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"Before the liberation of Iraq"? Iraq isn't liberated. It is OCCUPIED by an invading army, which is building 14 PERMANENT bases. The US is bogged down in Bushnam worse than we EVER were in Vietnam. We have lost the war in Iraq. The current US administration is simply too stupid to recognize that we have lost. We are losing the war on terror. Terrorist attacks are UP worldwide since the invasion of Bushnam. Fat lot of good it did. sad.gif


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We're getting close to the start of the Olympics in Athens. Almost $1.5 billion (that's with a "B") has been spent just on security for these Olympics. That's more than ten times what was spent on security in the 1996 Atlanta Olympics eight years ago.

There's one primary reason for these concerns over security and this spending. One reason, one word. Jihad. Radical fundamental Islamic jihad. Jihad that was begun before Bush took office. Jihad that attacked the US while both Bush and Clinton were President. Jihad that has stated, time and time again, that their goal is to kill as many Americans, wherever they are, as possible.

And is the worldwide Islamic community saying anything publically against it?



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QUOTE (Shamalama @ 02-Aug-2004, 11:21 AM)
We're getting close to the start of the Olympics in Athens. Almost $1.5 billion (that's with a "B") has been spent just on security for these Olympics. That's more than ten times what was spent on security in the 1996 Atlanta Olympics eight years ago.


If more attention had been paid to security in 1996, would have it prevented the bomb attack by the Christian Terrorist? unsure.gif
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QUOTE (maisky @ 02-Aug-2004, 03:31 PM)
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We're getting close to the start of the Olympics in Athens.  Almost $1.5 billion (that's with a "B") has been spent just on security for these Olympics.  That's more than ten times what was spent on security in the 1996 Atlanta Olympics eight years ago. 



If more attention had been paid to security in 1996, would have it prevented the bomb attack by the Christian Terrorist? unsure.gif

There are a number of terror groups in the world. George Bush JR and his bosses have succeded in uniting many of them by our invasion of and occupation of Bushnam. There recruits and funding now abound.
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I agree with you about 1996. Terrorism, and individuals using bombs against innocents, was still "pure fantasy" then - handled by police and warrants and not the full force of the US. We now know, and realize, what one deranged person can do.

That guy is, and was, a terrorist, and should be treated as such. He is a nutjob of the fundamental radical Christians (like the ones that kill abortion doctors) just like the thousands of fundamental radicals Muslims. They have their jihad just like Osama. They both believe they're acting on the will of God/Allah. They both have no place in civilized society and deserve an eternal dirt nap. I have no guilt about wanting to put a bullet between the eyes of either one.

It took 9/11 to finally wake up America. Many have since fallen back to sleep.

"George Bush JR and his bosses have succeded in uniting many of them by our invasion of and occupation of Bushnam"? You're right - we certainly don't want to get a bunch of terrorists mad as us, do we?

Where was Kerry when we needed him in World War II? If we had just not fought back against the Germans and the Japanese (and uniting them against the US) who knows how many American lives we would have saved!
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"Where was Kerry when we needed him in World War II? If we had just not fought back against the Germans and the Japanese (and uniting them against the US) who knows how many American lives we would have saved!"

Aw shucks, brother S., you're just being silly again! That's MY job. tongue.gif
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"There can be little doubt that Al Qaeda is trying to strike the American homeland before Nov. 2. 'We are in the midst of Al Qaeda efforts to attack the U.S. on a scale as big or larger than 9/11,' says John Brennan, chief of the Terrorist Threat Integration Center, the interagency operation that consolidates threat information."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5636197/site/newsweek/

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Speaking of terrorism, what about our administration's efforts to protect us?

From BushGreenwatch.com

August 16, 2004

Administration Ignores Terrorist Potential in Its Own Backyard

The Bush administration, which has ventured thousands of miles away to pursue still unsubstantiated reports of weapons of mass destruction, continues to thwart efforts to eliminate the very real danger of catastrophic terrorist attacks right in the nation's own backyard.


