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Posted by: connor1985 28-Feb-2006, 08:42 PM

lately it seems that condemn people are getting away with a lot more then crimes. CA at the moment has put all executions on hold because the doctors there will not inject the inmate to kill them. the inmate says that there might be some pain! will no duh dip but then again what about all the pain you have already caused someone else by whatever you did. these people have been sentenced by a jury of their peers to die and it shouldn't matter how they die in pain or not it must be carried out. now granted sometimes you do find someone who is innocent on death row and yes sometimes they die to but mistakes do happen and sorry about your luck. (yes i would care if it was someone in my family but if they were shown to have done it then the punishment must be carried out) i'm so tired of hearing oh we shouldn't kill people god says we shouldn't and blah blah blah. if you want to bring god and the bible up they stoned people to death all the time for crimes that were committed!! capital punishment has been around forever but now it seems to be facing extinction. many states are trying to do away with the death penalty so now we'll have to pay for these inmates for the rest of their lives to sit in jail and live better then some innocent people do! where is the justice in this??

Posted by: marti64 28-Feb-2006, 08:47 PM

For certain crimes, yes, others no. Crimes against Police or othe service personnel, yes, and in most cases, crimes against children, depending on the severity of the crime.

Just my 3 cents!!! Marti

Posted by: MacEoghainn 01-Mar-2006, 08:40 AM

Yes to capital punishment, but the standard for applying the "ultimate"punishment should be set very high (probably something higher than beyond a reasonable doubt that is supposed to be used for conviction). Once that punishment has been determined to be correct the appeals process should be limited in duration (no excuses like one death row inmates was trying: "they waited to long and now I'm to old"). Also these legal maneuverings about cruel and unusual punishment need to be stopped. If the anti death penalty crowd wants an end to the death penalty then they need to try for a Constitutional amendment (which they won't do because they know they'll lose).

Posted by: Senara 01-Mar-2006, 09:18 AM

I think the problem with the capital punishment is primarilly that it is projecting itself to be a "deterrent" for criminals. How much of a deterrent is it to sit in a cell and get 3 meals a day and sleep whenever you want while waiting 20 years to die by a needle Not much. It's 20 years free rent and board.

If they want to correct the process so that the punishment starts fitting the crime things need to change. I would agree to a 2 year time limit on death row. You have 2 years to file your petitions/appeals/etc. After that two years you case is reviewed one last time....should it be found that you're innocent you're let loose, should you be found guilty but the punishment is too extreme, you're moved to another facility off of death row. If found that you did do what the jury convicted you of, you get your last meal and then the needle. That's it. The end.

I'm tired of working my

off to pay taxes so that these

can live without having to really do much of anything but sit and rot. Yes I know this means that innocent people might die, but if they were that innocent then they should make full use of those 2 years to prove it rather than leach off of my hard earnings.

And while we're at it....let's work on the condition of our prision system. I don't think we should be building them new facilities, hell, we don't even have to feed them fancy dinners. I'm thinking PBJ's for lunch and dinner, maybe a hot meal once a week, and couple eggs and toast for breakfasts...that's it. No more TV time, give them week old newspapers instead. No more weight equipment in the yard...get enough of a work out doing crunches and push-ups.

It's time to treat criminals like criminals and turn our prisions back into prisions rather than vacation retreats.

