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Sorry if I sound out of sync with the way the current topic is going.

Is Islamic Terrorism World War 3?

I don't think it is WW3 just yet. But I honestly believe that we are entering a very dangerous period in humanity - speaking of course over the next 5, 10, 25 years. Unless the world can stop these savages from gaining a foothold turning countries into radical islamic states - we could face a WWIII down the road.

These islamic terrorists have no respect for life. For example, the old gray haired teacher that in the Russian school pleaded for mercy "Show a little mercy" was immediately shot in the head. Shooting helpless children and woman in the back? And videoing taping it because they know it will be showed around the world.

These terrorists are brought up from birth to hate and are brainwashed in a cultish setting, hour afer hour, day after day, repeating in their religoious chants to kill the infidels. How else could they get these individuals to blow themselves up. They pray on their own people, looking for the weak ones, that will carry out their deeds.

In alot of ways I see the current world events much like the movie "Lord of the Rings". It is a good vs. evil and there is nothing more that could describe it.

This is not about invasive U.S. policy, nor about Iraq or Afganistan or Sudan. It's about power and the hunger and greed for the ultimate power. To control a nation, to control people, at any cost does this thirst grows each and every day. Whether it is from Iran, North Korea or from some Jungle in a drug lords domain in South America. The western world has long shed its desire to expand their individual borders - there is no reason why the world should look on and let poverty, murders, rapes, forced slavery continue in this day in age.

But, the reason they continue is because the western world is divided. Canadian teenagers hate Americans by an overwhelming %, Americans want to boycott the french and make fun at their culture - the very nation who without their help we would not have been a nation at all (Lafayette is turning in his grave!). And equally France has no interest in helping an old Allie out - one that helped in the restoration of their country. There is so much finger pointing, blaming, positioning by nations and politicians it makes my stomach sick. Meanwhile, the dark forces will grow stronger and smarter and if we are not careful they could be at our doorsteps someday.

I really believe that as a culture, "United we Stand, divide we fall" is very true for the current state of affairs throughout the Western World.

Ok, my two cents. I don't get a chance very often to write on like this, so I'd like to thank the members of this forum for keeping it hot and interesting in here! thumbs_up.gif


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QUOTE (Macfive @ 10-Sep-2004, 10:31 PM)

I'd like to thank the members of this forum for keeping it hot and interesting in here!


If only my wife would complement me on "keeping it hot and interesting". sad.gif

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In the name of Allah, Muslim terrorists in Russia stabbed babies to death, shot toddlers in the back, forced children to eat rose petals and drink their own urine, raped teenage girls, executed their teachers and blew themselves up in a crowded school gymnasium. Death toll: 339.

In the name of Allah, Muslim terrorists in Spain detonated bombs on four commuter trains during Madrid's rush hour. Death toll: 190.

In the name of Allah, Muslim terrorists in Bali blew up a beach resort with an electronically triggered bomb at one bar and a car bomb hidden in a van at another nightclub filled with young Western tourists on holiday. Death toll: 202.

In the name of Allah, Muslim terrorists in Pakistan kidnapped and beheaded American journalist Daniel Pearl.

In the name of Allah, Muslim terrorists in Saudi Arabia kidnapped and beheaded American engineer Paul Johnson.

In the name of Allah, Muslim terrorists in Iraq kidnapped and beheaded American independent contractor Nick Berg.

In the name of Allah, Muslim terrorists in Iraq kidnapped and executed Italian security guard Fabrizio Quattrocchi.

In the name of Allah, Muslim terrorists in the Philippines kidnapped and killed American missionary Martin Burnham.

In the name of Allah, Muslim terrorists in Israel engineered near-simultaneous suicide attacks on two buses, killing at least 15 people.

In the name of Allah, Muslim terrorists in Morocco waged suicide bombing attacks in Casablanca.

In the name of Allah, Muslim terrorists in Turkey bombed synagogues and the British consulate.