The threat consists of chemical-laden railroad tank cars-- lethal cargoes which the US Department of Transportation characterizes as potential "Weapons of Mass Destruction."


A hair-raising photo taken last September shows the Capitol dome in the background with a loaded, clearly identified, extremely dangerous chlorine tank car passing in the foreground, on tracks just blocks away (dangerous cargoes carry this identification to assist firemen and emergency personnel responding to an accident).


"This photo is an indictment of non-homeland security," says Dr. Fred Millar, a rail security specialist who served as a consultant to Friends of the Earth on the issue of terrorism and dangerous rail cargoes. "The blindness on this is stunning," Millar told Bushgreenwatch.


The simple, effective solution-- opposed by the chemical industry, the railroads, and the Bush administration-- is to reroute hazardous cargoes away from cities ranked as major targets for terrorists, such as Washington, New York, Chicago, Houston, Seattle, San Francisco and Los Angeles.


A sudden release of chlorine from a 90-ton rail tank car could create a cloud 40 miles long and 4 miles wide and be fatal 8 to 10 miles downwind. [1] If terrorists ruptured a tank car on tracks near the Washington Mall during public events such as the Fourth of July or the Inauguration, the deadly cloud could kill 100,000 people in a half-hour, according to estimates from the U.S. Naval Research Laboratories. [2]


Dr. Millar, who also sits on DC's Local Emergency Planning Committee, has urged the DC City Council to enact a proposal to prevent the four most dangerous cargoes from passing through by rail or highway when practical alternative routes exist. "This seems a no-brainer," he told the council last October, "since re-routing would eliminate the attractiveness [to terrorists]." This could be done along the Eastern seaboard by shifting hazardous cargo to a rail route which runs largely through a rural corridor instead of major cities such as Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia, and Newark. [3]


If anyone doubts how easy it would be to sabotage a rail car, all one need do is take a look at the rail cars passing the Capitol with graffiti sprayed all over them. That graffiti wasn't put there by any security police.


Although the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has conducted a study of the vulnerability of the Washington area's rail system to terrorist attack, it has repeatedly delayed the release. While awaiting this federal report, the DC Council has held back on the rerouting legislation.


On Capitol Hill, Representative Ed Markey (D-MA) proposed a bill that would mandate DHS to reroute dangerous chemical cargoes, but Congress failed to take up the measure before going on recess. When promulgating regulations on hazardous cargo security in March 2003, the Bush administration dropped any mention of routing from the final rule.



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[1] Chlorine Institute, Pamphlet 74.
[2] Testimony of Jay P. Borris, chief scientist at US Naval Research Laboratories before District of Columbia Council, Oct. 6, 2003.
[3] Testimony of Dr. Fred Millar on Bill 15-25 "Terrorism Prevention and Safety In Hazardous Materials Transportation Act of 2003," Jan. 23, 2004.
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Posted: 16-Aug-2004, 10:19 AM
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Geez.

"Friends of the Earth is dedicated to preserving biological, cultural and ethnic diversity..."

Biological diversity? Humans and cockroaches, holding hands, singing songs around the campfire.

Cultural diversity? Americans and radical Islamists, holding hands, singing songs around the campfire.

Listed as "radical left" by the Capital Research Center. And funded quite well by Teresa Heinz's Tides Foundation.
- Article against Bush by consultant of Friends of Earth
- Friends of Earth heavily funded by Tides Foundation
- Tides Foundation heavily funded by Teresa Heinz
- Teresa Heinz is current Sugar Mama of Presidental candidate John Kerry
- Surprising, huh?

Typical liberal group: opposes nuclear energy, big on labor rights and social wages, anti-capitalist. Founded in 1969 by the late David Brower (of Berkeley, California, of course) after he was fired as Executive Director of the Sierra Club. One of Brower's quotes: "Childbearing [should be] a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license... All potential parents [should be] required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing."

Leftist propaganda from easily identified leftists. There is a credible threat of attack by every UPS and FedEX truck moving through a city - you want to re-route them too? What about the "cargo" in moving vans - you want them inspected before they enter the city limits? Is this paranoia, or practical?

