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scottish2 
  Posted: 16-Jun-2003, 04:53 AM
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Quick informal poll/question.

What is the issue or cause that you work on most?
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Posted: 16-Jun-2003, 04:57 AM
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In my case my main cause on the homefront is taxation. I view it as no more then legalize(??) extortion and unconstitutional the way it is enforced. Also the recent events surrounding both our Constitution and our rights especially in the wake of 911 and how they are using that day as a day to destroy the Constitution and Bill of Rights. We can't let then desecrate the lives lost by allowing them to destroy the fabric of America in the name of now protecting the rest of us. These people would not want this. Some of these people that died came to America because of our FREEDOMS.

And on the more global relm I would have to say Peace. I am against war thugh I do realize it is sometimes inevitable I am against it when folks lie to get us into it like we are seeing now with the war in Iraq. So Bush where are the Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD)?? Only WMD I see are the Words of Mass Deceit.
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Posted: 16-Jun-2003, 08:08 AM
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I am active in promoting and preserving what is left of the right to keep and bear arms and vice versa (the right to keep and arm bears), the right to hunt what you eat, and free access to allegedly public lands.

Politically I'm best described as a rebellious Jeffersonian libertarian I suppose. I'm nothing close to an anarchist, but I do believe that the government which governs least is best, that the level of government closest to the people (most local) is also most likely to represent the needs and desires of the governed, and that the most dangerous thing in the world is a petty bureaucrat with a hint of authority and someone else's tax dollars (or pounds) in hand. Essentially I believe that individuals should be free to live our own lives free of government interference or bureaucratic power trips.

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Posted: 16-Jun-2003, 08:11 AM
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Amen to that fellow freedom lover biggrin.gif

Oh to add also I also try and do my part for the envirornment as well. Recycle and such. smile.gif
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Posted: 16-Jun-2003, 09:28 AM
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I am a believer in civil rights. My "cause" if it is such is the right for all children to recieve a Free Appropriate Public Education, which are protected by laws, but many Public School Districts seem to believe they are above Federal, State, and Local Laws, and that the only laws which govern them are the District Policies created by the Superintendent and School Board Members.

As a result, children who would otherwise grow up to have bright futures, are denied the same access to an education as the Upper-Middle Class White Protestant children. I do not think that we need more laws to govern education, but we need enforcement of the laws that we do have. I have a child with a disability, who has been denied an education by a self-righteous school district in the past, and I have had to learn to be ever vigilant, year after year, or the school will dilute his educational program into a watered-down babysitting service again.

Anyone who wants a clearer vision of what I am talking about should visit http://www.reedmartin.com.


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Posted: 16-Jun-2003, 09:38 AM
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I'm with Swanny. I think we have too much Federal government, which leads to too much income tax. I'm not against taxes in principle, I'm against the way the Federal government keeps expanding them to fund projects they have no business getting into (where in the constitution does it mention the DEA? The National Endowment for the Arts? Subsidies for farming? For not farming?) As for those WMD's, I think they'll turn up, possibly in Syria or somewhere like that. If Saddam really and truly didn't have them, why would he throw out the inspectors and allow himself to be deposed?


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Posted: 16-Jun-2003, 05:16 PM
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I am keenly interested in education and civil rights.

It is obviously different this side of the ocean, but I was glad that the gun laws here were tightened even further.

I grew up in a military household - which had guns in it - I hope I never have to see another gun in my life dry.gif

I am also keen for my country to stay out of a more tightly unified European Union - giving up all our sovereignty to Brussels is anathema to me huh.gif But, just as importantly, I wish our Prime Minister would listen to the nation (as well as many of his own party) - and be less of a poodle to Mr Blair (re Iraq). It will be interesting to see how long Mr Blair lasts if those fabled WMD are NOT discovered............ a no confidence vote would prove very, very uncomfortable for him.
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Posted: 16-Jun-2003, 05:25 PM
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Well while I don't personally own a gun I can't say I would ever uphold any gun control laws because of the 2nd amendment in the US Constitution and I can't say I support the Bill fo Rights and leave out that which might be needed one day. Part of the reason we have the right to keep and bare arms is if it's needed to control our servant government. Not saying I support revolution but if a time ever came where revolution was needed the people should be able to stand up against the government in order to preserve freedom (US Declaration of Independence)
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  Posted: 16-Jun-2003, 05:34 PM
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This is a toughie...

I guess I would have to say that I am an environmentalist. I think our natural resources should be preserved for generations to come.


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Posted: 16-Jun-2003, 07:33 PM
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Agreed MIke. I almost sometimes want to get out of my car and throw that cigarette butt back into the car window it flew out of. Just Almost mad.gif
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Posted: 20-Jun-2003, 11:07 PM
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I work for the preservation of the Constitution as a whole. I believe that if our Constitution is allowed to be changed for the betterment of a few, we the citizens of the United States will fall into anarchy and constitutional chaos. Our "right" will be subjected to the whims of the politicians, and our freedom will be lost forever to the dictations of the government.