In the name of Allah, Muslim terrorists in America hijacked and incinerated three planes full of men, women and children, trapped pregnant women and firefighters in smoke-filled stairways, and forced office workers to leap 99 stories to their deaths after saying final prayers from the ledges of the World Trade Center on a peaceful September morning. Death toll: 3,000.

Does anyone see a pattern here? It's not no-name militants, wayward guerrillas, or freedom fighters who have butchered, beheaded and slaughtered thousands of innocents over the last three years alone.

It is my humble opinion that a very dangerous period in humanity has already been entered. To deny such is to deny recent history.

Like old times, the grand, anti-fascist coalition of World War II is now falling into place. First, it was America alone. Then Great Britain threw in. Now, here comes Russia.

Stalin made the mistake of cooperating with fascism in 1939 by signing a nonaggression pact with Hitler and woke up two years later with the German Army marching through Russia. I doubt Putin will make the same mistake with the Islamist Army.

France, far from being an Allied power in WWII, was then, as they are now, a servile nonentity. Islam will soon overtake that country with impunity just as the Germans did 60 years ago.

"We have to admit that we showed no understanding of the danger occurring in our own country and the world," Putin told Russians after the massacre. Gen. Yuri Baluyevsky, chief of the general staff, promised to "liquidate" the terrorists "in any region of the world." Attacking the children of Beslan was a terrible mistake, akin to Hitler's invasion of Russia.

A few days after Beslan, Putin sent Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov to Jerusalem. Lavrov talked with Prime Minister Ariel Sharon about strategic cooperation in what the Russian called "the worldwide struggle."

What? The Russians cooperating with Israel? "Worldwide struggle"?

Israel was a destination for Russian officials because in this war, as in WWII, Jew-hatred is the emotional epicenter of the fascist, world-domination movement. As a result, publicly embracing Israel is a symbolic declaration of independence from the orbit of Islamic imperialism. All the various wordings of the jihad declarations include some reference to a fight to the death against all Jews and anyone that befriends them.

The Big Three have reasons to hang together. Russia will not soon forgive the massacre of its children, and Putin, if he wants to remain a credible leader, must turn his words into warfare. Great Britain, so far unattacked, remains committed to the Anglo-American special relationship. And the U.S. will fight until the threats and the ghosts of 9/11 are vanquished. The American public won't accept any less.

Except for the euro-styled liberals that still dream of a one-world, one-government utopia where all the world lives in one happy commune.


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Don't you just love Kofi Annan, the United Nations, and their relevance in today's world? How could the world survive without the UN?

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And for today's More Of The Same: American civilian Eugene Armstrong was beheaded in Iraq by terrorists associated with Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. "We will apply God's law on them," a masked man said just before the killing. The video was posted on a Web site that has been used by insurgents in the past.

Armstrong, along with American Jack Hensley and British citizen Kenneth John Bigley, were kidnapped from their residence Thursday. All three worked for Gulf Supplies and Commercial Services, a company based in the Middle East, on reconstruction projects.

Is anyone becomming fed up with Islamic terrorists?
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The Islamic radicals continue to amaze me. How is it that people still see them as 'freedom fighters'?

Do you remember that Mosque in Najaf where Moqtada al-Sadr was holed up for weeks? Al-Sadr's people were firing mortars at American troops from inside that Mosque, but American troops showed restraint and never stormed the place. Finally Shiite cleric Ali al-Sistani, the most powerful Muslim cleric in Iraq, told al Sadr to clear out.

Now we have learned while al-Sadr was hiding in his Mosque his "freedom fighters" were quite busy. Their assignment was to kidnap dozens of women and children and bring them into the Mosque. There they would be murdered. I think it's possibly safe to say that many of the women were possibly raped before, maybe after, they were murdered. When al-Sistani ordered them out, Al Sadr and his gang of murderers left the bodies of the women and children inside the Mosque.

