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Nothing like a film maker with an agenda rolleyes.gif

While I am not a supporter of President Bush (read my treatise on Conspiracies, CFR, Skull and Bones, Secret Societies etc.)

Having seen the trailers to this movie I can firmly proclaim that it is nothing more than propoganda filled with half truths no matter how true that half may be.

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Posted: 29-Jun-2004, 03:56 AM
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VERY GOOD Raven!! Brooking no arguments! biggrin.gif Raven For president or maybe for king! king.gif
I thought the film was dead-on accurate, just not going far enough in denouncing the Bush mafia. biggrin.gif beer_mug.gif


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QUOTE (maisky @ 29-Jun-2004, 04:56 AM)
VERY GOOD Raven!! Brooking no arguments! biggrin.gif Raven For president or maybe for king! king.gif
I thought the film was dead-on accurate, just not going far enough in denouncing the Bush mafia. biggrin.gif beer_mug.gif

All the conservitive talk shows have been going ape the last few days. The best they can do is say Michael Moore is fat and twisted the facts. Not that the facts were not true, just twisted.,,I hope someone finds some good stuff on the other clown. Then Pat Paulson could finally win from beyond the grave. king.gif
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QUOTE (MacEoghainn @ 27-Jun-2004, 02:41 PM)

I?m hoping someone like Shamalama will jump in here


Yes, Brother MacEoghainn, I'm still alive. I've wanted to sit back and watch this thingie before jumping in.

The media headlines talk about how the film is "breaking records," but really, all it broke was a single record: the best weekend opening for a "documentary." Actually, it isn't really a documentary, it's basically a slanted, political piece.

We're supposed to relate this to a National Geographic special? A documentary? Nah.

Between Wednesday and Sunday (the film opened in limited release on Wednesday,) box office estimates show a gross of $21,958,000, or just under $22 million. In comparison, in that same time frame, the new comedy 'White Chicks' pulled in $27,100,000. That's right, if you take Wednesday-Sunday, White Chicks is #1. It's only when you go to Friday-Sunday does Fahrenheit barely become the #1 movie, with an edge of just over $2 million. Hardly a box office bonanza, right? Of course, you wouldn't know that by the media coverage.

Did you see Bowling for Columbine? Maybe you remember a six-year-old who found a gun in his mother's house and killed one of his classmates. Michael Moore told us in his film that this child was unsupervised because of welfare-to-work laws. Sounds sad, doesn't it. What didn't Moore tell you? How about the fact that the mother of this child turned him over to a relative who was running a crack house where the gun was found sitting on a bed. And Moore also didn't tell you that this child's mom admitted to beating him, sitting on him and duct-taping his arms, legs and mouth. Now why would he leave that out? Because the "whole truth" doesn't match his perceptions and aganda. He is a master of telling you what he wants you to hear, with is very different from the whole truth.

Maybe you saw Moore's Roger & Me. Remember those pitiful GM workers who were being evicted from their homes? Turns out they were never even GM workers.

None of this matters anyway - Spider-Man 2 gets released Wednesday, ensuring that Michael Moore's factually vacant "documentary" is hastily returned to the obscurity to which he is accustomed.

If Michael Moore said that Bush turned the World Trade Center into giant magnets that attract planes, a significant number of liberals would believe him because it fits their perception. The same way that the Bible can be made to "say" anything you want it to say.

The most offensive sequence in "Fahrenheit 9/11"'s long two hours lasts only a few minutes. It's Moore's file-footage depiction of happy Iraq before the Americans began their supposedly pointless invasion. You see men sitting in cafes, kids flying kites, women shopping. Cut to bombs exploding at night. What Moore presumably doesn't know, or simply doesn't care about, is that the building you see being blown up is the Iraqi Ministry of Defense in Baghdad. Not many children flew kites there. It was in a part of the city that ordinary Iraqis weren't allowed to visit. But the "image" was made that the evil Americans blew up kids flying kites. Not a lie, but not the truth.