Posted by: connor1985 01-Mar-2006, 05:41 PM

i'm glad i've found people of like mind. what we have done since things can no longer be cruel or unusual is make prison home to many. our jails are overcrowded and death row inmates wait their whole lives to die. granted i firmly belive that the court and judical system are extremely corrupt and we need to give appropriate punishments to appropriate crimes. for example in my home state of PA inmates have been writing to the editors of local papers saying how for simple crimes (D.U.I) they have to spend 1 to 5 years in a state prison because their local jail was full. a man wrote in saying he was only to spend 6 months to two years in local jail but the judge found it was full and told him he had to serve longer in a state prison with murders, rapist, molesters and other scum. this man owned his own business, just got custody of his five year old daughter but because he had a drinking problem instead of sending him to a treatment center he now sits in prison. he has since lost his business, his daughter hardly remembers him, and he has no real idea when he'll be let out. appropriate to the crime?? NO! another example we recently had a 86 year old woman hit (if you could call that force hitting) a group of young children who for years have made a mess in her yard, broken a couple of her windows, and leave trash on her sidewalk. the police were called and she was charged with assault! they didn't take her to jail but they were going to charge and prosecute her! they took her broom away saying since she used it as a weapon she can no longer have one. however of a twist the district attorney dropped the charges and nothing else came of it. this woman had called the police many different times complaining about the children but nothing was ever done until she finally snapped and took matters into her own hands. was she wrong to hit them yes but why did the police who are to protect and serve us do nothing to help her with the problem? finally something i was told from my high school civics teacher. a man was in prison for a number of years and on the day he was released he walked out of the jail into town and killed someone. the judge asked him why would you do this? the man replied that he didn't know how to live outside of jail. thats a sad story but i'm sure it's true. we do nothing to help people in jail who will eventually come out into the world again but we make them as comfortable as possible. so what are we teaching our kids? commit big crimes get little or no sentence or live in jail forever free and live better then the hard working people who have to pay to keep the tv's running for the criminals. we need to go back to the old ways small uncomfortable cell no tv no weight room no nothing. quit feeding them better and go on small meals that just keep you alive. make them work! think back to the chain gangs working along side the road i'm sure the guards wouldn't mind some time outside holding guns on inmates. don't make jail better then trying to make an honest living. personally i urge everyone to write to their state representatives and ask for a chance in prison standards and to keep the death penality alive and moving.

Posted by: Galadriel 18-Mar-2006, 11:36 PM

Finally there are people out there that do support the need for Capital Punishment! Capital Punishment is a need. I wish we could go back to the old days, ya steal ya lose a hand. If ya want to kill someone lets just take your head. I believe there would be less crime if people knew they were going to suffer the consquences. Cause would you steal that car if you knew that you were going to lose a leg and forget a fake leg no one will provide you with one. How bout that really cool shirt you just stole that was a second offence guess the other hand that isn't missing gets taken? Would you think twice about stealing? How bout raping and murdering? We will kill you the same way you killed that defenseless little child!! Consequences!!!!!!!!!!! Did I mention no anesthitic when removing your hand!! People need a little fear in their lives its very healthy. I am tired of the amount of rules and crap that the good people that have never been arrested have to go through because the bad people screwed it up and made the good people suffer cause the bad people are stupid. We wouldn't have so many laws if everyone would be smarter about their decisions. Just some thoughts!!!

Posted by: Galadriel 18-Mar-2006, 11:36 PM

Posted by: CelticCoalition 20-Mar-2006, 09:40 PM

I'm against captial punishment. I don't believe our justice system is accurate enough to support capital punishment. I also don't believe that capital punishment is fairly applied in this country. There doesn't really seem to be anything that people on death row share in common except being convicted of murder. I don't think that capital punishment should be used unless there is a clear system that fairly decides who gets death or life in prison. I also beleive our justice system needs to improve before it is used.

Posted by: CelticCoalition 20-Mar-2006, 09:40 PM

Posted by: MDF3530 26-Mar-2006, 05:12 PM

I think that capital punishment should be legal, but with restrictions. I believe that there should be Capital Crimes Courts. It'd only be reserved for murder and other capital crimes. Both the prosecutors and defense would have to file claims and counterclaims with a grand jury why or why not the Capital Crimes Court should hear the case. If the case is heard by the Capital Crimes Court, only then could it be decided if the defendant could be sentenced to death.

The reason why I feel this way is because of an infamous case in one of the suburbs of Chicago. In 1985, eight-year-old Jeanine Nicarico of Naperville, Illinois was kidnapped, raped and murdered. The DuPage County Sheriff's Department and the DuPage County State's Attorney were so sure they had the right person, Rolando Cruz, that they ignored the sworn statements of Mr. Cruz's friends and relatives and a jailhouse confession of another man, Brian Dugan, that it was in fact him, not Mr. Cruz, who'd committed the heinous act. They railroaded Mr. Cruz into jail four times, only to see him be exonerated by higher courts.

Then, the investigators and prosecutors in the Nicarico case found themselves on the other side of the courtroom when they themselves were charged with official misconduct. They were acquitted, but it didn't take a genius to figure out these guys were dirty. The detectives were fired by the DuPage County Sheriff's Department and the prosecutors were disbarred.