So what was the purpose? The Islamic killers fully expected American troops to storm the Mosque to get to them. When that happened, and after the smoke cleared, the innocent and peace-loving followers of Al Sadr would be able to show the bodies of innocent women and children who were killed in the brutal U.S. assault on this place of holy worship.

Never forget, especially now, the brutal, murderous nature of the Islamic killers. They will murder their own sisters, mothers, sons and daughters if they think that they will then be able to use the western media to blame the deaths on American soldiers. And when the time comes, the Western media will be all-too-eager to relate the story just exactly the way al-Sadr wanted them to. The American media is no less guilty of promoting Islamic terrorism than are the ones actually carrying guns.
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The Netherlands has long been Europe's most permissive society ? everything from window-shopping in Amsterdam for scantily clad hookers (50 to 80 Euros for 15 to 30 minutes) to hashish aroma in marijuana smoke-filled cafes. The government and the sex workers union protect some 30,000 women. The pimps are landlords and the aging prostitutes are quickly replaced with a steady influx from the former Soviet republics and East European countries.

It was such Dutch tolerance, pragmatism and guilt about the country's colonial past that allowed hundreds of thousands of immigrants from Muslim Indonesia (a Dutch colony from the 17th century until World War II) to flood into tiny Holland. Today, Muslims are a majority among children under 14 in the Netherlands' four largest cities.

There are 1 million Muslims (6 percent of the population) now living in Europe's most crowded small country. Some 30,000 new Muslims arrive every year. They tend to live among themselves, with their own schools, mosques and restaurants. Most are horrified by what they view as sacrilegious in their own religion. Their imams speak no Dutch and know nothing of the Netherlands' history and culture.

Western Europe as a whole gets about half a million new Muslims a year. Most make their way from sub-Sahara Africa and North Africa, illegal immigrants smuggled by boat to Spain and Italy where they are free to travel with impunity to the rest of Europe. Thus, Europe's Muslim population has doubled to 20 million in the last 10 years.

What Dutch filmmaker and columnist Theo Van Gogh saw as the shabby treatment of females throughout the Muslim community led him to produce documentaries that portrayed Muslim men as tormentors of women, especially their wives. One recent scathingly critical Van Gogh film's carried the message that Islam promotes violence against women. Last week, Van Gogh, a grandnephew of the painter, was shot as he cycled to work. He managed to get up and stagger across the street to his building where he collapsed. The assailant followed him and slit his throat before pinning to his chest with a knife a five-page manifesto that called on Muslims to rise against the "infidel enemies" in the West.

Several were arrested, including the prime suspect, a Muhammad Bouyeri, a 26-year-old Dutch Moroccan, who was charged with murder and suspected links to an al Qaeda group.

Tit-for-tat terrorism quickly followed Van Gogh's assassination in widely scattered parts of the otherwise peaceful Netherlands. An arson attack against a Muslim school was followed in the same village of Uden by a Muslim attack against a primary school that was set ablaze and completely gutted. Then a small bomb damaged a Muslim school in Eindhoven. A score of mosques and churches were targeted by arson attacks in one week. Two young men were also arrested for putting a video on the Internet that promised 72 virgins in paradise for the "beheading" of Geert Wilders, a popular right-wing politician who decries the dangers of radical Islam. Two years ago, Pim Fortuyn, a populist politician who called for a halt to immigration, by simply saying the Netherlands was "full," was similarly gunned down.

Could the Netherlands be a curtain-raiser for a wider clash of civilizations in the old Continent? Hundreds of thousands of young Muslims in Europe are potential jihadis, according to European intelligence chiefs speaking not for publication. They have been warning their political masters about the tinderboxes that many Muslim communities have become. Jihadi volunteers are known to have left for Iraq from a number of Muslim slums on the outskirts of major European cities. Recruitment posters come on regular European and Arabic news programs.