In one particularly tasteless portion of the film, Moore attempts to flag down a few congressmen and "convince" them to sign their children up for military service, thus implying that our legislators represent an "elite" who will not send their sons and daughters to die in unpopular foreign wars (a'la Vietnam). Despite the fact that no national draft has been instituted and that military service is voluntary, Moore has presented us with a half-baked half-truth.

For instance, Brooks Johnson, the son of Senator Tim Johnson (a democratic senator from South Dakota), is currently serving with distinction in the 101st Airborne.

Also, regardless of what you think of Senator Joseph Biden (D-DE), it's undeniable that he helped to pin the bars on his son, Beau Biden, who is a member of the Delaware Army National Guard. Although Beau isn't in the line of fire (he is currently practicing as a judge advocate), he is a military serviceman nonetheless.

Another interesting fact: Attorney General John Ashcroft, defender of the much-maligned Patriot Act and punching bag of the liberal left, has a son who is currently on active duty in the Middle East. His name is Andrew Ashcroft, and he serves in the Persian Gulf aboard a navel destroyer called the USS McFaul.

Did Moore mention any of this? Nope, because it doesn't fit his agenda. Not a lie, but not the truth.

The book "House of Bush, House of Saud", which Moore relies on as a source for his film is in legal trouble in the UK- to the point of not being published. From Salon.com:

"We've had to withdraw it for legal reasons," says an editor at Secker & Warburg, a U.K. division of Random House. "We expected we would be able to publish it with a degree of risk. But regrettably in the final analysis we decided we could not."

Despite being published internationally, the much stricter libel laws in the UK (which "switch the burden of proof") have made the publisher too nervous to allow for its publication in the UK. As the publisher said:

"Essentially it's been quashed."

Quashed? Why? Because the text of "House of Bush, House of Saud" may not be entirely factual? Yet this is one of the cornerstones of "Fahrenheit 9/11".

In "Fahrenheit 9/11" one of the many accusations made concerns the war in Afghanistan. Moore essentially implies that the reasoning for the military action was to benefit Unocal Corporation through the construction of an oil pipeline. But the company, which had planned to build the pipe in the mid-90's, gave up the project in 1998, three years before. So ANOTHER of Moore's cornerstones is not factual.

Michael Moore points out that during the attacks on 9/11, President Bush remained in the Florida classroom in which he was situated for five to seven minutes after he had learned of the attacks, which is true, and independently verifiable. Moore sneeringly mentions that Bush was reading to the students from a book called My Pet Goat and uses scorn and mocking to imply that it was stupidity and incompetence that kept the President in the classroom.

The 9/11 Commission disagrees: "Bush made the right decision in remaining calm, in not rushing out of the classroom," said Lee Hamilton, vice chairman of the Sept. 11 commission and a former Democratic congressman from Indiana. Only Moore and his Mooreites have a problem with the "seven minutes".

George W. Bush did not sign the order for Saudis to leave the US on 9/11
As it turns out, the flights were approved by Richard Clarke- former terrorism official and author of the less than complimentary "Against all Enemies". The requests never "went any higher" than Clarke. But is Clarke mentioned? Nope. Why?

Moore is particularly proud of his assertion that President Bush spent 42 percent of his first eight months in office on vacation. How he came upon that number is never explained, but Moore fans won't care if his claims are true or completely fabricated as long as the president is being pilloried.

What the Critics are Saying about "Fahrenheit 9/11"?

