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Posted by: Nova Scotian 06-Apr-2006, 08:28 PM
I personally feel Christians in the US are under a double standard. I mean if a teacher in a class room stood up and started preaching creationism and professing God as the creator, the far left would run him or her out. That is more or less world wide. Look at those cartoonist who did the Mohamid cartoons. They are in hiding but no one blames the Muslims. No that would offend them. What do you think.

Posted by: Tassiecelt 07-Apr-2006, 06:59 AM
I think that things in the US are much the same as Australia - everyone is tolerated - except Christians.
All religions are tolerated - except true Christian belief.

We are a tolerant society, but we cannot tolerate the love of Christ, forgiveness, any talk of commandments or God's moral standards.

and is it any wonder? prophecy told us it would be like this. We are in the last days, come soon Lord Jesus.

Posted by: haynes9 07-Apr-2006, 12:23 PM
None of this should come as a surprise. And, to be fair, I know some Christians in the US who cause more problems than they solve by their arrogant attitudes. I always remind our folks that it is Jesus that makes the difference in our lives. We are certainly no better than anyone else, but Jesus is the One Who makes us worthy to come before God, based on His righteousness.

Still, it sure can be frustrating. We need t continue to work to change these things, but one thing I try to remember is that the world owes me nothing. I owe them the same Gospel that changed my life.

fight the good fight. By the way, NS, I always appreciate your posts. Have a great day!

Posted by: Nova Scotian 08-Apr-2006, 12:07 PM
QUOTE (haynes9 @ 07-Apr-2006, 01:23 PM)
None of this should come as a surprise. And, to be fair, I know some Christians in the US who cause more problems than they solve by their arrogant attitudes. I always remind our folks that it is Jesus that makes the difference in our lives. We are certainly no better than anyone else, but Jesus is the One Who makes us worthy to come before God, based on His righteousness.

Still, it sure can be frustrating. We need t continue to work to change these things, but one thing I try to remember is that the world owes me nothing. I owe them the same Gospel that changed my life.

fight the good fight. By the way, NS, I always appreciate your posts. Have a great day!

Thank You! You do bring up very good points. I think American culture has really gotten into things as well. That is on both sides of the spectrum. My wife just got back from Jordan where she's from. I couldn't go due to my work schedual and her Grandmother is probably going to go be with the Lord soon so she went with my daughter who's 20mo. She said that it seems as though Christians are more respected over there even though Muslims by nature dislike Christianity. It's just a different culture.You could say Christians are just tolorated. Here in America, most of the time we by nature think we are better then the next one. I think we're all guilty of that in some way. I try my hardest to remember we're all family here. The ones I really resent and say they shouldn't even be called American are people like Ward Churchill and the likes of him.

Posted by: Nova Scotian 08-Apr-2006, 12:08 PM
QUOTE (Tassiecelt @ 07-Apr-2006, 07:59 AM)
I think that things in the US are much the same as Australia - everyone is tolerated - except Christians.
All religions are tolerated - except true Christian belief.

We are a tolerant society, but we cannot tolerate the love of Christ, forgiveness, any talk of commandments or God's moral standards.

and is it any wonder? prophecy told us it would be like this. We are in the last days, come soon Lord Jesus.

You are right. I try to remember that everyday.

Posted by: reddrake79 16-Apr-2006, 05:47 PM
fortunately our society is not yet to the point of destroying EVERYTHING christian. I am a Science teacher in a school. Because my school is a Christian school I can present evidence against evolution and state my beliefs in class. I treat that as a real privilege. To me this means I have to treat other ideas with respect, not necessarily confirmation, but treat the person like a human and actually answer their argument or question.
unfortunately any christian who does take a stand is not always afforded the same respect.

Posted by: Nova Scotian 17-Apr-2006, 08:00 AM
QUOTE (reddrake79 @ 16-Apr-2006, 06:47 PM)
fortunately our society is not yet to the point of destroying EVERYTHING christian. I am a Science teacher in a school. Because my school is a Christian school I can present evidence against evolution and state my beliefs in class. I treat that as a real privilege. To me this means I have to treat other ideas with respect, not necessarily confirmation, but treat the person like a human and actually answer their argument or question.
unfortunately any christian who does take a stand is not always afforded the same respect.

Very true.

