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Posted on 26-Jan-2004, 06:15 AM
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QUOTE (andylucy @ Jan 26 2004, 04:01 AM)
Well, not just Catholicism, but that is a BIG part of it. biggrin.gif But, hey, if we all agreed all the time, how boring would it be?

Catholics though are but only one relgion and they don't make religious rules or laws (not sure what to consider them) that cover everyone they cover just Catholics. I mean if they want to say that the use of the word marriage is for religious us only that's fine but that covers just catholics. It's like the US can't write laws that govern the UK or Japan or any other country cause it's outside it's jurisdiction.

That's why I am so set in my thinking on the word marriage cause as an atheist I could really care less what religion thinks wink.gif
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Posted on 26-Jan-2004, 06:22 AM
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QUOTE (scottish2 @ Jan 26 2004, 07:15 AM)
That's why I am so set in my thinking on the word marriage cause as an atheist I could really care less what religion thinks wink.gif

Yea, but do you care what the People think? unsure.gif


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Posted on 26-Jan-2004, 06:25 AM
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QUOTE (scottish2 @ Jan 26 2004, 06:15 AM)
Catholics though are but only one relgion


Yep. That's right. Of course, I feel it to be the most correct one, else I wouldn't have become Catholic. But to each his own.

QUOTE (scottish2 @ Jan 26 2004, 06:15 AM)
That's why I am so set in my thinking on the word marriage cause as an atheist I could really care less what religion thinks wink.gif


And as a Catholic, an atheistic opinion has no effect whatsoever on my mindset (especially on what I feel to be a matter of faith and morals), and probably never will. (Although there is always that outside chance biggrin.gif ) To each his own.

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QUOTE (Richard Bercot @ Jan 26 2004, 07:22 AM)
Yea, but do you care what the People think? unsure.gif

As it pertains to religion no I really don't cause I am not religious and have no interest in what the catholic church teaches or thinks on this matter.
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Posted on 26-Jan-2004, 06:37 AM
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QUOTE (andylucy Posted on Jan 26 2004 @ 07:25 AM )
Yep. That's right. Of course, I feel it to be the most correct one, else I wouldn't have become Catholic. But to each his own.


And that's your right to believe as you want.

QUOTE (andylucy Posted on Jan 26 2004 @ 07:25 AM )
And as a Catholic, an atheistic opinion has no effect whatsoever on my mindset (especially on what I feel to be a matter of faith and morals), and probably never will. (Although there is always that outside chance  ) To each his own.


Which is what I have been saying. See As an atheist I could careless really what the Catholic or Baptist or other churches think on the word Marriage cause I don't follow their religion and don't follow with their beliefs. So since I don't care about what a specific religion has to say no religion can say I can't use something when I could careless what they think in the first place. They don't have religious jurisdiction over my non catholic butt. They don't have a right to tell me what I can or can't use.
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Posted on 26-Jan-2004, 06:39 AM
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What ever happened to the old rule that the majority rules and not the minority? unsure.gif
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Posted on 26-Jan-2004, 06:42 AM
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Oh, and by the way, I am not Catholic, heck I am not even a Christian. But the last I knew, Majority Rules.
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QUOTE (scottish2 @ Jan 26 2004, 06:32 AM)
As it pertains to religion no I really don't cause I am not religious and have no interest in what the catholic church teaches or thinks on this matter.

But it doesn't just pertain to religion with some of us. My political philosophy is defined by my faith. I cannot split the two, and wouldn't if I could. It is just depressing to people of faith to be told that our opinions are valueless because we base them on something that others deem to be trivial. sad.gif

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In this matter Majority rule is wrong because religious folk can't force their views onto others, it's called freedom of religion and in some case freedom from religion if the persons atheist. wink.gif
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Posted on 26-Jan-2004, 06:44 AM
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QUOTE (andylucy @ Jan 26 2004, 07:42 AM)
But it doesn't just pertain to religion with some of us. My political philosophy is defined by my faith. I cannot split the two, and wouldn't if I could. It is just depressing to people of faith to be told that our opinions are valueless because we base them on something that others deem to be trivial. sad.gif

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Andy, I agree full heartily. thumbs_up.gif
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QUOTE (andylucy @ Jan 26 2004, 07:42 AM)
But it doesn't just pertain to religion with some of us. My political philosophy is defined by my faith. I cannot split the two, and wouldn't if I could. It is just depressing to people of faith to be told that our opinions are valueless because we base them on something that others deem to be trivial. sad.gif

Just my tuppence.

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But see you don't have a right to push your religious views legally because then it would be infringing on my religious views that is why we have a separation of church and state to prevent one religion from pushing laws that say for instance that everyone much be catholic cause that would interfere with my right to chose my own religion or lack there of.
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QUOTE (scottish2 @ Jan 26 2004, 07:42 AM)
In this matter Majority rule is wrong because religious folk can't force their views onto others, it's called freedom of religion and in some case freedom from religion if the persons atheist. wink.gif

So let me get this straight. If 20 people say that they want to play Baseball and you want to play Football. Then we all play Football because someone may be Catholic or any other Religion? unsure.gif

What has that got to do with the price of Tea in China?
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Posted on 26-Jan-2004, 06:55 AM
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No the 20 people play baseball and one plays football wink.gif unl;ess maybe 21 decide instead to play basketball but we aren't talking fun and games here we're talking one group trying to dictate how others live their own personal lives. If I was gay it's none of the catholic churchs business what I call my relationship with my partner (IF I WAS GAY I AM NOT for example only) They can believe as they want but they don't have a right to force their views onto me or anyone else otherwise they are trambling my right to believe as I do. If I am not Catholic I could careless what the Catholic church thinks of this mater cause I don't share their beliefs neccessarily.
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Posted on 26-Jan-2004, 07:03 AM
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This is why we have so many of these Stupid Laws. All in the name of "Well Someone Stepped on My Foot."

I can care less if someone is gay or not. I just do not like being told that I have to accept it. mad.gif

I know that this subject is about Marriage, but you do not like being told to accept your way of thinking any more than you like anyone else telling you to accept their way of thinking.
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Posted on 26-Jan-2004, 07:09 AM
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Never said you had to accept it but why should the Gay aethist couple be forced to accept the churches views as well? It's a 2 way street.
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