- "But the fact remains that the more you think Michael Moore is an insightful and honest person the less reason there is for the rest of us to pay attention when your lips are moving." -Jonah Goldberg, NRO

- "I don't think Al Jazeera would, on a bad day, have transmitted anything so utterly propagandistic." -Christopher Hitchens, Slate

- "In pure filmic terms, Fahrenheit 911 is a second-rate documentary, but it is first-rate entertainment and top-notch muckraking." - Mark Keizer, BOXOFFICE MAGAZINE

- "...the sort of vitriolic exercise in paranoia that would ordinarily land its creator in therapy." -The Badger Herald, Mac Verstandig

- "Paranoid left-wing propaganda from beginning to end... Moore should be proud of himself. He's made a film America-haters everywhere will love." -Fantastica Daily, Chuck O'Leary

- "The left will stay left, the right will stay right and the folks on the fence will still be rational rather than blindly following this capped crusader." - Beaumont Journal, Danny Minton

- "Less a documentary than a political manifesto, Moore wears his agenda like a badge of honor." -Movie Parables, Mchael Elliott

- "The information here isn't necessarily new, but it is packaged in an acid-tongued way along with powerhouse visuals that drive home the filmmaker's nakedly political views." -New York Daily News, Jami Bernard

- "Delightfully biased." -Compuserve, Harvey S. Karten

- "Moore never tries to hide his agenda. This is a first-person, nonfiction film, not a special on the History Channel." -Roanoke Times (Virginia), Beth Jones

- "A brilliantly-conceived and even more brilliantly-executed piece of propaganda." -Jam! Movies, Louis B. Hobson

- "It's angry agit-prop - a brilliant blame game - and its real effectiveness as muckraking propaganda may be reflected by the outcome of the November elections." -www.susangranger.com, Susan Granger

Prior to last week's Washington, D.C. premiere of "Fahrenheit 9/11," Michael Moore denied that the new documentary represents his de facto endorsement of John Kerry. "I am an Independent," the filmmaker told reporters. "I'm not a member of the Democratic party."

Which is not exactly correct.

New York City Board of Elections records show that Moore, 50, registered to vote in Gotham in 1992, checking off "Democratic" as his party affiliation (below you'll find a copy of his original registration form). He listed his address as the swanky Upper West Side building where he owns a multimillion dollar condominium (Moore's office is on West 57th Street). The filmmaker's New York registration remains active, though he has not voted since an October 2001 Democratic runoff election.

Moore is simultaneously registered to vote in Michigan, where registrants aren't even given the option of party affiliation (so he's not an Independent there either). According to Antrim County records, Moore registered last April from his lakefront spread in northern Michigan, where he reportedly splits his time, but has yet to vote in Michigan. He transferred his drivers license to Michigan from New York around the same time, though Moore has a Volkswagen Beetle registered from his Manhattan home.

I'm sure this is some kind of innocent mix-up, that Moore forgot to cancel his New York registration before signing up in Michigan. Yeah, right.

Bottom line: Moore is a liberal shill. Nothing more, nothing less.


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Posted: 30-Jun-2004, 04:34 PM
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New York City Board of Elections records show that Moore, 50, registered to vote in Gotham in 1992, checking off "Democratic" as his party affiliation (below you'll find a copy of his original registration form). He listed his address as the swanky Upper West Side building where he owns a multimillion dollar condominium (Moore's office is on West 57th Street). The filmmaker's New York registration remains active, though he has not voted since an October 2001 Democratic runoff election


Wow that is kinda just like Bill O'Reiley being found out that he was a Registered Republican despite the fact that he for years said he was independent. He really tried to backpeddle out of that one.


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Posted: 30-Jun-2004, 05:21 PM
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Once again Brother S substitutes volume for content. Nice try! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE (maisky @ 30-Jun-2004, 07:21 PM)

Once again Brother S substitutes volume for content.  Nice try!  biggrin.gif


Aye, I use what God gave me! tongue.gif

And, like always, if you find any inaccuracies in any of my statements please correct them; otherwise they must stand as factual (as factual as they can be considering my use of single-malt Scotch during the research wacko.gif ).