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Posted: 21-Jun-2003, 01:48 AM
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Well said.

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Posted: 21-Jun-2003, 06:51 AM
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Ditto. Problem is we have so many growing issues concerning our Constitution and the main problem is most of America could careless because they have become dormant and not vigilant like they should be able Constitutional encrochments into out rights. sad.gif

As I said the first time we tried this part of the forum

WAKE UP AMERICA!!! ohmy.gif
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Posted: 21-Jun-2003, 11:55 AM
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Dear Mr. President, Thank you?

Mr. President, I just want to thank you for bringing back the Crusades once again, I am sure that God really appreciates this, as I know he just hates all of the people that you killed in his name. You are a blessing to all Christians throughout the world, every single one of them should get down on their hands and knees and worship you just as you wish.

Mr. President, while we are on the subject of being on our hands and knees, is there anything else we can do for you? Can we pay you more in taxes to go along with your tax cut promises? Maybe we can silence anyone that speaks against you and yours, as you have pretty much gotten rid of this right anyways.

Mr. President, I wish to congratulate you on accomplishing everything you promised in your campaign speeches. Unemployment has not been higher in years, or the rate of business failures. Your genius is tantamount to insanity, and for a man in your position that is really saying something.

Mr. President, I want to congratulate you on your abilities to circumvent the swearing in of the ?Oath of Office?. Since you took office, and when I say, ?TOOK,? I mean ?TOOK? the Constitution has never been in more danger at anytime in its history. Somehow, you have managed to override most of the amendment, especially the ones like, Freedom of Speech and Due Process, the Right to keep and bear Arms, and you have even attempted to change the Right to Vote amendment, how thoughtful of you to do this for us. I am sure that all of the citizens of the United States would just love to thank you properly if you would just give them the chance. However, this can never be, as you have never given, only taken.

Mr. President, I really need to apologize to you. I just realized that I have been calling you President. The President of the United States is an elected position, and you were never elected by anyone. Therefore, I guess, it would only be proper that we call you Mr. Chancellor?

All hail Chancellor Bush, usurper of the United States of America.

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Posted: 21-Jun-2003, 12:03 PM
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AND JUSTICE FOR ALL



People, lend me your ears? We citizens of the United States of America, do not have a judicial system, and have not had one in years? A Judicial System is predicated upon ?Justice?, as in ?Justice for all?.

Judicial system

n : the system of law courts that administer justice and
constitute the judicial branch of government [syn: {judiciary},
{judicature}, {judicatory}]

One of the first facts you learn in Law School is that the United States Judicial system has been replaced by the ?Legal System?, and Justice no longer applies. Need proof, just look at the Laws on the books. I will give you and example:

You come home and find someone raping your wife, you stop him and in the ensuing fight the rapist is killed, (Justice is served) Now the police arrive, they take the body away, and question you as to what happened, you explain to them the circumstances surrounding the rapist demise, what happens? They arrest you for manslaughter, and put you on trial. Now you are on trial before a panel of your peers, and they render a verdict of ?Justifiable homicide? you are elated and home you go.

In a few days or even weeks, you receive a notice to appear in civil court to answer charges of ?Wrongful death?. You are perplexed as to the validity of these charges, so you obtain the services of an Attorney. As he reviews the charges, he explains that under our ?legal system? (notice he does not say, Justice System) that they are alleging that you did not give the alleged rapist time to cease and desist his actions, and in your ensuing actions caused his death, there-by violating his and his families implied ?Civil rights?, in that his death precluded him of having the opportunity to defend himself in a trial by his peers.

The rapist widow has also filed for punitive and compensatory damages, alleging that with the rapist death, you have denied her, her implied right to companionship, and support, to her and their children.

The trial has now gone to jury deliberation, and upon their return, you are found guilty on all charges. While they cannot put you in jail, (remember you where found innocent) they can ruin you and your family monetarily, and they just did!

Is this ?Justice?, NO it is our legal system, and you have just been another victim of it.

Now you ask, how can this be, doesn?t the Constitution say that all laws must have a basis in the Constitution?

My answer to you is YES, they must? Now let me explain have they have circumvented this rule, and how easily it is/was accomplished.

1. First, they write a law that complies with the Constitutional requirements.

2. They write and additional law that to some extent complies with the Constitutional requirements, but does comply with the previously written law.

3. Now, they write a law that complies with the previous law that to some extent complies with the Constitution, and so on and so forth. So now, you have a pyramid of laws that have no real semblance of Constitutional requirements, but do in fact comply, all because the first law met the Constitutional requirements of Justice for all.
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