Posted by: ballydun 17-Apr-2006, 11:26 PM
It is frustrating to feel that you can't tell people "Happy Easter" or "God Bless You" for fear of offending them. It seems to me that it's OK for people to discriminate against Christians and fat people. Those are the about the only 2 things that haven't been politically corrected in their favor. Am I making any sense or just rambling? unsure.gif

Posted by: Elspeth 18-Apr-2006, 07:45 AM
No, ballydun, you make sense. The other day at Wal-Mart the clerk said have a nice day and I wanted to respond Happy Easter, but I didn't. I walked out wondering why I didn't and then thinking I should try to start, instead of saying have a nice day, saying God Bless You. Any one with me?

Posted by: haynes9 18-Apr-2006, 07:49 AM
I say "Lord bless you" quite a bit to folks at the checkout stand. Not always, but fairly frequently. I've never gotten a negative response from anyone and most of the time it brings a smile.


Posted by: ballydun 18-Apr-2006, 10:30 AM
We should do it as an experiment and see what happens. Try for a week or something and report back our results. It sure could be intersting and maybe start a new trend?

Posted by: Nova Scotian 18-Apr-2006, 02:38 PM
QUOTE (Elspeth @ 18-Apr-2006, 08:45 AM)
No, ballydun, you make sense. The other day at Wal-Mart the clerk said have a nice day and I wanted to respond Happy Easter, but I didn't. I walked out wondering why I didn't and then thinking I should try to start, instead of saying have a nice day, saying God Bless You. Any one with me?

I'm with you 1000000% If we offend them, tough. Just remember it's not us they have a problem with, it's God.

Posted by: Elspeth 19-Apr-2006, 07:12 AM
You guys are wonderful. Such a source of stregnth. God's love to all of you.

Posted by: Nova Scotian 19-Apr-2006, 10:58 AM
QUOTE (Elspeth @ 19-Apr-2006, 08:12 AM)
You guys are wonderful. Such a source of stregnth. God's love to all of you.

Thank you! Oh! GOD BLESS YOU 2

Posted by: j Padraig moore 23-Apr-2006, 02:02 PM
QUOTE (Nova Scotian @ 08-Apr-2006, 01:07 PM)
The ones I really resent and say they shouldn't even be called American are people like Ward Churchill and the likes of him.

I'm sorry to be uninformed, but who is Ward Churchill?

Posted by: Shadows 23-Apr-2006, 02:18 PM
It is not god that offends it is the belief that everyone on this earth believes the way you do...

The holidays you celebrate are not looked at by all as holidays...

I have seen disent here about schools being closed on Jewish holidays, but if someone were to complain about the celebration of christian holidays by our school systems they would be shot! I am a pagan and proud of it... my holidays are never celebrated by the current government and probibly never will be... do you see me bitchin?

Posted by: Dogshirt 23-Apr-2006, 03:10 PM
Exactly, my son never got out of school for Sundance! All or none I say.


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Posted by: Nova Scotian 23-Apr-2006, 03:50 PM
QUOTE (j Padraig moore @ 23-Apr-2006, 03:02 PM)
I'm sorry to be uninformed, but who is Ward Churchill?

If you don't know who Ward Churchhill is then you're probably better off.

Posted by: Nova Scotian 23-Apr-2006, 03:55 PM
QUOTE (Shadows @ 23-Apr-2006, 03:18 PM)
It is not god that offends it is the belief that everyone on this earth believes the way you do...

The holidays you celebrate are not looked at by all as holidays...

I have seen disent here about schools being closed on Jewish holidays, but if someone were to complain about the celebration of christian holidays by our school systems they would be shot! I am a pagan and proud of it... my holidays are never celebrated by the current government and probibly never will be... do you see me bitchin?

The Holidays celebrated in the US have ALWAYS been celebrated. They've always been celebrated. Aknowledge them as Christian and some don't. But they've become a tradition. If you don't wish to celebrate them during their time then don't. You're not required to. In Japan they celebrate Christmas but they don't aknowledge it as Christian.

Posted by: Nova Scotian 23-Apr-2006, 03:56 PM
QUOTE (Dogshirt @ 23-Apr-2006, 04:10 PM)
Exactly, my son never got out of school for Sundance! All or none I say.


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No one said you could pull your son out of school for the time of SUndance.

Posted by: Nova Scotian 23-Apr-2006, 07:57 PM
QUOTE (Nova Scotian @ 23-Apr-2006, 04:56 PM)
QUOTE (Dogshirt @ 23-Apr-2006, 04:10 PM)
Exactly, my son never got out of school for Sundance! All or none I say.