Posted by: Patch 19-Apr-2008, 09:36 AM

For certain crimes, yes, others no. Crimes against Police or other service personnel, yes, and in most cases, crimes against children, depending on the severity of the crime.

Just my 3 cents!!! Marti

I agree in part. I do not know if you recall pics of Nazi Germany. I was a child but I still recall the pictures of Police and SS troops with shaved heads. It looked frightening then and SHOULD be frightening now! Look at law enforcement today. I worked in Govt. with law enforcement for 30 years and can assure you that we should be VERY VERY afraid.

My state has a terrible track record re: death penalty convictions. (2 recently overturned and several more suspect.) There seems to be a rush to convict someone thus the case is closed. That leaves the real killer free to kill again. I prefer to have the real killer/s convicted. I eat lunch occasionally at the same restaurant with one of the participants of a famous drug killing that took place in my community. Because I insulated one of my employees from public defenders (he testified for the state) I was supoenaed as a defense witness. (Knew nothing and never testified.) Two of the persons responsible sold a multi-million dollar business and left for parts unknown. The third family member is still here and does not look too well these days since the commutation). If the man convicted had been executed it would all be over now. As it is the fight will continue over a file cabinet full of sealed evidence that no department admits to having authority to release.

In my community, law enforcement jobs are filled through the political patronage system which ensures that you get mostly the sludge at the bottom of the barrel. Those who can practice law do so and those who can not become prosecutors and judges. Ethics violations are rampant. Our city law director took sides with labor in a labor lockout (not too bright) and our police chief(?) took the position of management (not too bright either) They are now strike busters of sorts. The company will in all probability be leaving soon for Brazil. It will help get our unemployment rate over 10%.

I can not support a death penalty based on anything short of absolute evidence. IE: video tape or DNA. Short of that, a life sentence is adequate. That is why the evidence in a jury trial must be beyond the "shadow of a doubt".

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Posted by: Methylphenidate 07-Aug-2008, 10:17 PM

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An actual quote from my late mother: "I am in favor of capital punishment - as long as it's not to severe."[FONT=Impact][SIZE=7][COLOR=Crimson]

Posted by: Methylphenidate 07-Aug-2008, 10:24 PM

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In the words of my late mother, "I am in favor of capital punishment - as long as it's not too severe."

She was 91 and I wasn't about to correct her.

Posted by: Jillian 14-Aug-2008, 07:59 PM

If I recall, in the Old Testament they also used the system of banning a criminal to an area outside of the settlement area. They informed the person that as long as they stayed in that area and did not return to town they would be allowed to live. However they would be killed upon returning to the settlement.

Out in Arizona, Sheriff Joe Arpaio has my kind of prison...it's bare-bones and there's no coddling of prisoners. He has gotten alot of flack over the years but I think it is the way to go. Prisons are cash crops nowadays - which is disgusting in my opinion. Big corporations taking over prisons and making money is like managed care taking over the healthcare field...it's not about fitting punishment or in the case of health care, providing good care...it's about the money.

Here we have Sheriff Joe treating inmates by giving them basic bologna sandwiches, no TV, living in desert conditions (Our soldiers have done it, those living in the Mideast have done it, and I have done it w/out air conditioning so why can't the inmates?), and working chain gangs. But there are yahoos out there (our trial lawyers and liberal judges) who are allowing these inmates to sue.

Are you kidding me? They committed crimes and should understand that it isn't "3 squares and a cot" w/activity centers, gyms, cable TV, etc. It's prison...period, and we owe them very little.

I worked w/gang members in a residential lock down facility in Phoenix. I heard them talk and none of them wanted to go to Tent City. They joked about other lock downs that were "a cake walk" compared to "the streets", so they weren't really bothered by going to those types of lock-downs. Criminals need to understand the choice is theirs to make...be a criminal and go to a place like Tent City, not a place more akin to the YMCA.

Here's a link about Sheriff Joe:

http://www.cnn.com/US/9907/27/tough.sheriff/

Jillian

Posted by: Methylphenidate 14-Aug-2008, 08:58 PM

Thanks for the post jillian. I will read your article next, but I remember Sheriff Joe from some T.V. news magazine, like 60 minutes. I can imagine 99.9% of the viewing audience, shaking their heads and saying, "By God, he would sure get my vote.