No news here. Move along.

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Brother S. Your "reply" doesn't change the truth of the article. We have spent WAY too little on US security, while pi**ing $ hundreds of Billions down a rathole in Iraq.
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The truth of the article is that there are, in fact, extremely dangerous chlorine tank cars traversing around Washington, DC.

There are hundreds of other cargo-containing transport vehicles traversing every major city in the US.

Washington area's rail system is vulnerable to terrorist attack. Atlanta's rail system is vulnerable to terrorist attack.

I don't deny any of the author's claims. Congress didn't see fit to take up the Ed Markey's bill before going on recess. America is vulnerable in any of thousands of directions. Get used to it - that's what happens in a free, non-government-controlled society.

Or are you, and the author, suggesting that "in the name of public safety" the government get even more involved in private enterprise? And I thought you hated all the government intrusions contained in the Patriot Act?

Is there, in fact, a rail route which runs largely through a rural corridor instead of major cities such as Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia, and Newark? But what if a factory in Newark needs a shipment of "extremely dangerous chlorine"?

No, I didn't change the change the truth of the article - there was little of it both before and after my comments. It's just that the answer is not present in the article either. No elected official is going to ban Chemical A, Gas B, and Powder C from a city's planes, trains, and automobiles. The cities require them - those products are not simply going through a city on a sight-seeing visit.

The entire purpose of the article was to bash Bush - nothing more. The article came from BushGreenwatch.com, known for their anti-Bush stance. The article contained statements from Dr. Fred Millar, a left-wing scientists that has ties to left-wing organizations that are funded by left-wing foundations.

If this were an article from FreeRepublic.com, as described on Fox News, describing the dangers of abortion you yourself would be screaming about the inherent bias.

Even someone from a government school ought to be able to see that.

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I'm surprised someone hasn't mentioned this already.

If you've been paying attention to the news this morning (Wednesday), you'll know that about 400 people, including 200 children, are being held hostage in Russia. More than a dozen militants wearing suicide-bomb belts seized a southern Russian school in a region bordering Chechnya. As many as eight people have been reported killed, one of them a school parent.

Kazbek Dzantiyev, head of the North Ossetia region's Interior Ministry, said that the hostages have threatened "for every destroyed fighter, they will kill 50 children and for every injured fighter - 20 (children)."

If you listen to most newscasts you'll hear that they're being held hostage by "rebels." Some newscasters may even go so far as to identify them as "Chechnyan rebels" or "insurgents." It's what you don't hear that's interesting. The "rebels" are Muslims. They're Islamic terrorists. They've been on the attack in Russia for the past few weeks. A suicide bomber killed nine people in Moscow. Near-simultaneous explosions blamed on terrorists caused two Russian planes to crash, killing all on board.Exploding airliners. It is just another front on the Islamic radical's war against everything not Islamic.

Why is the media so petrified of identifying these terrorists as Muslims? Is there some new unwritten rule out there which says that you cannot identify terrorists as Islamic?

The surge in violence was apparently timed around last Sunday's Chechen presidential election. The previous president, Akhmad Kadyrov, was killed with more than 20 others in a bombing May 9. Anyone remember the deadly seizure of a Moscow theater in 2002?

They won in Spain, they thought they could win in Russia.

"In essence, war has been declared on us, where the enemy is unseen and there is no front," Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov said. Ah, you don't say? Michael Moore says they're Freedom Fighters.

A militant Muslim web site published a statement claiming responsibility for the bombing on behalf of the "Islambouli Brigades," a group that also claimed responsibility for the airliner crashes. The statement said Tuesday's bombing was a blow against Putin, "who slaughtered Muslims time and again." That's the same words used against Bush.

And we're back to the Islamic terrorists resurrecting the old Islamic terrorist staple of attacking schoolchildren, this time in Russia. I wonder if Putin is beginning to realize exactly what his former "business partners" are? They're animals. They hold no appreciation of life, either yours or theirs. They will happily kill you in order to achieve paradise themself.

