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kevsen Posted on: 28-Jan-2004, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE (scottish2 @ Jan 28 2004, 02:04 PM)
Either way it should have been recounted and not left for the candiates to debate if it should or not. A recount was and is the only fair way to determine a winner.

Recounts were done past the legislated cut-off date. All of them showed Bush the winner. It had to stop eventually, which was the purpose of the legislatively prescribed cut-off date.
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kevsen Posted on: 28-Jan-2004, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE (scottish2 @ Jan 28 2004, 02:00 PM)
Well at the same time as tossing them out we'd have to amend the constitution to lay out procedures for punishment for certain cases in regards to rogue politicians.

I'm all for it! thumbs_up.gif
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kevsen Posted on: 28-Jan-2004, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE (scottish2 @ Jan 28 2004, 08:51 AM)
Well he should have never been given that office in my view. I mean how tainted was the election and why was he so afraid of letting Florida be recounted in full and properly with all votes being accounted for my those instate and those abroad such as military personel who reside in the state when in country.

You do not have your facts straight on the Florida Fiasco. I am a resident of Florida, in a county that knows how to use voting machines, and you have misrepresented what happened.

Gore and his supporters only wanted the two most liberal counties recounted, the ones around Miami and West Palm Beach. He did not want the whole state counted. In recount after recount done by newspaper organizations after the election it was found that President Bush did indeed win Florida, in fact his margin of victory grew.

As far as the military absentee ballots go it was Gore and his operatives that moved to have as many of those votes thrown out as possible.
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kevsen Posted on: 28-Jan-2004, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE (Mailagnas maqqas Dunaidonas @ Jan 27 2004, 07:34 PM)
Fortunately, I am seeing an increasing awareness by a wide variety of people from diverse backgrounds that the Bush regime needs to be removed.
IMHO, the only real questions at this point is whether the Democrats will offer a candidate who is palatable to the general electorate, and if so, whether the Bush regime will allow an honest election.
Unfortunately, I have no real confidence that the answer to either question will be yes.
Assuming Bush is "re-elected," I see ever-increasing tyranny.
YMMV

It wouldn't be too much different with a Democrat in office. President Clinton wasn't above using the powers of his office in ways that could be considered tyrannical.

The whole lot of 'em need to be tossed out. However who would take their place? No one that would use the office well runs anymore because they don't want to get "tainted" by having to raise money or some such.
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kevsen Posted on: 26-Jan-2004, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE (scottish2 @ Jan 25 2004, 09:39 PM)
Tell me about it was wasing Communist News Network AKA CNN this afternoon and this guy who is accused of stealing the winning lotery tickets now has to prove he didn't according to CNN. Nothing about the prosecution having to prove he did it he supposedly has to prove he didn't. This is truely a sad state of affairs when the news reports it the government way. sad.gif

I don't think we will agree too much with each other on political issues, but I'm with you here.
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kevsen Posted on: 26-Jan-2004, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE (maisky @ Jan 26 2004, 06:51 PM)
QUOTE (andylucy @ Jan 26 2004, 05:56 PM)
QUOTE (Raven @ Jan 26 2004, 11:37 AM)
What ever happened to Mary Ellen?

I have been wondering that myself. I could usually count on her to watch my back during these religious discussions. biggrin.gif

Kevsen, I totally agree with you about relative truth and morality. There has to be an absolute or else, what's the bloody point? Everyone does whatever they please (including rape, murder and the like) because THEY see nothing wrong with it. I have used the term natural moral law here before, and most scoffed and told me that it didn't exist. But it does. Truth and morality doesn't rest with an individual's conscience; it comes from God.

Just my tuppence.

Andy

Of couse there are other opinions about the source of good and evil. biggrin.gif

Well, that's true. Most everyone does have an opinion or two on this subject. biggrin.gif
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kevsen Posted on: 26-Jan-2004, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE (andylucy @ Jan 26 2004, 05:56 PM)
QUOTE (Raven @ Jan 26 2004, 11:37 AM)
What ever happened to Mary Ellen?

