, but also to love those who are lost in such darkness and lead (if possible) them to the light of God. So if saying "chakra and chi stuff" is disrespectful, it is to the concept and belief not the individual. I hope this difference is clear. |
| Posted by: gaberlunzie 02-Oct-2004, 04:25 PM |
| Tassiecelt, I see your point and the difference is clear, absolutely. It's still the choice of the word "stuff"...though it's clear that the concept or belief is meant. I would never call anyone's belief or concept "stuff"...Not trying to exercise hair - splitting here but if it had been called a concept instead of stuff it would have made a great difference. |
| Posted by: cori 03-Oct-2004, 02:31 PM |
| I understand now what "chakras" and "chi" are. I suppose that it is just another form of "modern" medicine. I don't wish to appear scornful of other people's beliefs, but I have always been wary of that with which I am not familiar. My mother always told me that "what you understand too well, you are in danger of becoming." I have often thought of this and see it in two lights. First, be careful not to be too wise to the ways of satan. The more you look into wickedness, the closer you are to accepting it. Secondly, and I believe most importantly, be careful to understand the ways of Christ and his commands. The more you learn of righteousness, the closer you are to manifesting it. I had only this to add and now I will have no more to offer, simply because I do not think I have anything more worth saying. I hope I have not offended anyone. I don't know how to write down my tone of voice and can only hope that you will take this the way I intend it, namely, as an encouragement, not condemnation. |
| Posted by: Tassiecelt 03-Oct-2004, 04:34 PM | ||
| gaberlunzie, words are funny things, I guess they suffer from fashions. "stuff" is common these days, I like it, I keep all my important files in a folder called "My Stuff". So if someone asked me if I was "..into all that Christian stuff", I would just smile and say "Amen". but that's just me
I disagree Cori, from the wisdom of your words I would say you have a lot of worthwhile things to say. Thank you for your input. While I accept your caution, I do still occasionally read occult material, not much, but I like to "keep my hand in" so that when I share Christ with those still into occult beliefs, I can know what I'm talking about. For me there is no danger of returning, Christ has set me free in a way no one else can, I would be a fool to go back to ungodliness. |
| Posted by: WizardofOwls 03-Oct-2004, 04:41 PM |
| I am sorry if the word "stuff" offended you. It was not meant to be offensive in any way, just my own easy and quick way of saying "and related things." I would not be offended in any way if a non-Christian referred to Christian-related terms and concepts and items as "Christian stuff!" I mean, shucks, I have a whole cabinet (and brain for that matter!) full of Christian stuff! I guess I assumed that because this is the Kirk and Chapel that most of us, as Christians, shared the same fundamental beliefs. I know, pretty naieve of me! I truly am sorry, Gabi! I hope you'll forgive me! |
| Posted by: Elspeth 04-Oct-2004, 08:00 AM |
| Getting a little heated in here. First, as moderator, I want to reemphasis that this is a place for Christians to share in a kind, safe place. Sometimes hard when strong beliefs are being discussed. Thank you all for remembering that. Second, I have to chime in my personal beliefs. Christianity isn't cut and dried. Sure we all believe the same basics, and when we hold to those convictions, we rarely disagree. When we go off of them, we do. Hence why there are so many denominations. I was baptised as an adult, my children as infants. Both schools of thought use biblical reference to uphold their practices. I mention this to highlight we will not always agree. And, words are funny things. We may know what we mean by them, but too often that meaning doesn't translate to the reader. Hence, we often are not discussing the same thing. It takes work to discuss in this manner. Again, thank you all for taking the time and effort to do so. As far as Quantum Touch is concered, I don't know enough to have an opinion in all honesty. But, I also know God is way too big to be put into a box of our understanding. God's plans and designs are His own. For example, if He has come for centuries to the Native Americans as their Creator, who am I to say He didn't? When in doubt, I don't immediately dismiss, I look at what is claimed. If it does not go against what God says in the Bible, then perhaps it is true. Just because it is different doesn't mean it is a false prophet. I will share that I went to a tribal gathering last year, and in their opening honoring of the Creator, I felt more in the presence of God than I do in my own church. God was there, I recognized Him. All this is a rather winded way of saying, I like to keep an open mind, for God is HUGE. Vast beyond all understanding. Look at the facts, the purpose, the intent, the fruits, who is getting the glory and lastly (which should be firstly) ask God to tell us. (Why do I always take that step last, like reading instructions only after I can't put it together?) God will tell us. "Lean not to your own understanding." Whew, lots of rambling and I'm not sure a clear point to be found..... |