Again, your article might say all this, but he pleased all taxpayers in the county, the correctional department just about payed it's own way. He didn't mind being in the hot seat either. Any good, new, innovative program is bound to have its detractors - the ACLU lawyers and their type, like you suggest.

As a coincidence, my father was a guard all his life at New York State's largest maximum security prison known as Dannemora State Prison, Clinton Correctional Facility, and "Little Siberia". It is located high up in the Adirondack Mountains of New York State, where, as a schoolboy, I remember 5 - 6 consecutive 50 degree below Farenheight days (not even adding in the wind factor). The townsfolk took it in stride. But to prisoners of Carribean or Jamaican origin, convicted in New York City, being sent to "Little Siberia". Was a fate worse than death. I don't know if you are close to my age (55), but in the T.V. crime show Kojack (about 20 years ago), Telly Salavas used to threaten the convicts to cooperative, or he would send them to Dannemora. Probably about 1000 people in the whole country knew what he was refering to. Adjacent to the prison, they have another Prison for the Criminally Insane. (We are not talking about guys who were arrested for spitting on the sidewalk - these guys came from another planet. My father and another guard would sit in the background when the convict/patiens had their 45 minute session with the prison psychiatrists. I remember him telling my mother, that the doctor asked this one serial killer why he killed all 6 members of a family. His reply - "Well, everbody was home." Yeah.

Again, thanks for the update on Sheriff Joe. Sounds like it could be a movie in the making ... ? Maybe one of the two Presidential candidates has his eye on him for head of the F.B.I. He would sure get my vote!

Regards,

Charlie http://ludb.clui.org/ex/i/NY3147/ (one of a couple of the prison's websites)

Posted by: Jillian 15-Aug-2008, 05:20 AM

Methylphenidate,

I do remember Kojak (I'm 46)! But I don't remember the Dennemora reference! I love that show. Telly Savalas used to have property in Phillipsburg, New Jersey (where I was born and raised) and would go to Ebner's (this little soda fountain/coffee shop/convenience store) in the mornings-about 5 minutes from my house.. He was a regular guy and well-liked...but I digress. It seems that there are a lot of people on forum that would like to see the death penalty, but I hear and appreciate the dissenters or hesitators (Patch made a good point) due to such illegitimate court proceedings and convictions. It seems a good compromise would be a more strict prison system-and would satisfy both sides (such as the ones we've spoken of).

It's a tough debate. There's a part of me that gets angry and would love to see more criminals fry when the evil in this world seems to prosper, while innocent people suffer the consequences. But then there's a part of me that remembers my Christian upbringing and the "revenge is mine sayeth the Lord" wafts through my head. Do we risk some innocents getting fried because of an impotent and corrupt judicial system? I don't think we really want that, so I guess that's why I lean towards the "basic needs" penitentiary system that is supplemented by working chain gangs. No one was ever hurt by hard work...in fact many free citizens work 2 jobs doing hard labor to make ends meet. Criminals have been allowed to feel entitled regarding comforts. When I worked w/the gangs and they would complain, I used to ask them constantly why they thought life should always be fair...because it isn't and that's a reality humans face every day. It's about learning how to cope w/discouragement and working through it, going around it, or rising above it.

Great topic for discussion.

Jillian

Posted by: Lady of Avalon 20-Aug-2008, 06:44 PM

Am all for it.Too much psycho loose on the streets or anywhere for that matter.Not even safe on a bus these days without some maniac jumping on a fellow sleeping beside him and stab him over 50 times and endup cutting off his head AND on top like if it wasn't enough,cut off the kid's nose and one ear and put it in his pocket to eat later on...the kid was killed because he was asleep...
No sick or not I say "capital punishment" is a just and deserving fate for any monstrous crimes committed by anybody.
Even here in a small community a freaking psycho intruded into a family's house and kidnap the mother of two young kids asleep in bed only to kill her,steal her bank card use them steal her money and her husband's and bring her in a house that had belong to his grandmother in the past and was now empty and deserted and again sexually agressed her while alive and after he had killed her.She was killed because the front door wasn't lock...
No, there is no doubt in my mind, sick or not these bastards don't deserve to live not even in prison, especially our prisons these days are deluxe hotels, once they have taken freely another's life, no matter their mental state.
Parasite are not only insects, they can be under a human form....
Too easy to pretend to be sick....