Yes, the Koran does not accept infidels. You either convert, or you die. There is no allowance for co-existance. Read the Koran for yourself and see.

The Koran cannot live in a vacuum. It's borders must extend to the ends of the earth. It is no different from Communism in the 1950's or Nazism in the 1930's. When it knocks on your door, what will you say?

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The Bush Mafia's illegal invasion of Iraq is indeed fueling hatred of the US. Isn't he just the clever one: If we don't have enemies, create them.

If we REALLY want to strike a blow against the Muslim (and Christian) extremists, pump the money being flushed down the toilet in Iraq into developing alternative energy technology. Make the demand for oil drop by 90%. Then they won't have the FUNDING to war against us. But wait!! Bush's corporate masters have been suppressing the alternate energy technologies for the last 50 years. They would NEVER allow Georgie to support such an progressive idea. rolleyes.gif


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Funding alternative energy technology will save the Netherlands from potential jihadis?

Christian extremists grab civilians off the street and videotape their beheadings?

These anumals' survival depends on liberal apologists, not Bush's 'corporate masters'. The middle east butchers get more vaildity from American movies calling them 'freedom fighters' than from oil company profits.

One of the worst butchers of the last 50 years was Yasser Arafat. Several French municipalities governed by communist and left-wing majorities are considering naming a street or a square after Yasser Arafat. Are the socialist and left-wing minorities in the US going to do the same to their 'heroes'?

The terrorist's power doesn't come from raw dollars - it comes from acceptance, tolerance, vaildity, and apoligies by the left. Thanks for your support.

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QUOTE (Shamalama @ 15-Nov-2004, 11:42 AM)
Funding alternative energy technology will save the Netherlands from potential jihadis?

Christian extremists grab civilians off the street and videotape their beheadings?

These anumals' survival depends on liberal apologists, not Bush's 'corporate masters'.  The middle east butchers get more vaildity from American movies calling them 'freedom fighters' than from oil company profits.

One of the worst butchers of the last 50 years was Yasser Arafat.  Several French municipalities governed by communist and left-wing majorities are considering naming a street or a square after Yasser Arafat.   Are the socialist and left-wing minorities in the US going to do the same to their 'heroes'?

The terrorist's power doesn't come from raw dollars - it comes from acceptance, tolerance, vaildity, and apoligies by the left.  Thanks for your support.

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The terrorists are a product of "ugly westerners", particularly Americans. The Bush Administration has furthered the cause of world terrorism immensely with it's arrogant, cowboy attitudes.
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The terrorists are NOT a product of "ugly westerners". They are a product of a religion that has, at it's core, the belief that all infidels not converted to Islam are subject to death. They are a product of a religion that has, at it's core, a non-acceptance of the idea of co-existence. The older Muhammad was, the stronger the language of the Koran was. There is absolutely no compromise in Islam, and I believe Islam is the only religion to take such a hard stance.

The worst that can happen when you meet a Southern Baptist is that he thumps you on the head with his bible. In Islam you have to worry if your head is about to come off.

Don't take my word for it. Study the Koran (as I am doing now) and see if you can find the concept of co-existence. You either convert, or you die. The entirety of the Koran is based around war.

As for "arrogant" or "cowboy", as I see it you either appease and become a subject, or you take a stand and fight. It's the same scenario the world faced with 1930's Germany and 1950's USSR. And the same people are willing to fall on their knees as before, and it's the same people that will do all the fighting and protecting the world. Things never change because people never learn from history. Most people's view of history is whatever happened in the last 10 years and nothing more.

Russia and the Netherlands are learning.

France never will. France doesn't oppose Islamic terrorism. France misses their hero Yasser. France misses their Sugar Daddy Saddam. I hope the US remember's France's 'cooperation' the next time they need somebody to save their bacon . . . and that day will come, probably in our lifetime.

We are at war with a fascistic totalitarian ideology. The weapons are different, but we are in a war to the finish as we were then, and there doesn't seem to be that sense among many, particularly among the Liberals (the same as it was back in the 1930-40's).