Worldwide Islamic terrorism is World War 3, and it's already started. What do you want to do about it?
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Did any of you read this over the holiday weekend concerning the hostage situation in Russia?

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Muslins took to the streets around the world today to march in protest of the recent wave of violence perpetrated in Russia by Islamic radicals.  "We condemn any person, especially a Muslim, who would shoot a fleeing child in the back." said one of the protestors.  "These pigs are murderers, not Muslims.  They shame Allah rather than honor him."

Estimates of the numbers of Muslims marching worldwide to protest violent acts in the name of Islam numbered in the hundreds of thousands, perhaps the millions.


No, you didn't. No one did. I made it up.

We didn't read such a story because something like that didn't happen and hasn't happened since Islamic jihadists declared war on all things non-Muslim, and especially the West.

Over 200 schoolchildren were killed by those Islamic terrorists in Russia on Friday. Some of these kids were shot in the back as they were trying to flee. The New York Times wrote of one child who walked up to one of his captors to ask for a glass of water. Without so much as a second thought the Islamic animal ran the child through with his bayonet.

Russians report now that at least 10 of the Muslims holding these children hostage were Arabs. Huh? How did Arabs get into Russia, and what were they doing there?

I'll give you a hint: death to all things non-Muslim.

These are not "hostage takers". These are not "radicals". These are not "gunmen". They are all Islamic terrorists. They appear to have planned their seizure of a Russian school carefully, starting months earlier and sneaking weapons into the building in advance.

This whole thing about Islam being a wonderful religion of peace is starting to wear a bit thin. It may well be that the vast majority of devout Muslims in the world simply want to live their lives in accordance with their religious teachings without violence and without bothering anyone else. If that is so, then those peace loving Muslims are going to have to show that they are as disgusted, distressed and fed up with the actions of Islamic terrorists as the rest of us are. Else we're going to start assuming that they are in favor of such behavior.

Worldwide Islamic terrorism is World War 3, and it's already started. What do you want to do about it? Are you willing to fight a "more sensitive" war on Islamic goons who will shoot children in the back, as one of the candidates has suggested?


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In CNN's latest article on the Beslan slaughter, they at least use the word "terrorists," but you will not find "Islam" or "Muslim" or "Islamist" or anything of the kind -- even though the "Chechen rebels" want their own muslim state ruled by Islamic laws.

Half the dead "Chechen separatists" were not Chechens at all, but Arabs. And yet, tastefully tiptoeing round the subject, The New York Times couldn't bring itself to use the words Muslim or Islamist, for fear presumably of offending multicultural sensibilities. We must, after all, fight a more "sensitive war", right?

How can one trust what one reads, hears, or sees when the self-evident fact of terrorism is being semi-denied? Worse, the multiple euphemisms for terrorist obstruct a clear understanding of the violent threats confronting the civilized world.

I wonder if, as they killed those schoolchildren, they chanted "Allahu Akbar!" -- as they did when they hacked the head of Nick Berg, and killed those 12 Nepalese workers, and blew up those Israeli diners in the Passover massacre.

In the face of such horror, who can offer up any shred of justification? Yet that is precisely what has happened in the worldwide mainstream media outlets in the wake of every terrorist event the world has seen in recent years.

After 9/11 there were those who "explained" the attacks by blaming U.S. policy in the Mideast as behind the "desperation" of the hijackers. After the Madrid bombings half the Spanish electorate effectively blamed their nation's participation in the war in Iraq by voting out the government that supported the U.S. In the wake of every suicide bombing in Israel, that country's policy on Palestinians is deemed responsible in many quarters, especially in Europe. After the carnage at Beslan will CNN blame the children?

Worldwide Islamic terrorism is World War 3, and it's already started. What do you want to do about it?



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And while you're at it, how many media stories do you remember seeing, reading, or hearing about the Abu Ghraib prisoners? Now compare them to how many media stories you remember seeing, reading, or hearing about this massacre of children. Can you easily see what is most important to the media outlets, and what the media outlets want you to see more of?

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