Just my two pence...LOA

Posted by: Camac 20-Aug-2008, 06:50 PM

LOA;

I'm all for it also. They should have given Bernardo the needle along with Homolka.
He rots in jail at our expense and she gets 12 years then walks. One of the people they killed was Homolkas' sister after they drugged and raped her. Great justice system.

Camac.

Posted by: Lady of Avalon 20-Aug-2008, 07:04 PM

Yeah! The odd couple eh! At least the pig is still in prison but the other cow (sorry I'm upset now)is walking the streets on the pretense that she is now a normal person. Let me say that she didn't find peace even here in Quebec because everywhere she set foot journalists or any who would recognize her, bang the media was on her back,now she's gone I don't know where and frankly couldn't care less, she could be to lalaland and it would make any difference to me.
Too bad we the people can't make the justice with these monsters that walks our streets.

Another two pence,LOA

Posted by: Dogshirt 20-Aug-2008, 07:53 PM

How about you get the death penalty, THEN you can appeal. If the next court turns you down, you're dead in 48 hours! NO further appeals, no more TAXPAYERS expense. 2 strikes and you're DED dead!!!!!!

Posted by: Lady of Avalon 21-Aug-2008, 06:40 AM

QUOTE (Dogshirt @ 20-Aug-2008, 09:53 PM)

How about you get the death penalty, THEN you can appeal. If the next court turns you down, you're dead in 48 hours! NO further appeals, no more TAXPAYERS expense. 2 strikes and you're DED dead!!!!!!

The you that you refer to in your post is addressed to whom exactly.I certainly hope it's not towards me, if you mean the condemn, then I say no appeal for crimes like I described above, let me explain if I may.

We live in a deranged world even if we'd like to pretend otherwise.More and more people are under the influence of drugs even kids.Ever since the laws about the human rights were change and "deranged" people are allowed to walk amongst society like normal people these disgusting events occur more and more often.
Some people are just drugs addicts and some need their supervised drugs to be administered in hospitals and the latter should be institulized not loose on the streets.
So in my eyes, somewhere in their heads, like the one who cut off the head of a poor kid who happened to sleep on the seat beside that psycho,is asking himself to have the court kill him,so again, somewhere this nut knows what he did, he can't control himself, look at Jeffrey Dahmer and I could go on and on.
No, again there is no doubt in my mind,no appeal because if during that appeal the condemn happened on a judge that on this particular day feels generous and returns the judgment of death penalty...well we're back to square one,our mister monster gets the good life in prison while the victims families deals with the injustice that the monster is still alive when he has no right anymore, because the minute one takes another's life,one take away his or her right to live anylonger.
And again maybe you'll find me harsh but 48 hours is too long,we can't afford this kind of luxury anymore with tugs that laughs at the rules of a society.

Thanks for reading my ranting

LOA

Posted by: Dogshirt 21-Aug-2008, 08:50 PM

QUOTE

QUOTE (Dogshirt @ 20-Aug-2008, 09:53 PM)
How about you get the death penalty, THEN you can appeal. If the next court turns you down, you're dead in 48 hours! NO further appeals, no more TAXPAYERS expense. 2 strikes and you're DED dead!!!!!!

The you that you refer to in your post is addressed to whom exactly.I certainly hope it's not towards me, if you mean the condemn, then I say no appeal for crimes like I described above, let me explain if I may.

We live in a deranged world even if we'd like to pretend otherwise.More and more people are under the influence of drugs even kids.Ever since the laws about the human rights were change and "deranged" people are allowed to walk amongst society like normal people these disgusting events occur more and more often.
Some people are just drugs addicts and some need their supervised drugs to be administered in hospitals and the latter should be institulized not loose on the streets.
So in my eyes, somewhere in their heads, like the one who cut off the head of a poor kid who happened to sleep on the seat beside that psycho,is asking himself to have the court kill him,so again, somewhere this nut knows what he did, he can't control himself, look at Jeffrey Dahmer and I could go on and on.
No, again there is no doubt in my mind,no appeal because if during that appeal the condemn happened on a judge that on this particular day feels generous and returns the judgment of death penalty...well we're back to square one,our mister monster gets the good life in prison while the victims families deals with the injustice that the monster is still alive when he has no right anymore, because the minute one takes another's life,one take away his or her right to live anylonger.
And again maybe you'll find me harsh but 48 hours is too long,we can't afford this kind of luxury anymore with tugs that laughs at the rules of a society.