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No one said you could pull your son out of school for the time of SUndance.

I mean no one said you couldn't pull your son out of school for Sundance. Hey this is a free country and this country was built on the traditions of Christmas and other holidays that are Christian. As a matter of fact this nation was built on Christian ideas. So if that offends you well no one is holding you back from leaving. Also, no one is stopping you from celebrating sundance.

Posted by: Dogshirt 23-Apr-2006, 09:35 PM
I DO celebrate Sundance, and MY people were here first, so feel free to leave!


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Posted by: haynes9 23-Apr-2006, 10:43 PM
QUOTE (Dogshirt @ 23-Apr-2006, 08:35 PM)
I DO celebrate Sundance, and MY people were here first, so feel free to leave!


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Hey Dog, as you know, I always appreciate your posts even when we disagree.

What does whether one was first or not have anything to do with this discussion? Not all Native Americans hold to the traditional ways. In fact, the majority of medicine people I speak with out here say their day is past. That's not my assessment, but theirs. Not all Europeans are Christians. And not all Tribes respected the beliefs of Tribes they warred against (Navajo-Hopi, Comanche- Tonkawa, etc).

I absolutely believe in the right of anyone to believe what they choose. I encourage Native speaking and singing in the churches I am involved with. I am sure I would disagree with some of your belief system, but I will fight for your right to believe whatever you choose. Not interested in a state run church. So, if it's all the same to you, I think I'll stay. wink.gif

By the way, did your Tribe uproot a Tribe that had previously occupied what you now claim as ancestral land? Just curious.

Posted by: Dogshirt 23-Apr-2006, 11:33 PM
Oki Haynes,
Actually it was the prior poster inviting ME to leave. And here in the north there is a very large return to the traditional ways, but then the northern plains have always been very conservative. I have no interest in a state religion either, but SOME seem to think that christianity IS the state religion of the U.S.
And as far as tradition goes, we did not move anyone out, but we DID take over some lands that the Shoshone vacated after smallpox decimated them and they withdrew to the south and west.


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Posted by: Dogshirt 23-Apr-2006, 11:35 PM
And I won't touch the whole thing with the Apsaroke (Crow) since I'm both Pikuni AND apsaroke. Don't want to start anything within the family. wink.gif


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Posted by: Nova Scotian 24-Apr-2006, 05:38 AM
QUOTE (Dogshirt @ 23-Apr-2006, 10:35 PM)
I DO celebrate Sundance, and MY people were here first, so feel free to leave!


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Well like I said, nobody said you can't practice Sundance. Your obviously native American. That's cool! Also you seem to have clan Gordon roots. As far as what I said before if it offended you I'm sorry. But you are free to do what you want here in the USA in practicing other faiths. I know very well it hasn't always been that way. But we've grown up since then. I'm a Christian and if someone hears about Christianity but does't choose to embrace that belief, I'm not going to force it on them or throw it in their face. I never have and never will. But just remember which thread you are in. Kirk and Chaple. If you don't want to hear about it here or have it preached to you, your in the wrong thread.

You coming in here only tells me that even though you're a pagen, deep down your Spirit is crying out for the truth and it thurst for the God of Abrham, and of Issac and Jacob, in other words, weather you like it or not or know it or not, your Gods child and he wants you. But God loves you and is a sort of like a gentleman, he only waits till he is invited. This is all I have to say. Now if you don't want to hear this then I'd stay out of the Kirk and Chaple. This is a place where Christians can share with one another there faith in Jesus and hopefully not get critizied for it. But the door is open for those who want to learn about God/Jesus.

Also, yes the Native Americans were here first, but I'm not leaving.

Posted by: Nova Scotian 24-Apr-2006, 05:42 AM
QUOTE (Dogshirt @ 24-Apr-2006, 12:33 AM)
Oki Haynes,
Actually it was the prior poster inviting ME to leave. And here in the north there is a very large return to the traditional ways, but then the northern plains have always been very conservative. I have no interest in a state religion either, but SOME seem to think that christianity IS the state religion of the U.S.
And as far as tradition goes, we did not move anyone out, but we DID take over some lands that the Shoshone vacated after smallpox decimated them and they withdrew to the south and west.


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I certainly don't want to see state religion either. That was the original meaning of the seperation of Church and state was to protect the Church and allow Christians of all denominations and non-denominations practice equally. Now that ammendment is being abused and used by fundimental to try to bring down Christianity.

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