I have been wondering that myself. I could usually count on her to watch my back during these religious discussions. biggrin.gif

Kevsen, I totally agree with you about relative truth and morality. There has to be an absolute or else, what's the bloody point? Everyone does whatever they please (including rape, murder and the like) because THEY see nothing wrong with it. I have used the term natural moral law here before, and most scoffed and told me that it didn't exist. But it does. Truth and morality doesn't rest with an individual's conscience; it comes from God.

Just my tuppence.

Andy

Thanks for throwing in your tuppence andy, I appreciate it. thumbs_up.gif
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kevsen Posted on: 26-Jan-2004, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE (Aon_Daonna @ Jan 25 2004, 11:33 AM)
Jesus was disagreeing with alot of people, but it doesn't give him the absolute truth.. I think alot of religions would disagree with that. Muslims see Jesus as a great prophet, Jews as a Rabbi.
Don't you think the truth lies in the eye of the beholder?

No, I utterly reject that the "truth lies in the eyes of the Beholder."

Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14:6)

There is absolute truth, and that truth is Christ. To say there is no absolute truth would mean that the Holocaust was not "wrong" in any important sense of the word.

Murder, lying, thievery, adultery, fornication, and the like are all wrong because they are in opposition to the laws that God has put into effect in this world.
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kevsen Posted on: 24-Jan-2004, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE (Derfel @ Nov 29 2003, 11:45 AM)
Even the bible is not the one and only truth.
Is a book, not more and less, written by a lot of men and
censored by a lot of men.
Think about it!

Sláinte!  beer_mug.gif

Derfel

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Jesus seems to be disagreeing with you.
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kevsen Posted on: 24-Jan-2004, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE (maryellen @ Oct 20 2003, 04:49 PM)
The title explains most of it: are humans by nature good or evil.  if we don't have laws that make us conduct ourselves nicely, then what would happen.  Or if religion never existed or found out to be a big sham, what would happen?

"Lord of the Flies" by William Golding suggests we are evil by nature.  Its a great book if you haven't read it.

I think Matthew 29:17 explains it:

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And he[Jesus] said unto him[the rich, young ruler], Why callest thou me good?  there is none good but one, that is, God....
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kevsen Posted on: 24-Jan-2004, 09:36 PM

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I'm in the middle of The Two Towers. I am also reading the the Bible (trying to make it through in a year), The Excellence of Exposition: Practical Procedure in Expository Preaching, The Hobbit, and Unfinished Tales: Vol 1.

Depends upon my mood as to which I pick up at any given time. smile.gif
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kevsen Posted on: 24-Jan-2004, 09:26 PM

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QUOTE (gettin-away @ Jan 24 2004, 10:18 PM)
Now.....when it's made into a movie who will play me??? wink2.gif

gettin-away

Well, Mel Gibson may be available since he'll most likely get ostracized from Hollywood after the release of The Passion of the Christ.
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kevsen Posted on: 24-Jan-2004, 09:23 PM

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Yours is a very inspiring story gettin-away. I'm glad you shared it and that I came on to read it.

Probably one of the best things you did for your daughter was to get her out of the special needs school where they probably would have trained her to become dependent.

Well-done sir, I tip my cyberhat to you.
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kevsen Posted on: 24-Jan-2004, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE (Herrerano @ Jan 24 2004, 08:51 AM)
Hi Kevsen, do you know anything about llamas?


Leo

Well, I don't think they have the sister biting tendencies that moose have been known to exhibit. smile.gif
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kevsen Posted on: 24-Jan-2004, 02:19 AM

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Whoops, I just noticed there was already a "Member Welcome" thread going. Sorry about that. I guess if I'm going to screw up it might as well be right at the beginning. rolleyes.gif

Whew! I'm glad that's over with!
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kevsen Posted on: 24-Jan-2004, 02:14 AM

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Hello there. I've been a Highlander Radio listener for awhile but have neve registered. When I did I found this wonderful forum.

So I wanted to take a moment and say "hello" to all of you.
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