We do have a grave problem in this country, but it is not the plan for Iraq, the neoconservatives, or targeting Saddam. This present generation of leaders at home, as well as a huge number of registered voters, would never have made it to Normandy Beach. They would instead have called off the advance to hold hearings on Pearl Harbor, cast around blame for the Japanese internment, sued over the light armor and guns of Sherman tanks, apologized for bombing German civilians, and recalled General Eisenhower to Washington to explain the rough treatment of Axis prisoners.
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QUOTE (maisky @ 16-Nov-2004, 07:51 AM)
The terrorists are a product of "ugly westerners", particularly Americans. The Bush Administration has furthered the cause of world terrorism immensely with it's arrogant, cowboy attitudes.

I guess that explains why the Dutch are about to throw almost 30,000 Muslims out of Holland and tell any others that are thinking about migrating there to forget that idea!


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You probably won't hear this on ABC-CBS-NBC-CNN:

If you visit the USA Today website you will be treated to a flash presentation of several pictures taken during the siege of Fallujah. Picture number two in this presentation shows 40 vials in boxes labeled "Sarin." Sarin gas. One drop of this stuff on your skin can kill you. The boxes have Cyrillic and German characters on them. The caption under the photo reads "Marines discovered 40 vials of suspected Sarin gas while searching a house in Fallujah, Iraq. It was secreted in a briefcase hidden in a truck in the courtyard of the house."

Weapons of mass destruction. Chemical weapons. This Sarin gas could, with an effective application, kill thousands. And where do they find it? In a briefcase! A briefcase in a car trunk. And you wonder why our troops have had some difficulty finding Saddam's weapons? You still think inspections could have worked?

While further analysis determined the find was probably part of a Soviet test kit with samples, the discovery of the deadly nerve gas in a room with mortar shells appeared to indicate an intent to weaponize the material.

Remember: according to Michael Moore these are just freedom fighters. Yeah.


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"In reality Islam is a revolutionary ideology and programme which seeks to alter the social order of the whole world and rebuild it in conformity with its own tenets and ideals. 'Muslim' is the title of that International Revolutionary Party organized by Islam to carry into effect its revolutionary programme. And 'Jihad' refers to that revolutionary struggle and utmost exertion which the Islamic Party brings into play to acheive this objective. Islam wishes to destroy all States and Governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and programme of Islam regardless of the country or the Nation which rules it. The purpose of Islam is to set up a State on the basis of its own ideology and programme, regardless of which Nation assumes the role of the standard bearer of Islam or the rule of which nation is undermined in the process of the establishment of an ideological Islamic State." - Sayeed Abdul A'la Maududi, Jihad in Islam

"Allah revealed Islam in order that humanity could be governed according to it. Unbelief is darkness and disorder. So the unbelievers, if they are not suppressed, create disorder. That is why the Muslims are responsible for the implementation of Allah's Law on the planet, that humanity may be governed by it, as opposed to corrupt man-made laws. The Muslims must make all efforts to establish the religion of Allah on the earth." - Muhammad 'Abdus Salam Faraj, Jihad: The Absent Obligation

"Whoever says that Islam is free from terrorism or wants to differentiate between Islam and terrorism is committing Al Juhoud and that is Kufr Akbar ? and will take them out of the fold of Islam. The one who says ?we should fight against terrorism?, he is fighting against Islam. We know very well that USA meant no one else by the term ?terrorists? but Islam and Muslims and the one who wants to avoid terrorism is avoiding Islam." - Al Muhajiroun (Bakir School of Thought)

The more I watch, the more I hear, the more I truly am losing my tolerance of this so-called religion of peace. In order to more fully understand them, I am now reading the Quran and see that Islam is a religion of peace only if you are Islamic.