Thanks for reading my ranting

LOA

Of course not YOU specifically, but I'm tired of my tax dollars taking care of these a$$holes for years! Kill them and get rid of them! As Judge Judy says "Put a period and move on!"

Posted by: Lady of Avalon 22-Aug-2008, 07:19 AM

QUOTE (Dogshirt @ 21-Aug-2008, 10:50 PM)

Of course not YOU specifically, but I'm tired of my tax dollars taking care of these a$$holes for years! Kill them and get rid of them! As Judge Judy says "Put a period and move on!"

Ah! I feel better now

sorry for misunserstanding your meaning.
That's how it is with tired french pea soups...sometimes we don't get the real meaning of things...I guess I was a wee bit slow that night

So said, I cannot agree more, I too is real tired of paying for these so called "sick people" I guess like Patch stated in a previous posts. Society is in great need of reevaluate its moral values and principals from the ground up.

Thanks, LOA

Posted by: Camac 22-Aug-2008, 07:42 AM

What I am about to suggest will seem somewhat barbaric but I just came up with a solution the the criminal problem and the enviromental problem affecting the Polar Bears. Those condemned to death should be staked out naked on the Arctic ice pack. They will slowly freeze to death and their carcasses can supply meat for the bears. Two problem solved.

Camac.

Posted by: Lady of Avalon 22-Aug-2008, 07:51 AM

QUOTE (Camac @ 22-Aug-2008, 09:42 AM)

What a fantastic idea...yeah! Feed the bear and preserve nature...You should write this suggestion to our Prime Minister Camac....

It can't be worst then the monks in some Tibet mountain when one dies they put the dead on the ground and watch it rot and get eaten by the vultures.
See another good example of earth natural food chain....

LOA

Posted by: st andrews cross 05-Nov-2008, 11:55 PM

Oh I just HAVE to comment here !!!

Fry them until they stop smoking !

I do think that prisons serve a purpose for white collar criminals, petty thieves, and other non-violent criminals. While they are there they can work off their debt.
They get paid minimum wage less expenses (room n board, meals, clothes and sundrys) No TV, no cigarettes, no weight equipment etc. A very bare bones, spartan existance. No conjugal visits, no time off for good behaviour. If they cannot, they must learn to read. When their debt is paid off (to the victims), then and only then does the subject of release come up.

As to violent criminals. They have proved to be a blight on society. They die now. Any murderer, rapist, child molester and such, when they are found guilty (beyond a shadow of a doubt) they are taken out of the courtroom and executed. No last meal, no appeals. These types of people have shown they will repeat their crimes over and over. Remove them from the picture and second offenses become a thing of the past. And I'm sorry but if you are mentally handicapped or "crazy", you get executed too. You may not understand your crime but you still committed it.
If there is doubt then it's a different story. Proof must be absolute. With forensic evidence and CCTV cams everywhere it is not hard to prove a crime nowadays.
There are also some situations where some crimes are justified - the woman who kills her violent, abusive husband in self defense as he's beating her for the 100the time, the shopkeeper who is defending his property and life against armed robbers, the intended car-jacking victim running over some gangbanger in his haste to escape - etc. But these must also be absolutely clear.
Think about it - if your house has termites, you call the exterminator, if you have a pimple, you squeeze it, if your dog has fleas, you bathe it in flea and tick shampoo. PARASITES ARE EXTERMINATED.
This approach may not be a deterent, as it's detractors claim, but it sure as hell would cut down on repeat offenders and free up some prison space for the people who should be there but are released for overcrowding.
Oh yeah...the judges who turn these animals loose into society despite the many previous offenses should be held equally culpable for the crimes these people go on to commit. I would be happy to pull the switch myself.

thank you for allowing me to vent !

Posted by: st andrews cross 05-Nov-2008, 11:56 PM

and I didn't even mention shooting Sarah Palin from a helicopter !

Posted by: celticlord 04-Feb-2009, 04:37 PM

I do believe in Capital Punichment. To many are getting away with "Murder"

Posted by: englishmix 04-Feb-2009, 07:08 PM

Yes indeed for some heinious crimes. There are some things so unspeakable and irrepariable in this world - when a soul has bent itself that much - that we need to commend them to God's judgment and eternal keeping.