| Posted by: Tassiecelt 04-Oct-2004, 08:15 AM |
| Lovely to hear your ramblings Elspeth, isn't God wonderful? and what a lovely place to rejoice in Him with brethren who also have a love of celtic stuff (oops). I began this with a genuine question that I wanted help on from brethren i have come to respect. I feel I have had my concerns confirmed, and that is the role of the church - to support and encourage one another. there are some fine people here! |
| Posted by: Elspeth 04-Oct-2004, 08:25 AM |
| Tassiecelt, Yes, God is wonderful. I needed reminding of that. I had been forgetting. I am glad you came here to talk out something that was concerning you. That is exactly what this place is for. And you are so right. There are many, many fine people here. It amazes me how caring people here at CR are. As a minster, you are in a different position than the rest of us. We only have to account for ourselves. You are asked to lead a congreagation. A great responsiblity. God's blessings as you tackle that task. |
| Posted by: Tassiecelt 04-Oct-2004, 08:46 AM |
| a small congregation, but precious! bless you Elspeth! |
| Posted by: Tassiecelt 04-Oct-2004, 08:47 AM |
| a small congregation, but precious! bless you Elspeth! |
| Posted by: cori 08-Oct-2004, 02:10 PM | ||
Thanks, Tassie. This thread has encouraged me to do some research and I found that many of our "modern" medicines were actually discovered long before some people realize. For instance, the "Black Death" that swept Rome in the 3rd century, Europe in the 14th century and India in the early 1900's, could have been prevented. It's cause was known three thousand years before Christ. Smallpox, which killed millions of Americans, could also have been prevented. A vaccine similar to the one developed by Edward Jenner in 1796 was used by the Chinese long before his rediscovery of it. An effective treatment for asthma and allergies was commonly used two thousand years before Christ. Quinine was prescribed for malaria. Anesthesia was used during surgery; cataracts were successfully removed; antiseptic soap was manufactured and distributed; and the mosquito was identified as the carrier of yellow fever. When the Greeks separated themselves from established medical treatment, they wiped out an immense knowledge of more than 1,200 healing herbs and invalidated advanced techniques of preventative medicine, hygiene, and nutrition. The pursuit of "scientific knowledge" turned int o a fued between doctors which delayed the rediscovery of lost medical principles for hundreds of years. Anyway, this is just some of the stuff I found out. I'm not saying that everything "new" should be accepted. I'm not saying everything ought to be thrown out. I say people need to look into these things. Check it out. See what they're about and see if it is as straight as the plumbline of Scripture. |
| Posted by: Tassiecelt 11-Oct-2004, 07:54 AM | ||
Good term to use, that's just what it is, and where would we be without such a guide? left to our own judgements, heaven forbid!! |
| Posted by: dragonboy3611 06-Nov-2004, 05:03 PM |
| Why not! There are never any "boundries" in beliefs! |
| Posted by: cori 09-Nov-2004, 11:26 AM | ||
Not in beliefs perhaps, but in truth. Columbus believed that the earth was round. Everyone else at the time believed it was flat. No matter what you believe, it doesn't change what is true. So there may not be any boundaries in beliefs at all. But there are definitely boundaries in truth. |
| Posted by: maryellen 13-Nov-2004, 06:50 PM |
| Actually the Flat Earth/Columbus myth is a falsehood thanks in part to school "education". People of that century were not as ignorant as we think. Most people of the time of Columbus and before did believe the Earth was round. This is evident in the Catholic Church's declaration of a round earth before Columbus time. In addition, sailors knew the earth was round because ships went below the horizon hull first, the sails. Also, the earth casted a round shadow on the moon. I looked at the website on the Quantum Touch. Some of the pictures are icky!  |