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In the name of Fair and Balanced I present the "Top Ten George W. Bush Complaints About 'Fahrenheit 9/11'" from the June 29 Late Show with David Letterman:

10. That actor who played the President was totally unconvincing

9. It oversimplified the way I stole the election

8. Too many of them fancy college-boy words

7. If Michael Moore had waited a few months, he could have included the part where I get him deported

6. Didn't have one of them hilarious monkeys who smoke cigarettes and gives people the finger

5. Of all Michael Moore's accusations, only 97% are true

4. Not sure -- I passed out after a piece of popcorn lodged in my windpipe

3. Where the hell was Spider-man?

2. Couldn't hear most of the movie over Cheney's foul mouth

1. I thought this was supposed to be about Dodgeball

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VERY good Brother S..!!! beer_mug.gif
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Already praised by the Communist Party USA and the Revolutionary Communist Party, Michael Moore's hit film "Fahrenheit 9/11" has a new honor ? great notices in the today's (July 9, 2004) edition of the Socialist Worker, the newspaper of the International Socialist Organization.

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Last week, the two most prominent communist organizations in the country ? the Stalinist Communist Party USA and the Maoist Revolutionary Communist Party ? both lined up in their publications in endorsing "Fahrenheit 9/11."

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The only difference between socialists and liberals is that the socialist at least is honest enough to admit it. You are known by the company you keep.
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I have never been able to figure out how people can review something that they refuse to see. It amazes me that the conservatives on this site and elsewhere resort to character attacks on Moore rather than trying to dispute the content of the film. My only complaint with the film was that it only briefly mentioned the most frightening man in America, Attorney General John Ashcroft. He would fit right in in Hayden Lake, Idaho; just one of the boys.

With Mr.'s Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfelt, they are just out of touch with reality and make it up as they go but Ashcroft has an agenda and will take as many of our rights as he can get away with.

I think that Bush has told his lies so much that he actually believes that he has made the world and the U.S. a safer place by invading Iraq. The people of America are finally realizing that they have been fed a constant barrage of lies and the success of Fahrenheit 9/11 is just one indication of the fact that the liberals are finally getting fed up with the [/U]conservative media [U](there, I've said it) bashing them relentlessly. I have been listening to the right talking about the "liberal media" for all these years but lets look at the media. When Ronald Reagan passed away, Tom Brokaw sounded as if it were the savior himself that died. During the Clinton impeachment, the press pushed the Ken Starr agenda at us through the whole proceedings. I will agree that there are a few liberal newspapers out there but much of the print media and most of the broadcast and cable media are middle to right in there reporting. Those who refer to the liberal media are just showing there reactionary position on the extreme right. Fahrenheit is liberal, the CBS Evening News is not!!


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Posted: 12-Jul-2004, 10:14 AM
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Good, Mr. Drifter, Sir!

Brother S, speaking of endorsements:
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Ah, Comrade Trudeau speaks for the People.

You're exactly correct, High Plains Drifter. I cannot review a movie I haven't seen. But I can make available to us here on CelticRadio information and reviews from those that have seen it.

I simply find it interesting that the Communist Party USA, the Revolutionary Communist Party, the Stalinist Communist Party USA, and the Maoist Revolutionary Communist Party have all publically expressed support for the movie. Strange bedfellows.


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And Osama Ben Laden and all other Islamic radicals support Cheney/bush!
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Brother Maisky, when your subscription to the National Enquirer runs out I highly suggest you get another source for your daily news.

I think Fox News has a daily email you can subscribe to. tongue.gif
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QUOTE (Shamalama @ 12-Jul-2004, 04:35 PM)
Ah, Comrade Trudeau speaks for the People.

You're exactly correct, High Plains Drifter. I cannot review a movie I haven't seen. But I can make available to us here on CelticRadio information and reviews from those that have seen it.

I simply find it interesting that the Communist Party USA, the Revolutionary Communist Party, the Stalinist Communist Party USA, and the Maoist Revolutionary Communist Party have all publically expressed support for the movie. Strange bedfellows.

Quoting reviews from the "Oxycontin Kid"? laugh.gif THAT is funny!
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