It is the intent of Islam to supplant all religions: that is the stated goal in the Quran. The moderates wish to take a slow but steady course, insinuating themselves into countries (France's population, for instance, is 10% Muslim) and working within the structure of those countries to undermine it to their ends. The fundamentals simply want aggressive jihad right now - there is no delay for them.

More and more, I am giving credence to the notion that to the Islamists, we are all infidels. The Quran is quite explicit in the treatment of infidels if you care to read it for yourselves.

If this continues, and I see no indication that it shall not, I am concerned that we will see a confrontation like we saw from 700 to 1400 AD - a period of Islam's spread from the Arabian penninsula and into Europe. That expansion brought war when the west took a stand against Islam, and many of the same factors are present today. Given the proper circumstances, we could be faced with a holy war in the 21st century.

It is wrong to have a prejudicial opinion of something and attack it out of ignorance. On the other hand it is equally ignorant to defend something in the face of overwhemling evidence of its destructive nature out of some false sense of proprietrty of moral equvolency.

Islam has a goal for the world and that is complete control with everyone being Islamic or dead. I have no qualms with how people wish to worship or not worship, as long as it's not forced on people. Islam is trying to push their cult of death on the world through murder and subjugation. One Christian can kill an abortion doctor and the liberals scream out against all Christians. Islamic fundamentals kill thousands over the course of 30 years and the same liberals fall over themselves with apologies.

On 9/10/01, I was starting to have ideas and thoughts that maybe Israel needs to back off, and leave those Palestinians alone. That changed on 9/11/01. I realized what monsters that fundamentalist Islam breeds. Did you see all the happy faces shouting with glee the fact that 3000 innocent Americans were butchered by "their brothers"?

Barely had the dust cleared from the Twin Towers' collapse before our politicians were on TV telling us Islam is not to blame, don't blame Islam, this has nothing to do with Islam, the terrorists are not true Muslims, etc. But Holland loses one person, just one, to Islamic terrorists and they're ready to boot every Muslim out of the country. They're burning mosques. They're looking into shutting their borders down. What's wrong with this picture? Why does one country get it after one death while we've lost thousands and we still refuse to listen?

The very few Arab-Muslim representatives that have appeared in the media were defensive and equivocating. They seemed more concerned with making sure that the United States prove who was responsible before taking action. They seemed more concerned with protecting their fellow Muslims from violence directed towards them in the United States and abroad than they did with supporting our country and denouncing "leaders" like Khadafi, Hussein, Farrakhan, and Arafat. If the true teachings of Islam proclaim tolerance and peace and love for all people then I want chapter and verse from the Koran and statements from popular Muslim leaders to back it up. What good is it if the teachings in the Koran are good and pure and true when your "leaders" are teaching fanatical interpretations, terrorism, and intolerance.

If the calls for "Jihad!" widen, I fear we non-Islamists will be left with no recourse but to respond with "Crusade!"

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Anti-Islamic hate posts are no prettier than anti-semetic or anti-christian posts.
Brother S., you are a great guy, but you are on the wrong road here.
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QUOTE (maisky @ 17-Nov-2004, 04:36 PM)
Anti-Islamic hate posts are no prettier than anti-semetic or anti-christian posts.
Brother S., you are a great guy, but you are on the wrong road here.

Brother M, I must strongly disagree! You are burying your head in the sand if you can't see the facts, as illustrated by Brother S's dissertation (not Rant), staring you in the face!
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QUOTE (MacEoghainn @ 17-Nov-2004, 06:05 PM)
QUOTE (maisky @ 17-Nov-2004, 04:36 PM)
Anti-Islamic hate posts are no prettier than anti-semetic or anti-christian posts.
Brother S., you are a great guy, but you are on the wrong road here.

Brother M, I must strongly disagree! You are burying your head in the sand if you can't see the facts, as illustrated by Brother S's dissertation (not Rant), staring you in the face!

I KKKeep forgetting about you southern folKKKs. tongue.gif
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